Official 2025 NFC North Thread

[oldgoldy97]

If Ben is known for stellar offensive performance, he’s also known for big time playoff bombs. One and done right around the corner.

[JWBlue]

Is the Lions Super Bowl window shut? I don't believe so but there is that talk.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

Is the Lions Super Bowl window shut? I don't believe so but there is that talk.

Short answer: no.

Longer answer: noooooooooooo.

They need to reallocate their spending priorities toward rebuilding the lines, better luck with players staying healthy, and a new OC. That's not insignificant, but also no reason to write them off (as so many haters are desperately trying to do).

[Boo]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

Is the Lions Super Bowl window shut? I don't believe so but there is that talk.

They didn’t make the SB so the window was never open.

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

Is the Lions Super Bowl window shut? I don't believe so but there is that talk.

Yes unfortunately I believe it is. 2023 was their best chance. Should have won it all. They had 49ers dead to rights and they had already defeated the chiefs that season. And chiefs were already on a downward trajectory. Now they will likely need to replace 2 starting safeties and very good ones at that. They will likely need at least 2 new offensive lineman. Goff has shown he is just average at QB when he isn't protected very well. They need to hit on a good OC. They will likely be moving on from Knuckles (Montgomery). They have no pass rush to speak of so they need to find an answer opposite of Hutchinson. There are just way to many holes to fill. The dream team they had assembled is aging and injured. They will need a minor rebuild essentially.

[coltsnsox07]

I saw this funny post about Jordan Love's cheap X-mas gift to his O-line

"Cam Ward is on a rookie deal and got each of his OL numbered chains, airline vouchers, LV bags and the Nintendo Switch 2.

Meanwhile, Jordan Love got paid $220M and bought each of his OL Nike Dunks…

Jordan Love is now recovering from a concussion."

[Grid]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Looking forward to the stars falling back into partial alignment with a hasty exit from the playoffs for the Bears. Then seeing how this juggernaut fares against a 1st place schedule next season, instead of their 4th place obstacle course this year.

A chef's kiss post from the guy who took his toys and went home when things got a little hot for him in here (and his team sucked) - iykyk.

Don't fly too close to the sun, Icarus!

Disgusting reply from you. Whatever shred of respect I had for you is long gone now. I took my toys and went home, due to you are others running your mouths on non-football insults towards me and my family.

What were you saying back then? I was being "delusional" by saying Ben Johnson was the driving force behind the Lions? And that he would do what he did there, here. And the Lions would fall apart without him.

Nothing was hot. Bears just landed a franchise changing HC. Grabbed the best Guard in the game in Joe Thuney. Took the best TE in the draft in Loveland. Bears were "Good" getting "Better" at the time. And now, Bears are "Best"

Exactly what I said would happen just did. Caleb is a star. Bears Kings of the North. Lions back to trash. I hope you enjoy that cellar you were so very excited to crawl out from for just 2 years LOL. 2 years out of the past 35!

Bears, top 5 in nearly every metric for an offense. No one can come close to the Bear D for takeaways. All in year 1 of the Johnson Regime. Now that he is free of that crying loser Campbell. The sky is the limit.

Don't hate! Just appreciate that you are witnessing greatness!

[Grid]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

Yes unfortunately I believe it is. 2023 was their best chance. Should have won it all. They had 49ers dead to rights and they had already defeated the chiefs that season. And chiefs were already on a downward trajectory. Now they will likely need to replace 2 starting safeties and very good ones at that. They will likely need at least 2 new offensive lineman. Goff has shown he is just average at QB when he isn't protected very well. They need to hit on a good OC. They will likely be moving on from Knuckles (Montgomery). They have no pass rush to speak of so they need to find an answer opposite of Hutchinson. There are just way to many holes to fill. The dream team they had assembled is aging and injured. They will need a minor rebuild essentially.

Exactly. Lions effective cap space for 2026 is at -$10,557,530. And that is with just 38 players under contract. Goff alone will cost $70MIL. St Brown $33MIL. Sewell $28MIL. McNeill $29MIL. Decker $22MIL ETC. And something like $200MIL pushed out into void years.

The Lions did what they had to do to chase a Super Bowl. But now they are cash strapped, saddled with some massive contracts. And rudderless when it comes to coaching.

They are still using Ben Johnson's playbook. That has been widely covered. Like Nagy using Andy Reid's when he got to Chicago. Or Callahan using Gruden's when he left for the Bucs. Always with short term success until the league sniffs that out. Which is why the Lions started out strong still. But the inevitable happened.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by coltsnsox07

I saw this funny post about Jordan Love's cheap X-mas gift to his O-line

"Cam Ward is on a rookie deal and got each of his OL numbered chains, airline vouchers, LV bags and the Nintendo Switch 2.

Meanwhile, Jordan Love got paid $220M and bought each of his OL Nike Dunks…

Jordan Love is now recovering from a concussion."

Thats sad. I saw Aaron Rodgers gift his Oline some cool dune buggy things. And he might not even make it to the playoffs or even see those guys next year.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by Grid

Disgusting reply from you. Whatever shred of respect I had for you is long gone now. I took my toys and went home, due to you are others running your mouths on non-football insults towards me and my family.

