Skybox 2024 1992 MM Platinum

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by orion9578

Interesting...

Maybe I'll get my Doom up in December when the movie drops. I like the card...but I'm not THAT attached to it and I only paid $100~ for it, haha.

I also have a Lizard...but I'm guessing the market on that card will likely never be all that high

Based on the asking prices I’m seeing on eBay for the 9 that are on there…that Doom for $100 seems like a downright steal!

[orion9578]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Based on the asking prices I’m seeing on eBay for the 9 that are on there…that Doom for $100 seems like a downright steal!

Haha! Kaleidoscopes just sat on COMC for months... People had to run some pretty deep sales AND they still sat there in a lot of cases. Now, the top characters sold pretty quickly and fairly well...but yeah.

I'd have a bunch of them if I hadn't sold you several(which I'm fine with!) and hadn't just made a quick buck on a bunch via COMC... I never learn(to listen to myself)

[Kobefan]

Originally Posted by Watchmee

SILVER SURFER Kaleidoscope at $1.5k
https://www.ebay.com/itm/326987769163

(I was interested... but not that much)

That's way overpriced. I bought this not too long ago, so it should not be worth that much.

[sysco28]

That is mine. I really didn't know what to price it at. Recently all MM Platinum 92 cards have been increasing in value. I am willing to negotiate so please send me any offers here if you are interested. I also have a Hulk Kaleidoscope listed and many more that i am am looking to sell. If you are interested in a certain card, send me a message and I will see if i have it.

[PumpnDumpling]

Alotta hoopla over a dumb ask, you guys have been on ebay before right?

[orion9578]

Originally Posted by PumpnDumpling

Alotta hoopla over a dumb ask, you guys have been on ebay before right?

Never heard of it

I don't think the "hoopla" was over the price, which is high... for me it's over the fact that there are 9 total kaleidoscopes on eBay for sale and 0 on COMC

The seller is doing the right thing though. Very few up, 0 of the Surfer, so he's testing the market. If it sells high, except several more to pop up(not necessarily of Surfer...but anyone/everyone)

It's always interesting to watch these ePack achievement cards sink or swim. I said it a long long time ago on this thread...I think the kaleidoscopes swim well, long term

[MarsAttacks]

This is shipping back to me from recent PSA grading. Only one graded by PSA. Message me if interested and price in mind.

https://imgur.com/a/UgZ0h9q

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by PumpnDumpling

Alotta hoopla over a dumb ask, you guys have been on ebay before right?

Since 1998

As said in my post, it’s a high ask. However when youre the only one on the market, for a key card like that you basically just can’t find anywhere else, it’s not out of the realm to put it up for a price like that and just see what offers come in. If some Silver Surfer collector (which seems like theres many of out there) really wants one, you never know.
I think the following can all be true: Kobefan’s surfer Kaleidoscope was a good deal, the one on eBay is a high ask for that card but also can make sense to do as a seller sometimes, and orion’s Doom was a great buy at only $100.

Some of my reaction, like orion’s, was based on surprise at how little are on the market. When I was putting together my set just ~6 months ago, I would go down a long list of them on comc, common to mid characters like $30-80. Just surprised when I checked recently theres none. Maybe someone bought and hoarded what was left on there at once, I dunno.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by MarsAttacks

This is shipping back to me from recent PSA grading. Only one graded by PSA. Message me if interested and price in mind.

https://imgur.com/a/UgZ0h9q

Nice card! Man I’d be all over this for my set but I have it. There should be some decent interest in this out there though

[Vecchio1]

Originally Posted by MarsAttacks

This is shipping back to me from recent PSA grading. Only one graded by PSA. Message me if interested and price in mind.

https://imgur.com/a/UgZ0h9q

This, Archangel, and Iceman. Wish they had X-Men variant covers.

[Kobefan]

Enchantress pmg gold 1/1 was posted for sale for $3,500 on fb, wow, it's kinda good value in my opinion, but it's still lots of money. I'm tempted to buy, but I need to commit to my decision to buy only cards with no or little white borders, especially for cards that are this pricey.

[mma138]

any news on any more masterpiece reprint sets ?

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by mma138

any news on any more masterpiece reprint sets ?

