First Buzz: 2025 Topps Cosmic Chrome baseball cards

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

He must be stuck with a lot of 2025 product and no longer has any 2024 to pump and flip.

Or maybe, you are wrong like you always are. Once again, if I have 0 products for 2025 or 1,000 sealed cases I am sitting on. How the heck does me saying Nick Kurtz products will be better help me move those cases? Do you think the entire market shifts when someone makes a post on Blowout with an opinion?

Unlike your blanket garbage posts, I actually have logic behind mine. Name a pitcher that has come up hot, stayed hot, and continued to carry their rookie products for more than a couple of years. It doesn't happen. I love Skenes and think he is incredible. But pitchers can't keep momentum in this hobby. Too much stuff can go wrong. And even if everything goes right, he plays for the Pirates and only every 5th game.

Condescend all you want. We all know its what you do. Bump this in about two years and we can revisit just how wrong you were.

[dunquixote1]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Yeah, it doesn’t matter what anyone’s take on Skenes is, 2024 products will continue to have higher demand than 2025 products simply because the rookie card class is wider and deeper. Don’t forget about Ohtani Dodger rookies either.

It’s as simple as that.

Doesn’t matter if Kurtz gets hot or Wood gets large, 2024 boxes will still sell for more, ie be in more demand. Plus, they are already a lot scarcer.

I don’t disagree. Woods and Kurtz are both pretty damn good though in their own right.

That being said, I’m excited to rip some Cosmic. It’s one of my favorite products!

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Regardless of how Skenes vs. Kurtz plays out, 2024 has a much deeper rookie card class compared to 2025, with Elly, Caminero, Chourio, Merrill, PCA, Jasson, Yamamoto, Langford, Holliday and an Ohtani Dodger rookie card as a supporting cast.

2025 has Jacob Wilson, Woodie and Drake.

Skenes could be a Cy Young candidate every year that he pitches.

I get that all it takes is one player, but 2024 is a much safer bet.

Originally Posted by premium1981

Or maybe, you are wrong like you always are. Once again, if I have 0 products for 2025 or 1,000 sealed cases I am sitting on. How the heck does me saying Nick Kurtz products will be better help me move those cases? Do you think the entire market shifts when someone makes a post on Blowout with an opinion?

Unlike your blanket garbage posts, I actually have logic behind mine. Name a pitcher that has come up hot, stayed hot, and continued to carry their rookie products for more than a couple of years. It doesn't happen. I love Skenes and think he is incredible. But pitchers can't keep momentum in this hobby. Too much stuff can go wrong. And even if everything goes right, he plays for the Pirates and only every 5th game.

Condescend all you want. We all know its what you do. Bump this in about two years and we can revisit just how wrong you were.

Hey, you are always entitled to your opinion. I’m not the only one who disagrees with it. Please read above why 2024 will be in higher demand than 2025 boxes next year. I’m also not the only one who believes that.

If Skenes wins a second Cy Young next year, we will definitely have to revisit this thread.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

For what it's worth, when it comes to cards, batters are always more valued/desired than pitchers.

As dense as he is, he knows that. He just like to take the side of being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. And I truly think he stands alone these days as a poster who can't help but talk down to everyone with name calling and attempted belittlement comments. I guess it makes him feel good about himself or something.

Whatever. I stand by what I said and feel very confident about it. He can poke all he wants. Just makes it funnier when it plays out the way I said it would.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by dunquixote1

I don’t disagree. Woods and Kurtz are both pretty damn good though in their own right.

That being said, I’m excited to rip some Cosmic. It’s one of my favorite products!

Yeah, it’s no knock on Kurtz or Wood, they will both have 50 home run potential perennially for the next decade.

Cosmic is such a fun product, I hope it stays affordable for everyone who wants to open it.

Watching 2024 cosmic prices skyrocket is not good for anyone who simply wants to enjoy their hobby by opening boxes.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by premium1981

As dense as he is, he knows that. He just like to take the side of being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. And I truly think he stands alone these days as a poster who can't help but talk down to everyone with name calling and attempted belittlement comments. I guess it makes him feel good about himself or something.

Whatever. I stand by what I said and feel very confident about it. He can poke all he wants. Just makes it funnier when it plays out the way I said it would.

So what do you mean by “more in demand?” I would love for you to clarify.

- will 2025 cosmic chrome boxes be more expensive than 2024 cosmic chrome boxes at this time next year primarily because of Kurtz’s performance?

- will there be more volume transactions of 2025 baseball boxes than 2024 boxes on eBay/dealernet because of Kurtz’s performance?

- will 2024 boxes drop in price because Skenes is going to stink next year?

Eastbay, box and I all have different interpretations of your take - so what exactly is your take?

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

So what do you mean by “more in demand?” I would love for you to clarify.

