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Old 01-28-2026, 11:45 AM   #176
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Glad Tea10 taught me how it works. Lemme tell you something where there’s smoke there’s fire. When there’s smoke a bunch of times there’s probably a fire somewhere.
Yeah again, didn't mean to come across as a bag. But at the same time, if you seriously think most MLB players or NFL players are clean? I stand by what I said.

JJ Watt has more HGH in him than Ronnie Coleman. Every team tries to get an edge.

Why do you suppose all the coaches cover their mouths with the play sheet or an object on the sidelines when we watch these games? Smoke? What? The same org/figureheads who just lobbied to keep BB out of the HoF were the same ones orchestrating most of this "smoke". Loser org hanging up divisional winner banners. The Colts.
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Old 01-28-2026, 11:48 AM   #177
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I assume its just some TO stuff. People just hated Owens, cause he was a POS. Ditto Billy B. No one liked him. He was arrogant. He was aloft. He didn’t care about you or the integrity of the game. And he made sure you knew that.

The cheating. The backlash. And honestly, the Brady factor. Brady showed he didn’t need BB to win. BB without Brady, was a horrible failure.

Snub for sure. But the voters have proved how petty they are. They undervalued special teams and wouldn’t let Hester in 1st ballot. And thats after they put him on the 100 Greatest players of all time list. The TO thing. And I am sure a bunch of others got punished for one reason or another.
The voters don't have integrity or objectivity and should be removed. It's a disgrace. It's that simple.

Anyone who voted "no" to the most obvious 1st ballot HoFer, the #1 coach all-time and at worst you can debate he's 2nd ever, well then you're not performing the duty and job correctly.

These are loser writers and journalists. They have zero integrity. You go beyond emotion and personal bias if you're voting for the HoF. They should be removed and banned from ever voting again on any All-pro, MVP, or HoF ballot. Pathetic.
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Old 01-28-2026, 11:54 AM   #178
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And apologies, don't mean to come off as a D-bag with that post. But it's just so insufferable to talk about this.

And it is so insufferable to talk about PEDs and cheating, etc. They're all on steroids. I'm not sure why people don't get this. Olympics? Baseball? NFL, especially? They're all (vast majority) on PEDs.

Is JJ Watt or Aaron Donald making the HoF? Do people seriously think they were juiced the gills? TJ Watt getting in? Von Miller? Is anyone really about to hold the 4 week PED suspension against him? Doubt it.
It’s ok some people are dicks. Don’t need to apologize. Punish who got caught….like Ortiz, Bonds and Arod.
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Old 01-28-2026, 11:58 AM   #179
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The voters don't have integrity or objectivity and should be removed. It's a disgrace. It's that simple.

Anyone who voted "no" to the most obvious 1st ballot HoFer, the #1 coach all-time and at worst you can debate he's 2nd ever, well then you're not performing the duty and job correctly.

These are loser writers and journalists. They have zero integrity. You go beyond emotion and personal bias if you're voting for the HoF. They should be removed and banned from ever voting again on any All-pro, MVP, or HoF ballot. Pathetic.
Agreed. This reminds me of when Herb Arkursh refused to vote for Rodgers in the MVP race because he was a "bad guy," aka, he didn't get the COVID shot. The NFL immediately stripped him of his vote. I hope we get a list of these 11 idiots. Can't believe Polian is one of them. He seems like a reasonable, thoughtful guy. How can someone hold a grudge for that long, at that age? Weird.
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Old 01-28-2026, 12:11 PM   #180
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Shedeur Sanders is a Pro Bowler

Bill Belichick is not a Hall of Famer


Great week for the NFL!!!!
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Old 01-28-2026, 12:31 PM   #181
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Shedeur Sanders is a Pro Bowler

Bill Belichick is not a Hall of Famer


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Browns already have plans to retire his jersey.
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Old 01-28-2026, 12:45 PM   #182
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Can't believe Polian is one of them. He seems like a reasonable, thoughtful guy. How can someone hold a grudge for that long, at that age? Weird.
Even when he got his way after his temper tantrum about the NFL being too physical.
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Now Polian is saying he doesn’t recall 100% if he voted for Belichick or not after vehemently denying he tried swaying voters.



Holy cow, someone give this man a hug.
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Old 01-28-2026, 01:27 PM   #184
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Time for a truth bomb. Have the courage to believe:

All the deflection about spygate is B.S. This is nothing but the result of a personal vendetta by a GM who lost to Bill Belichick in Super Bowl 25 with Buffalo, and then again in 2 AFCCG's in the early 00's with Indy.