Uhhhhh, I literally don't think that is possible anymore with the owner of all the Masterpieces IP not being able to produce Marvel cards. I would love to be wrong though.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

Enchantress pmg gold 1/1 was posted for sale for $3,500 on fb, wow, it's kinda good value in my opinion, but it's still lots of money. I'm tempted to buy, but I need to commit to my decision to buy only cards with no or little white borders, especially for cards that are this pricey.

Hmm thats a tricky one to value. What I like about the PMG golds is there’s just 100, and thats it. Not like GT’s which have vc versions. Ive never held a PMG gold in hand but I’ve heard they are stunning, which you can’t necessarily see from pics. Also Enchantress with the female bias, and pretty cool art.

But I have some questions in regards to value of 1/1s of lesser-collected characters…what exactly is the end collector of a card like this? As in not the person buying it to sell in a month or a year, but the end collector. Cant be a set collector as no one’s gonna get a pmg gold 1/1 set. I doubt there are that many if any Enchantress character collectors- can’t recall coming across a single one. That leaves…someone who just wants to own a PMG gold to own one I guess. Or someone making a rainbow of her card for some reason. If it was a GT Enchantress for $3,500 I would definitely say it’s overpriced. The gold PMG….I dunno. It’s probably not out of the question, but long term I just wonder what the end collection goal of such a card is.

Maybe as a set collector I just don’t get 1/1s.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by mma138

any news on any more masterpiece reprint sets ?

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

Uhhhhh, I literally don't think that is possible anymore with the owner of all the Masterpieces IP not being able to produce Marvel cards. I would love to be wrong though.

A 96MM set in chrome would be so epic. It would be a good thing for the hobby also as it would let people have sets of the beautiful Boris and Julie art without having to drop $3k for it.

On a personal basis though, 93MM is the set I would have liked to see the most in chrome after the 92 one. I just like 93MM so much. Picture colorful chrome parallels of Bill Sienkiewicz’s Wolverine or Julie’s Psylocke. Or of Jim Steranko’s triptych. If only UD had a little more time and could have squeezed those sets out.

I am not going to say it’s impossible another company like Topps could make something like this….it really depends where the rights to the 90s art lie, and I suspect it could be Marvel. This might leave the door open to a non-UD company doing something with the art. FPG for the Jusko Kickstarter project clearly used the 92MM art and even MM brand in their metal and bronze cards….UD had nothing to do with that….but I guess it could be argued technically those arent cards, they are slabs of metal. Idk…but IF Topps is somehow able to reprint the card sets, I would hope they don’t do 92 again- no need to with this great 92MM platinum set- hopefully it would be later 90s MM sets. It’s very doubtful any of this would happen though.

[mma138]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

A 96MM set in chrome would be so epic. It would be a good thing for the hobby also as it would let people have sets of the beautiful Boris and Julie art without having to drop $3k for it.

On a personal basis though, 93MM is the set I would have liked to see the most in chrome after the 92 one. I just like 93MM so much. Picture colorful chrome parallels of Bill Sienkiewicz’s Wolverine or Julie’s Psylocke. Or of Jim Steranko’s triptych. If only UD had a little more time and could have squeezed those sets out.

I am not going to say it’s impossible another company like Topps could make something like this….it really depends where the rights to the 90s art lie, and I suspect it could be Marvel. This might leave the door open to a non-UD company doing something with the art. FPG for the Jusko Kickstarter project clearly used the 92MM art and even MM brand in their metal and bronze cards….UD had nothing to do with that….but I guess it could be argued technically those arent cards, they are slabs of metal. Idk…but IF Topps is somehow able to reprint the card sets, I would hope they don’t do 92 again- no need to with this great 92MM platinum set- hopefully it would be later 90s MM sets. It’s very doubtful any of this would happen though.

i agree , 96 is damn good !

[finfangfan]

I can only imagine the board activity if a new set released by Topps used just one piece of previously used Jusko art in a new set. I guess that’s what it boils down to, can Topps even license that art? Does UD have any say on the use of older sets Marvel art or is that all under the control of Disney/Marvel? Or maybe some arrangement between Disney/Marvel and the artist could be reached without UD’s input?

[Kobefan]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Hmm thats a tricky one to value. What I like about the PMG golds is there’s just 100, and thats it. Not like GT’s which have vc versions. Ive never held a PMG gold in hand but I’ve heard they are stunning, which you can’t necessarily see from pics. Also Enchantress with the female bias, and pretty cool art.