- will 2025 cosmic chrome boxes be more expensive than 2024 cosmic chrome boxes at this time next year primarily because of Kurtz’s performance?

- will there be more volume transactions of 2025 baseball boxes than 2024 boxes on eBay/dealernet because of Kurtz’s performance?

- will 2024 boxes drop in price because Skenes is going to stink next year?

Eastbay, box and I all have different interpretations of your take - so what exactly is your take?

-Direct product to product doesn't equal out usually for a few years. Because 2024 is going to have the smaller print run and has a year head start through a hot market. But yes, all things being close to equal, in 2 years 2025 will be more expensive than 2024. That is a blind prediction though, because we don't know what the product this year looks like yet. And I hold exactly ZERO Kurtz cards.

-Yes

-I don't believe Skenes will ever "stink". But between potential arm injuries that seem to happen everyone or an average year, people will be moving on to the new exciting and flashy new guy. No pitcher can pitch like he has been pitching every year. It won't happen. Hitters are too good and you have to be too perfect as a pitcher. Everything has gone right for him minus run support. To expect everything to continue to be rosy forever more is not realistic. Hitters can have a bad season and still end up all over Sports Center with mammoth HR's. That is what drives product prices.

So go ahead and quote me save this. I'm not sure how much more specific I can get. 2025 with Nick Kurtz in 2+ years is going to be what people want more than 2024 with Paul Skenes. And I am a huge Skenes fan. I just know how the baseball card markets work.

PS. Just to add, so I don't have to make another post, whoever said Kurtz was a nobody (or whatever that comment was) coming into this season doesn't know baseball. He has never had an OPS under 1.000 and his .290 rookie season Batting Average is the lowest he has ever had. The dude is legit. It just takes some people a little longer to see it than others. And I hold exactly ZERO Kurtz cards.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by premium1981

-Direct product to product doesn't equal out usually for a few years. Because 2024 is going to have the smaller print run and has a year head start through a hot market. But yes, all things being close to equal, in 2 years 2025 will be more expensive than 2024. That is a blind prediction though, because we don't know what the product this year looks like yet. And I hold exactly ZERO Kurtz cards.

-Yes

-I don't believe Skenes will ever "stink". But between potential arm injuries that seem to happen everyone or an average year, people will be moving on to the new exciting and flashy new guy. No pitcher can pitch like he has been pitching every year. It won't happen. Hitters are too good and you have to be too perfect as a pitcher. Everything has gone right for him minus run support. To expect everything to continue to be rosy forever more is not realistic. Hitters can have a bad season and still end up all over Sports Center with mammoth HR's. That is what drives product prices.

So go ahead and quote me save this. I'm not sure how much more specific I can get. 2025 with Nick Kurtz in 2+ years is going to be what people want more than 2024 with Paul Skenes. And I am a huge Skenes fan. I just know how the baseball card markets work.

PS. Just to add, so I don't have to make another post, whoever said Kurtz was a nobody (or whatever that comment was) coming into this season doesn't know baseball. He has never had an OPS under 1.000 and his .290 rookie season Batting Average is the lowest he has ever had. The dude is legit. It just takes some people a little longer to see it than others. And I hold exactly ZERO Kurtz cards.

Thank you for clarifying.

Skenes is certainly the headliner for 2024 products right now, but even if he stalls, do you believe any of the other rookie logo players in 2024 have the potential to be MVP/CYA candidates in the next several years? At least, could any of those other players continue as hobby darlings to the point of maintaining 2024 box prices at least? 2025 boxes need to 2x-3x to catch up to 2024 prices, that’s not an easy task.

Also, what’s your take on Ohtani Dodger rookies and their effect on box prices?

[MotorboatJones]

Have I mentioned that I really enjoy Cosmic Chrome ? It’s a fun product.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by MotorboatJones

Have I mentioned that I really enjoy Cosmic Chrome ? It’s a fun product.

I apologize for all the members who have strayed from the main topic of this thread - there’s a lot of history amongst us.

I agree. It’s one of the funnest breaks in our hobby.

[eastbayak]

herm and prem, you guys are more alike than you think.

Both of you are logical, each making some good/great points. Both of you guys seem to like/enjoy TC Cosmic. Both of you are passionate about cards and the hobby. And, most important, both of you have an e-m-r in the first 4 letters of your usernames.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

herm and prem, you guys are more alike than you think.

Both of you are logical, each making some good/great points. Both of you guys seem to like/enjoy TC Cosmic. Both of you are passionate about cards and the hobby. And, most important, both of you have an e-m-r in the first 4 letters of your usernames.

And both post too much here

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Nick Kurtz over Skenes is just one of the most insane posts I think I've ever seen on here

In my Stratomatic league Kurtz will go ahead of Skenes. As will Caminero, Anthony, and Wood. Pitchers are just terrible long term investments. Always have been. Always will be.