The pathetic sanctimony of him (or anyone else) bringing up spygate is weaksauce. We are going on almost 20 years since spygate. Belichick is an HOFer twice over. You can take his post-spygate career and you'd still have an HOF HC.

Belichick is a jerk, and he was a jerk towards the Colts 25 years ago (not to mention towards the media over his entire career). That's why he was passed over. But make no mistake, this wasn't something done on principle. It was a personal vendetta on behalf of an influential voter.
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Seriously though, if Bill is not a 1st ballot H.O.F., then who is?



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Old 01-28-2026, 03:21 PM   #186
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No Eli.
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No Eli.
Doesn't surprise me. Brees will get the QB nomination this year. I have no issue with Eli being bumped down the line.
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I absolutely love all the Pats Nut Huggers showing outrage, and downplaying Spygate. As if thats was the only BB controversy.

Not saying he wasn't snubbed! He 100% was IMO. But lets not clutch any pearls over just "one" controversy.

Hell of a coach! But if the voters were being petty. It wasn't just one thing that tarnished the mans legacy.

The Jets Resignation (2000): Only one day after being named head coach of the New York Jets, Belichick resigned by writing "I resign as HC of the NYJ" on a napkin, subsequently moving to the New England Patriots, causing massive controversy.

EaglesGate (2005): Allegations that the Patriots stole the Philadelphia Eagles' playbook or recorded their practices prior to Super Bowl XXXIX.

Spygate (2007): The most significant scandal, where Belichick and the Patriots were caught videotaping New York Jets coaches' signals from an illegal location. Belichick was fined $500,000 (maximum allowed and largest for a coach in NFL history) and the team was fined $250,000 and lost a first-round draft pick.

Deflategate (2014-2015): Allegations that the Patriots manipulated game ball pressure during the AFC Championship game against the Colts. This resulted in a $1 million fine for the team, loss of two draft picks, and a four-game suspension for quarterback Tom Brady.
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This is way overstated. Not a Pats fan at all but you tell me the Hall of Fame coach and I will dig where they worked the angles to get an edge, including my guy Bill Walsh.

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I absolutely love all the Pats Nut Huggers showing outrage, and downplaying Spygate. As if thats was the only BB controversy.

Not saying he wasn't snubbed! He 100% was IMO. But lets not clutch any pearls over just "one" controversy.

Hell of a coach! But if the voters were being petty. It wasn't just one thing that tarnished the mans legacy.

The Jets Resignation (2000): Only one day after being named head coach of the New York Jets, Belichick resigned by writing "I resign as HC of the NYJ" on a napkin, subsequently moving to the New England Patriots, causing massive controversy.

EaglesGate (2005): Allegations that the Patriots stole the Philadelphia Eagles' playbook or recorded their practices prior to Super Bowl XXXIX.

Spygate (2007): The most significant scandal, where Belichick and the Patriots were caught videotaping New York Jets coaches' signals from an illegal location. Belichick was fined $500,000 (maximum allowed and largest for a coach in NFL history) and the team was fined $250,000 and lost a first-round draft pick.

Deflategate (2014-2015): Allegations that the Patriots manipulated game ball pressure during the AFC Championship game against the Colts. This resulted in a $1 million fine for the team, loss of two draft picks, and a four-game suspension for quarterback Tom Brady.
Not sure I buy into this...

No one cares about the Jets resignation

Spygate... OK, sure, that's a black eye. I seem to remember them winning three more after that, though.

Deflategate... Brady played BETTER after the halftime where the balls were flagged. Lots of QBs have mentioned working the balls a bit to get them how the QB liked them.

And Brady won another SB in TB, lending credence to the idea that maybe he was just good.
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I absolutely love all the Pats Nut Huggers showing outrage, and downplaying Spygate. As if thats was the only BB controversy.

Not saying he wasn't snubbed! He 100% was IMO. But lets not clutch any pearls over just "one" controversy.

Hell of a coach! But if the voters were being petty. It wasn't just one thing that tarnished the mans legacy.

The Jets Resignation (2000): Only one day after being named head coach of the New York Jets, Belichick resigned by writing "I resign as HC of the NYJ" on a napkin, subsequently moving to the New England Patriots, causing massive controversy.

EaglesGate (2005): Allegations that the Patriots stole the Philadelphia Eagles' playbook or recorded their practices prior to Super Bowl XXXIX.