What were you saying back then? I was being "delusional" by saying Ben Johnson was the driving force behind the Lions? And that he would do what he did there, here. And the Lions would fall apart without him.

Nothing was hot. Bears just landed a franchise changing HC. Grabbed the best Guard in the game in Joe Thuney. Took the best TE in the draft in Loveland. Bears were "Good" getting "Better" at the time. And now, Bears are "Best"

Exactly what I said would happen just did. Caleb is a star. Bears Kings of the North. Lions back to trash. I hope you enjoy that cellar you were so very excited to crawl out from for just 2 years LOL. 2 years out of the past 35!

Bears, top 5 in nearly every metric for an offense. No one can come close to the Bear D for takeaways. All in year 1 of the Johnson Regime. Now that he is free of that crying loser Campbell. The sky is the limit.

Don't hate! Just appreciate that you are witnessing greatness!

Originally Posted by Grid

Exactly. Lions effective cap space for 2026 is at -$10,557,530. And that is with just 38 players under contract. Goff alone will cost $70MIL. St Brown $33MIL. Sewell $28MIL. McNeill $29MIL. Decker $22MIL ETC. And something like $200MIL pushed out into void years.

The Lions did what they had to do to chase a Super Bowl. But now they are cash strapped, saddled with some massive contracts. And rudderless when it comes to coaching.

They are still using Ben Johnson's playbook. That has been widely covered. Like Nagy using Andy Reid's when he got to Chicago. Or Callahan using Gruden's when he left for the Bucs. Always with short term success until the league sniffs that out. Which is why the Lions started out strong still. But the inevitable happened.

Preach it, Grid! Although I hope we're still in the "better" phase meaning we have a lot of room to grow (and we do, esp. on defense).

A lot of these guys can use someone else's systems, but it's one thing to know the playbook, and another to execute it. Also, Ben has a knack for calling the right plays at the right time and using other plays to set up calls later in the game.

Bummer of a game last night, but Bears showed they can hang with anyone. Caleb is gonna drive us down the field and at least give us an opportunity. No one bats 1.000.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Preach it, Grid! Although I hope we're still in the "better" phase meaning we have a lot of room to grow (and we do, esp. on defense).

A lot of these guys can use someone else's systems, but it's one thing to know the playbook, and another to execute it. Also, Ben has a knack for calling the right plays at the right time and using other plays to set up calls later in the game.

Bummer of a game last night, but Bears showed they can hang with anyone. Caleb is gonna drive us down the field and at least give us an opportunity. No one bats 1.000.

Room to grow for sure. There are only 3 players on this roster that Poles didn't bring in. Santos, Kmet and Jaylon. He has flipped the team into what he wants. And now he just has to get some players that BJ and DA need for their systems.

They are using mostly what was in place for Eberflus, and still winning. Once they get "their" guys on the squad. And everyone has a whole year under their belts in these new systems. The skys the limit.

And yeah, last they lost last night. But like you said, it proves the Bears can go toe to toe with anyone in the league. The below was posted at the end of the game. Like two heavyweight boxers going the distance.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by Grid

Room to grow for sure. There are only 3 players on this roster that Poles didn't bring in. Santos, Kmet and Jaylon. He has flipped the team into what he wants. And now he just has to get some players that BJ and DA need for their systems.

They are using mostly what was in place for Eberflus, and still winning. Once they get "their" guys on the squad. And everyone has a whole year under their belts in these new systems. The skys the limit.

And yeah, last they lost last night. But like you said, it proves the Bears can go toe to toe with anyone in the league. The below was posted at the end of the game. Like two heavyweight boxers going the distance.

Shanahan has been amazing this year with all those injuries. If the Niners win next week, he should be COTY.

Hopefully Poles is scouting some guys who can either get after the QB or stop the run.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Shanahan has been amazing this year with all those injuries. If the Niners win next week, he should be COTY.

Hopefully Poles is scouting some guys who can either get after the QB or stop the run.

I think the need for DLine help is a bit overrated. I mean, yes, for sure right now we need the help. Everyone is just banged up.

We had Booker out for a big chunk of the season. Dayo and Shemar Turner lost for the year right away with torn ACLs. So we have no one giving Sweat and Book a rest.

We just don't know what we have in our D, as so many guys have been hurt all year. Nearly every starter on D went down. With most of those injuries taking months to come back from.

Jaylon was out forever. We had practice squad guys starting at both LB positions when Edmunds and Edwards went out for weeks. The fact we got this far, with everyone broken, is a testament to our depth and coaching.

[oldgoldy97]

[hairysasquatch]

Front-runner Grid back to strut and hurl poo while blithely failing to mention the real reason why he ran and hid earlier this year. It's there for all with eyes to see. No one made it up - you told the story yourself. And for the record I was not the person casting aspersions on your family.