For the rest of you, Skenes is about the 8th Once In A Lifeftime guy in my lifetime. He's a generational guy no doubt and the excitment is warranted. He is exciting, after all. That doesn't change the fact that his price is way too high right now.

[boxbuster7]

Skenes is doing statistical stuff that hasn't been done in 100+ years

He is stephen strasburg but better

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Skenes is doing statistical stuff that hasn't been done in 100+ years

I don't think anyone has said otherwise. He has been incredible.

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

He is stephen strasburg but better

We all know what happened to Strasburg though.

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Also, what’s your take on Ohtani Dodger rookies and their effect on box prices?

I'm more curious about this than anything else being discussed in this thread.

[Picklepete]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Skenes is doing statistical stuff that hasn't been done in 100+ years

He is stephen strasburg but better

100 yrs ?!
Dwight Gooden...
And people say he's a once in a generation I'm 68 and I can name at least 10 guys that they said that about so.. no
Damn good tho.

[eastbayak]

It'll be interesting to see where Skenes ends up on this list (career ERA leaders with a minimum of 1000 innings pitched) when all's said and done:

1. Ed Walsh+ (14) 1.816 2964.1 R
2. Addie Joss+ (9) 1.887 2327.0 R
3. Jim Devlin (5) 1.896 1405.0 R
4. Jack Pfiester (8) 2.024 1067.1 L
5. Smoky Joe Wood (14) 2.033 1434.1 R
6. Mordecai Brown+ (14) 2.057 3172.1 R
7. John Ward+ (17) 2.099 2469.2 R
8. Christy Mathewson+ (17) 2.133 4788.2 R
Al Spalding+ (8) 2.133 2886.1 R
10. Tommy Bond (10) 2.138 3628.2 R
11. Rube Waddell+ (13) 2.161 2961.1 L
12. Walter Johnson+ (21) 2.167 5914.1 R
13. Mariano Rivera+ (19) 2.209 1283.2 R
14. Jake Weimer (7) 2.231 1472.2 L
15. Orval Overall (7) 2.257 1535.1 R
16. Will White (10) 2.276 3542.2 R
17. Babe Ruth+ (22) 2.277 1221.1 L
18. Ed Reulbach (13) 2.284 2632.1 R
19. Jim Scott (9) 2.298 1892.0 R
20. Reb Russell (9) 2.334 1291.2

Obviously, some of these guys were relief pitchers so you can ignore those players (e.g., Rivera).

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by Picklepete

100 yrs ?!
Dwight Gooden...
And people say he's a once in a generation I'm 68 and I can name at least 10 guys that they said that about so.. no
Damn good tho.

Gooden is the only player you can reference besides guys like Smokey Joe and Rube Waddall

[dunquixote1]

https://ripped.topps.com/topps-cosmi...me-2025-guide/

Not sure if anyone noticed this but it appears there’s a second format for Cosmic Chrome this year. While Lunar Boxes were a type of “chase box” previously, it seems that this year they’re being sold as an additional box format. They don’t go into specifics on anything other than their existence but it sounds like it’s going to be even more expensive than the regular release as opposed to some sort of Mega Box type format. Topps is just relentless with this stuff at this point. If $380 Cosmic Chrome boxes weren’t enough they’re going to have an even more expensive format. JFC.

Edit: At least this is my interpretation. I’ve read it a couple of times and I felt my takeaway didn’t change.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by dunquixote1

https://ripped.topps.com/topps-cosmi...me-2025-guide/

Not sure if anyone noticed this but it appears there’s a second format for Cosmic Chrome this year. While Lunar Boxes were a type of “chase box” previously, it seems that this year they’re being sold as an additional box format. They don’t go into specifics on anything other than their existence but it sounds like it’s going to be even more expensive than the regular release as opposed to some sort of Mega Box type format. Topps is just relentless with this stuff at this point. If $380 Cosmic Chrome boxes weren’t enough they’re going to have an even more expensive format. JFC.

Edit: At least this is my interpretation. I’ve read it a couple of times and I felt my takeaway didn’t change.

Oh geez, another box format dedicated to yet several more parallels. They need to stop killing a good product.

I suppose topps always finds a way to screw up a good thing - you can always bank on that!

[bhundley]

Do we think it's a full-sized box with base and all or more of a Breaker's Delight?

[dunquixote1]

odds sheet posted

Also a guy on Reddit broke down the print runs. Worth checking out. It’s on r/baseballcards

Seems the Lunar Boxes are not a new format. They fall one per 58 cases according to his breakdown. So same as last year. Those packs won’t yield autos.

[anusinha]

The Lunar Box has no exclusives in it? Just better odds on most things but no autos?