Spygate (2007): The most significant scandal, where Belichick and the Patriots were caught videotaping New York Jets coaches' signals from an illegal location. Belichick was fined $500,000 (maximum allowed and largest for a coach in NFL history) and the team was fined $250,000 and lost a first-round draft pick.

Deflategate (2014-2015): Allegations that the Patriots manipulated game ball pressure during the AFC Championship game against the Colts. This resulted in a $1 million fine for the team, loss of two draft picks, and a four-game suspension for quarterback Tom Brady.
Grid, c'mon.
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This is way overstated. Not a Pats fan at all but you tell me the Hall of Fame coach and I will dig where they worked the angles to get an edge, including my guy Bill Walsh.

Not sure I buy into this...

No one cares about the Jets resignation

Spygate... OK, sure, that's a black eye. I seem to remember them winning three more after that, though.

Deflategate... Brady played BETTER after the halftime where the balls were flagged. Lots of QBs have mentioned working the balls a bit to get them how the QB liked them.

And Brady won another SB in TB, lending credence to the idea that maybe he was just good.
Please do! I'd love to see the list on Walsh. Not random things that he did that were crooked. I want the sort of stuff that made international headlines, like all of this BB stuff.

You can downplay the above. But can you refute what happened?

Spygate = Belichick was fined $500,000 (maximum allowed and largest for a coach in NFL history) and the team was fined $250,000 and lost a first-round draft pick.

Deflategate = $1 million fine for the team, loss of two draft picks, and a four-game suspension for quarterback Tom Brady.

Investigated, found guilty and punished. Again, it all happened. And its all known by voters. I am not making up random speculation. The man was controversial. But for good reason.
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I absolutely love all the Pats Nut Huggers showing outrage, and downplaying Spygate. As if thats was the only BB controversy.

Not saying he wasn't snubbed! He 100% was IMO. But lets not clutch any pearls over just "one" controversy.

Hell of a coach! But if the voters were being petty. It wasn't just one thing that tarnished the mans legacy.

The Jets Resignation (2000): Only one day after being named head coach of the New York Jets, Belichick resigned by writing "I resign as HC of the NYJ" on a napkin, subsequently moving to the New England Patriots, causing massive controversy.

EaglesGate (2005): Allegations that the Patriots stole the Philadelphia Eagles' playbook or recorded their practices prior to Super Bowl XXXIX.

Spygate (2007): The most significant scandal, where Belichick and the Patriots were caught videotaping New York Jets coaches' signals from an illegal location. Belichick was fined $500,000 (maximum allowed and largest for a coach in NFL history) and the team was fined $250,000 and lost a first-round draft pick.

Deflategate (2014-2015): Allegations that the Patriots manipulated game ball pressure during the AFC Championship game against the Colts. This resulted in a $1 million fine for the team, loss of two draft picks, and a four-game suspension for quarterback Tom Brady.


We found one of the voters.
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I absolutely love all the Pats Nut Huggers showing outrage, and downplaying Spygate. As if thats was the only BB controversy.

Not saying he wasn't snubbed! He 100% was IMO. But lets not clutch any pearls over just "one" controversy.

Hell of a coach! But if the voters were being petty. It wasn't just one thing that tarnished the mans legacy.

The Jets Resignation (2000): Only one day after being named head coach of the New York Jets, Belichick resigned by writing "I resign as HC of the NYJ" on a napkin, subsequently moving to the New England Patriots, causing massive controversy.

EaglesGate (2005): Allegations that the Patriots stole the Philadelphia Eagles' playbook or recorded their practices prior to Super Bowl XXXIX.

Spygate (2007): The most significant scandal, where Belichick and the Patriots were caught videotaping New York Jets coaches' signals from an illegal location. Belichick was fined $500,000 (maximum allowed and largest for a coach in NFL history) and the team was fined $250,000 and lost a first-round draft pick.

Deflategate (2014-2015): Allegations that the Patriots manipulated game ball pressure during the AFC Championship game against the Colts. This resulted in a $1 million fine for the team, loss of two draft picks, and a four-game suspension for quarterback Tom Brady.
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I absolutely love all the Pats Nut Huggers showing outrage, and downplaying Spygate. As if thats was the only BB controversy.

Not saying he wasn't snubbed! He 100% was IMO. But lets not clutch any pearls over just "one" controversy.

Hell of a coach! But if the voters were being petty. It wasn't just one thing that tarnished the mans legacy.

The Jets Resignation (2000): Only one day after being named head coach of the New York Jets, Belichick resigned by writing "I resign as HC of the NYJ" on a napkin, subsequently moving to the New England Patriots, causing massive controversy.