But I have some questions in regards to value of 1/1s of lesser-collected characters…what exactly is the end collector of a card like this? As in not the person buying it to sell in a month or a year, but the end collector. Cant be a set collector as no one’s gonna get a pmg gold 1/1 set. I doubt there are that many if any Enchantress character collectors- can’t recall coming across a single one. That leaves…someone who just wants to own a PMG gold to own one I guess. Or someone making a rainbow of her card for some reason. If it was a GT Enchantress for $3,500 I would definitely say it’s overpriced. The gold PMG….I dunno. It’s probably not out of the question, but long term I just wonder what the end collection goal of such a card is.

Maybe as a set collector I just don’t get 1/1s.

Maybe I'm unconventional, I do like to build sets and character collect silver surfer, this is the only modern marvel set that I really enjoy, so I do also like to make pmg rainbows of characters with great art, and without whitening defects, without regards to completing a complete set (sure, if I have enough funds for the hobby, I do want to complete the pmg sets, but right now, I would much rather buy cards I think looks great than buy less aesthetically pleasing cards just to complete a set).

The reason I think that this price is good is because an enchantress pmg green was sold for, I believe, more than $1,000 and the green is 10 times more common than the gold 1/1. If this card didn't have the white defect, I would rather buy this card than use the same amount of money for a case of the masterpieces platinum.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

Maybe I'm unconventional, I do like to build sets and character collect silver surfer, this is the only modern marvel set that I really enjoy, so I do also like to make pmg rainbows of characters with great art, and without whitening defects, without regards to completing a complete set (sure, if I have enough funds for the hobby, I do want to complete the pmg sets, but right now, I would much rather buy cards I think looks great than buy less aesthetically pleasing cards just to complete a set).

The reason I think that this price is good is because an enchantress pmg green was sold for, I believe, more than $1,000 and the green is 10 times more common than the gold 1/1. If this card didn't have the white defect, I would rather buy this card than use the same amount of money for a case of the masterpieces platinum.

When you put it that way that you could have a gold pmg 1/1 or a case of 92MM platinum for the same price…it does sound like a solid deal. Why not get a guaranteed best-chase instead of gambling on a case that has a 1:32ish chance of hitting any 1/1.

The trap that comparing green pmgs /10 to gold pmgs 1/1 gets into is it’s a bit apples to oranges. For example the obvious first way to compare them is since golds are 10x rarer and a green sells for $1k then a gold should be like $10k. We see how this falls apart very quickly- I know of a Cap and Hulk green PMG that each sold for $5k. Using the above logic, their gold pmg should sell for a whopping $50k (!). I don’t think in reality it would be near that, a cap Golden treasures 1/1 sat on eBay last year for like a month at 10k and didnt have a buyer during that span. And it’s doubtful Enchantress would be $10k.

And the reason it doesn’t work is two-fold…when you get into high prices, especially $10k or over, the buyer pool is drastically reduced in marvel cards…wayyy drastically. I think for a lot of even bigger spenders, people cap purchases at maybe a few thousand, maybe $5k tops in that range on one card. There are very few in the whole hobby that put out like $10k+ for a card. So thats one reason. So while an Enchantress green for $1k is in the scope of many potential buyers, a $7-10k gold of her just isn’t. The other issue affecting things is green pmgs get the set collecting bias bump- in theory it *could* be completed as a set, although it would take a ton of money…but it could. And there are actually a very small number of people attempting this set out there who are probably desperately bidding against each other on each green they need. There is no set collecting with the golds in comparison. This is another reason why the gold prices compared to greens arent proportional with the rarity disparity. I’ve seen this “set collecting effect” at play a lot with other parallels, say the red vs blue pmgs. In theory blues should be double red prices due to being doubly as rare, but since there’s more people going for a red set than blues (it’s more feasible), we see reds sometimes go for closer to blues than you’d think.

But I agree the overall point still stands…a 1/1 for $3.5 doesn’t seem terrible for a /10 that sold for $1k. One other factor to consider here is green pmg on Enchantress is a color match. So that affects things also, but most green pmgs even commons now seem to be pushing $1k so it’s not just the color match I guess.

When there’s only 100 total of the gold pmgs in this hugely popular massive print run set…I can see the interest in having one…and for the price of a case, I guess I can see it. It just takes a certain collector in this hobby to drop that kind of money for an Enchantress card though.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

I can only imagine the board activity if a new set released by Topps used just one piece of previously used Jusko art in a new set. I guess that’s what it boils down to, can Topps even license that art? Does UD have any say on the use of older sets Marvel art or is that all under the control of Disney/Marvel? Or maybe some arrangement between Disney/Marvel and the artist could be reached without UD’s input?