[Woodsy074]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Not sure how this meme (while funny) is relevant. The Bears weren’t favored to win and many expected them to get blown out after the big win against Green Bay. Unless you mean they are a good team then this ironically works the other way.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Front-runner Grid back to strut and hurl poo while blithely failing to mention the real reason why he ran and hid earlier this year. It's there for all with eyes to see. No one made it up - you told the story yourself. And for the record I was not the person casting aspersions on your family.

Post whatever you think "made me flee". You know what was being said about me, my mother and my wife when she was battling cancer. No, you did not say those exact things other were. But it was still said.

I told a personal story about how I have know the Ditka's for years. And I mentioned he was mean and kinda racist. And people love him, because he is crazy.

And you somehow spun that into me being a racist or something. Thats the only thing I can think of. I even sent you a PM on that, saying trying to call me a racist is beneath even you.

Is that why you think I was hiding? Weak. Like I said I let me team back up my boasting.

You should be happy the star of your thread is back. Me. Everyone wants to see what I have to say. This thread was as dead as the Lions playoff hopes without me being in here spreading my own brand of crazy.

You are welcome!

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by Grid

Post whatever you think "made me flee". You know what was being said about me, my mother and my wife when she was battling cancer. No, you did not say those exact things other were. But it was still said.

I told a personal story about how I have know the Ditka's for years. And I mentioned he was mean and kinda racist. And people love him, because he is crazy.

And you somehow spun that into me being a racist or something. Thats the only thing I can think of. I even sent you a PM on that, saying trying to call me a racist is beneath even you.

Is that why you think I was hiding? Weak. Like I said I let me team back up my boasting.

You should be happy the star of your thread is back. Me. Everyone wants to see what I have to say. This thread was as dead as the Lions playoff hopes without me being in here spreading my own brand of crazy.

You are welcome!

Thanks, that's all I needed. You were the one who vanished when questions were raised about your toleration or affinity for Ditka's attitudes. That spoke volumes to me. But others can draw their own conclusions.

Your narcissism is clinical.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Thanks, that's all I needed. You were the one who vanished when questions were raised about your toleration or affinity for Ditka's attitudes. That spoke volumes to me. But others can draw their own conclusions.

Your narcissism is clinical.

That was just the final straw for me. After all that was said, and you wanting to paint me as a racist. Because I said an 90 year old white man was kinda one. Why hang around for that?

You all made your little jokes about me, my team and my fandom. You all had your fun saying how the Lions were going to finally break through to the Super Bowl. How they didn't need BJ. You were even posting Campbell pressers for all of us to enjoy.

Then what happened? Where did all the Lions fans go? Off the bandwagon? You are only in here now, to start up with me. And I am cool with that!

I know how sad you are right now! Go ahead, and let me be your shoulder to Dan Campbell cry on.

I don't need to post all the receipts from you delusional Lions fans. Lions back in the trash where they belong. Bears back on top. You will have to live with that for at least another year now. And that must suck for you!

[Siberian13]

Hairy just waiting for the Bears to lose to throw it back in your face. The NFC north fans are wild.

[hairysasquatch]

There are rational Bears fans on here. Grid is not one of them. He may have significant psychological problems. We all wish him the best in getting his head right.

Down year for the Lions. It happens. Bears improved after and caught some breaks here and there. Still one game to play for seeding. Lions will go down swinging against Benedict Arnold Johnson.

A Bears fan will have the honor of creating the 2026 thread once the season is over.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Hairy just waiting for the Bears to lose to throw it back in your face. The NFC north fans are wild.

If the Bears lose to the Lions. Does that make the Lions NFC North Champs? Or does that crown still belong to the Bears? Asking for a friend.

Every time the Lions beat the Bears. Which isn't very often, as the Bears have dominated the all time record VS them. That is just the Lions Super Bowl. God knows, they will never sniff an actual one!

[Grid]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

There are rational Bears fans on here. Grid is not one of them. He may have significant psychological problems. We all wish him the best in getting his head right.

Down year for the Lions. It happens. Bears improved after and caught some breaks here and there. Still one game to play for seeding. Lions will go down swinging against Benedict Arnold Johnson.

A Bears fan will have the honor of creating the 2026 thread once the season is over.

I am going to be insufferable now. Bears lose to the Lions on Sunday, so what. Bears won the North! Bears lose to the Packers in the playoffs. So what, Bears won the North! Caleb Williams gets arrested at a gay bar in Boys Town. So what, Bears won the North!

I got my hat. Shut you all up. Nothing else matters.



Where is your little buddy Pewby? At least you are man enough to come back in here after all that chatter leading up to last place. I give you props for that!

[BostonNut]

This thread kicks so much azz every year!

I am so here for all you NFCN absolutely miserable, down in the dumps humans!

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Grid

I am going to be insufferable now. Bears lose to the Lions on Sunday, so what. Bears won the North! Bears lose to the Packers in the playoffs. So what, Bears won the North! Caleb Williams gets arrested at a gay bar in Boys Town. So what, Bears won the North!

I got my hat. Shut you all up. Nothing else matters.



Where is your little buddy Pewby? At least you are man enough to come back in here after all that chatter leading up to last place. I give you props for that!