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Old 12-15-2025, 09:46 PM   #851
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I imagine its because Topps made it seem like it was all on card in their promotional materials. Some Youtubers were even touting it as an advantage over Panini making that assumption
Definitely a fair point.
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Old 12-15-2025, 10:10 PM   #852
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Filth bomb has hit two of the 12 Cooper Flagg exclusives, just hit a Kon black /10 too.
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Old 12-15-2025, 10:22 PM   #853
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they'll put stickers in high end stuff and people will still buy it

the stuff they released during wemby rc year showed me they don't care about anything than extorting as much money as possible from people
But can you imagine them trying to promote sticker auto pulls on social media? It wouldn't make sense from a marketing perspective.
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Old 12-15-2025, 10:30 PM   #854
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Filth bomb has hit two of the 12 Cooper Flagg exclusives, just hit a Kon black /10 too.
what do you mean 12 flagg exlusives - aren't they /8?
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Old 12-15-2025, 10:36 PM   #855
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what do you mean 12 flagg exlusives - aren't they /8?

There’s tri color /8 and silver /12

They hit Flagg silvers 8/12 and 9/12


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Old 12-16-2025, 07:26 AM   #856
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Where do Cooper and Kon base settle in at?

Stupid odds aren't out yet.
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Old 12-16-2025, 09:08 AM   #857
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Where do Cooper and Kon base settle in at?

Stupid odds aren't out yet.
$80 and $10.

$40 and $5 after the Chinese counterfeit versions hit the market.
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Old 12-16-2025, 09:15 AM   #858
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I was curious as to what spots were selling for in a random team break for First Day Issue and boy that breaker was cleaning up assuming he got boxes at the floor sell out or close to it. He was doing 2 boxes at a time. Roughly first 10 spots went for about $150-$175 each and none of the big teams were hit. Spots then started hitting $225-$250 and were $350-$380 when he started doing stash or pass. He did 5 of those. At an average spot price of $150 that’s clearing $3000 per box before any fees, supplies, shipping, insurance. Insane.
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Old 12-16-2025, 09:49 AM   #859
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So are these 3 boxes 10 thousand dollars. Lol


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Old 12-16-2025, 09:56 AM   #860
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So are these 3 boxes 10 thousand dollars. Lol


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t3J3HM...cJCTwKAYcqIYzv
Easily $75K worth of cards there.


After grading everything.

And spending $85K to do so.

So solid win for that shill.
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Old 12-16-2025, 10:53 AM   #861
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$80 and $10.

$40 and $5 after the Chinese counterfeit versions hit the market.
I think I've been here for too long because I can't tell when people are being sarcastic anymore.

Do you think Cooper's Chrome is going to double Wemby's Prizm?
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Old 12-16-2025, 11:13 AM   #862
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So are these 3 boxes 10 thousand dollars. Lol


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t3J3HM...cJCTwKAYcqIYzv
No chance in hell I watch a packman video. Dude is a word salad. Never again. Unbearable.
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Old 12-16-2025, 11:16 AM   #863
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assuming he got boxes at the floor sell out or close to it.
Breakers didn't have to play the "dutch" game. They got offered them directly.
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Old 12-16-2025, 11:32 AM   #864
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$80 and $10.

$40 and $5 after the Chinese counterfeit versions hit the market.
Years down the road, they'll be the remembered as next generation Christian Laettner.

Current stats are on the same rookie year trajectory, which was pretty much his best year, unfortunately.
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Old 12-16-2025, 11:39 AM   #865
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Years down the road, they'll be the remembered as next generation Christian Laettner.

Current stats are on the same rookie year trajectory, which was pretty much his best year, unfortunately.
Huh?

Christian Laettner was 22 years old when drafted

Kon Knueppel was 19 years old when he was drafted

Cooper Flagg was 18 years old when he was drafted

Christian Laettner's rookie year (1992-93) with the Minnesota Timberwolves saw him average 12.8 points, 6.7 rebounds, and 2.6 assists

Kon Knueppel is having a standout rookie year for the Charlotte Hornets (2025-26 season), leading all rookies in scoring (around 18-19 PPG), 3-pointers made, and shooting efficiency (45+ FG%, 40+ 3PT%), averaging roughly 18.6 PTS, 5.4 REB, 3.5 AST.

Dallas Mavericks rookie Cooper Flagg is having a standout season, averaging around 18.4 PPG, 6.3 RPG, and 3.5 APG, leading rookie discussions and recently scoring a historic 42 points as the youngest player ever to reach 40+ points.
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Old 12-16-2025, 11:47 AM   #866
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Huh?

Christian Laettner was 22 years old when drafted

Kon Knueppel was 19 years old when he was drafted

Cooper Flagg was 18 years old when he was drafted

Christian Laettner's rookie year (1992-93) with the Minnesota Timberwolves saw him average 12.8 points, 6.7 rebounds, and 2.6 assists

Kon Knueppel is having a standout rookie year for the Charlotte Hornets (2025-26 season), leading all rookies in scoring (around 18-19 PPG), 3-pointers made, and shooting efficiency (45+ FG%, 40+ 3PT%), averaging roughly 18.6 PTS, 5.4 REB, 3.5 AST.