EaglesGate (2005): Allegations that the Patriots stole the Philadelphia Eagles' playbook or recorded their practices prior to Super Bowl XXXIX.

Spygate (2007): The most significant scandal, where Belichick and the Patriots were caught videotaping New York Jets coaches' signals from an illegal location. Belichick was fined $500,000 (maximum allowed and largest for a coach in NFL history) and the team was fined $250,000 and lost a first-round draft pick.

Deflategate (2014-2015): Allegations that the Patriots manipulated game ball pressure during the AFC Championship game against the Colts. This resulted in a $1 million fine for the team, loss of two draft picks, and a four-game suspension for quarterback Tom Brady.
You forgot Spygate 2.0 (or Spygate 2019).
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You forgot Spygate 2.0 (or Spygate 2019).
And another one.
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BB is a HOFer and he'll get in.

But how many coaches have made it on the 1st ballot? I'm not saying 2 wrongs = right but I don't think Walsh, Jimmy Johnson, or Gibbs made it.

Also, they made a weird change to the voting rules where coaches can get in earlier than in past years. And doesn't he NFL do this weird thing where they ask you to pick 3 out of 5 candidates? Maybe 11 voters thought "BB's a shoe-in so I'm gonna vote for some other guy that needs more love."

Again, BB's a HOFer and he'll get in. But the NFL has this flawed voting system where most ppl have to wait their turn for whatever reason.
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BB is a HOFer and he'll get in.

But how many coaches have made it on the 1st ballot? I'm not saying 2 wrongs = right but I don't think Walsh, Jimmy Johnson, or Gibbs made it.

Also, they made a weird change to the voting rules where coaches can get in earlier than in past years. And doesn't he NFL do this weird thing where they ask you to pick 3 out of 5 candidates? Maybe 11 voters thought "BB's a shoe-in so I'm gonna vote for some other guy that needs more love."

Again, BB's a HOFer and he'll get in. But the NFL has this flawed voting system where most ppl have to wait their turn for whatever reason.
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I absolutely love all the Pats Nut Huggers showing outrage, and downplaying Spygate. As if thats was the only BB controversy.

Not saying he wasn't snubbed! He 100% was IMO. But lets not clutch any pearls over just "one" controversy.

Hell of a coach! But if the voters were being petty. It wasn't just one thing that tarnished the mans legacy.

The Jets Resignation (2000): Only one day after being named head coach of the New York Jets, Belichick resigned by writing "I resign as HC of the NYJ" on a napkin, subsequently moving to the New England Patriots, causing massive controversy.

EaglesGate (2005): Allegations that the Patriots stole the Philadelphia Eagles' playbook or recorded their practices prior to Super Bowl XXXIX.

Spygate (2007): The most significant scandal, where Belichick and the Patriots were caught videotaping New York Jets coaches' signals from an illegal location. Belichick was fined $500,000 (maximum allowed and largest for a coach in NFL history) and the team was fined $250,000 and lost a first-round draft pick.

Deflategate (2014-2015): Allegations that the Patriots manipulated game ball pressure during the AFC Championship game against the Colts. This resulted in a $1 million fine for the team, loss of two draft picks, and a four-game suspension for quarterback Tom Brady.
Reaching. You literally just named spygate and deflategate and told us BB was a d--khead, no s-

We know. Does any coach or player owe anything to an org? Of course he burned a bridge with the Jets there but why does he owe them anything?

It's not about nuthugging. Are you serious? This would be like saying Patrick Mahomes shouldn't be a 1st ballot HoFer if he won another ring and racked up another 5-7 years of great stats.

Are we serious? I'd be batting for Mahomes too, as a Patriots fan. 1st ballot all day every day. Like Rodgers not wanting a covid shot said above, BB being a D-Bag and shrewd negotiator and overall miser, not always, doesn't have anything to do with being a HoF coach. He was 1st ballot if anyone ever was, it's a joke and you arguing against it is juvenile.
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And Brady won another SB in TB, lending credence to the idea that maybe he was just good.
In the interest of clarity:

Brady won a Super Bowl the year deflategate happened. He made 3 more Super Bowls, winning 2, in New England. Then won another one in Tampa.

IOW, he won more Super Bowls after deflategate than before.
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In the interest of clarity:

Brady won a Super Bowl the year deflategate happened. He made 3 more Super Bowls, winning 2, in New England. Then won another one in Tampa.

IOW, he won more Super Bowls after deflategate than before.
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