Dallas Mavericks rookie Cooper Flagg is having a standout season, averaging around 18.4 PPG, 6.3 RPG, and 3.5 APG, leading rookie discussions and recently scoring a historic 42 points as the youngest player ever to reach 40+ points.
Something has to be said about marketability. Kon is not a physical specimen and unfortunately isn’t gracing any covers of magazines anytime soon. Flagg is more marketable however I believe both never will have the lasting impact of generational players in the card market. They’re what’s hot right now but I don’t think we will be talking about them the way we do other players like ANT or Wemby down the road.
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Old 12-16-2025, 11:50 AM   #867
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Years down the road, they'll be the remembered as next generation Christian Laettner.

Current stats are on the same rookie year trajectory, which was pretty much his best year, unfortunately.
Comparing Flagg to Laettner is one of the worst takes I've ever read on this board, and that says a lot with the amount of trolls that have lived here.

Anyone who's ever watched basketball seriously understands why Flagg's athleticism and skill translate to the NBA way better than Laettner's ever did. And why Flagg's production will maintain and improve better than Laettner's following their respective rookie years as well.

Kon is also already a way better perimeter shooter than Laettner as a rookie, and better than Laettner ever was at any point in the NBA. Laettner attemped 0.5 3's as a rookie and converted 10% of them. Laettner was 5 inches taller than Knueppel and played in an era where 3-pointers weren't defended to the level they are today. And Laettner's career 3-pt percentage was 26.1% - he was objectively a bad 3-pt shooter. Kon is already elite with room to get better, or at least shoot close to 40% on even higher volume in the future.

Horrific take for you to say Flagg and Kon will be remembered like Laettner. Career-altering injuries are the only way either of the current rookies don't blow away Laettner's pro career.
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Something has to be said about marketability. Kon is not a physical specimen and unfortunately isn’t gracing any covers of magazines anytime soon. Flagg is more marketable however I believe both never will have the lasting impact of generational players in the card market. They’re what’s hot right now but I don’t think we will be talking about them the way we do other players like ANT or Wemby down the road.
I agree with most of this, especially the hype, which certainly has been earned by both to date. Agree they'll never approach Wemby status. A current star comp, where they eventually fall in, is a good debate... all theoterical and fun.
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Old 12-16-2025, 12:01 PM   #869
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I agree with most of this, especially the hype, which certainly has been earned by both to date. Agree they'll never approach Wemby status. A current star comp, where they eventually fall in, is a good debate... all theoterical and fun.
I hate to say this but they play like white guys especially Kon. Kon doesn’t have explosion and that’s what people pay to see in their guards/forwards. Simply no marketability.
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Old 12-16-2025, 12:06 PM   #870
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Huh?

Christian Laettner was 22 years old when drafted

Kon Knueppel was 19 years old when he was drafted

Cooper Flagg was 18 years old when he was drafted

Christian Laettner's rookie year (1992-93) with the Minnesota Timberwolves saw him average 12.8 points, 6.7 rebounds, and 2.6 assists

Kon Knueppel is having a standout rookie year for the Charlotte Hornets (2025-26 season), leading all rookies in scoring (around 18-19 PPG), 3-pointers made, and shooting efficiency (45+ FG%, 40+ 3PT%), averaging roughly 18.6 PTS, 5.4 REB, 3.5 AST.

Dallas Mavericks rookie Cooper Flagg is having a standout season, averaging around 18.4 PPG, 6.3 RPG, and 3.5 APG, leading rookie discussions and recently scoring a historic 42 points as the youngest player ever to reach 40+ points.
Different game and generation. Both would probably be around 15 ppg or less back then.
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Old 12-16-2025, 12:12 PM   #871
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No chance in hell I watch a packman video. Dude is a word salad. Never again. Unbearable.
I can summarize a bit, he crushed it. His first box had a Flagg prism parallel and Flagg refractor autograph.
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Old 12-16-2025, 12:15 PM   #872
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Old 12-16-2025, 12:16 PM   #873
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No chance in hell I watch a packman video. Dude is a word salad. Never again. Unbearable.
his videos are brutal
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Old 12-16-2025, 12:33 PM   #874
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his videos are brutal
Yea his endless self promo he repeats over and over makes his videos unwatchable. Have to skip the first 10 minutes of the video before he even opens the first pack and even then he just continues talking and self promoting instead of showing the cards.
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Old 12-16-2025, 12:36 PM   #875
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I hate to say this but they play like white guys especially Kon. Kon doesn’t have explosion and that’s what people pay to see in their guards/forwards. Simply no marketability.
It's okay to say it. The blind optimist would comp Bird and Doncic. The pessimist would comp Tyler Herro and Austin Reaves.

Flagg has the burst, youth, motor, and shooting ability to be special.

Kon is TBD in my opinion. He's already starting to pass up Ball as the leader on that very bad, but improving, team. If they give him the keys, he averages 25 PPG at some point, and they win, his value will hold. His 3 pt shooting, this early on, is on par with Steph. But yeah, he plays like a white guy and could use a bit more flash (purely for marketability like Steph has).
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