Yep, my guess is Disney/Marvel controls it but I’m just speculating. We’ve seen Marvel comics directly use both Jusko and Hildebrandt masterpieces art for comic covers which UD had nothing to do with.

Disney/Marvel probably has a pool of marvel images the company rips from for cards using rehashed art and wouldnt be surprised if old card set images are included with this as well as comics. I know of one example of a recent Topps card directly using the art of a 1990 or 1991 impel marvel universe base card- can’t remember the exact card but I just remember seeing it and thinking “wow I guess they can use that art then”.

But in terms of that pool of rehashed art to use…here’s an example of UD doing that with 2017 Fleer Ultra Spider-Man- the metal/PMG insert set in that was just rehashed art, mostly from comics. But the Silver Sable is Julie’s from 1996 Marvel Masterpieces rehashed (flipped horizontally).



(So for the people saying this 92MM platinum set is the only example of masterpieces cards with PMGs….not quite!)
Yea that was UD so a moot point, but it’s probably just coming from some pool of art to use from Marvel. Could we see a similar one-off in a new Topps set with Jusko’s 92MM art (which would be comically instantly recognizable). Probably not out of the question. And maybe not even requiring to contact Jusko. If I recall for some of these recent sets that UD made reprinting Jusko’s art (MM XL and 92MM platinum), Jusko wasnt even aware of it until after the fact- so shows you what they can do with the rights to the art. I think UD did eventually help make that right with Jusko after there was (justified) backlash from the community.

[Kobefan]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Yep, my guess is Disney/Marvel controls it but I’m just speculating. We’ve seen Marvel comics directly use both Jusko and Hildebrandt masterpieces art for comic covers which UD had nothing to do with.

Disney/Marvel probably has a pool of marvel images the company rips from for cards using rehashed art and wouldnt be surprised if old card set images are included with this as well as comics. I know of one example of a recent Topps card directly using the art of a 1990 or 1991 impel marvel universe base card- can’t remember the exact card but I just remember seeing it and thinking “wow I guess they can use that art then”.

But in terms of that pool of rehashed art to use…here’s an example of UD doing that with 2017 Fleer Ultra Spider-Man- the metal/PMG insert set in that was just rehashed art, mostly from comics. But the Silver Sable is Julie’s from 1996 Marvel Masterpieces rehashed (flipped horizontally).



(So for the people saying this 92MM platinum set is the only example of masterpieces cards with PMGs….not quite )
Yea that was UD so a moot point, but it’s probably just coming from some pool of art to use from Marvel. Could we see a similar one-off in a new Topps set with Jusko’s 92MM art (which would be comically instantly recognizable). Probably not out of the question. And maybe not even requiring to contact Jusko. If I recall for some of these recent sets that UD made reprinting Jusko’s art (MM XL and 92MM platinum), Jusko wasnt even aware of it until after the fact- so shows you what they can do with the rights to the art. I think UD did eventually help make that right with Jusko after there was (justified) backlash from the community.

The assumption that Topps or future companies can continually reprint these sets fortifies my decision to collect only those pmgs without the whitening borders errors. The first set is usually more desireable, but because of the design flaws of some pmgs, I don't know if the desireability of those error cards in the 1st reprint set is still there, if companies decide to reprint the same sets over and over again.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

The assumption that Topps or future companies can continually reprint these sets fortifies my decision to collect only those pmgs without the whitening borders errors. The first set is usually more desireable, but because of the design flaws of some pmgs, I don't know if the desireability of those error cards in the 1st reprint set is still there, if companies decide to reprint the same sets over and over again.

Yea although even if Topps starts reprinting 92MM as a set (unlikely imo), at least there wouldnt be PMG rehashes of it. That I’m pretty sure UD has a right to since we only ever see PMGs in UD products. So can be pretty confident these are the only 92MM PMGs we’ll see, which does mean something.

There is something about a non-white border PMG….looks so dang nice. Still annoyed UD had to rush this and do that white border thing. That and the ridiculous Apoc/Warlock error (along with them missing from certain parallel sets) easily the most glaring oversights in this product.

[Fenian95]

My order finally popped and I couldn't be happier! CGC Gem Mint 10. So beautiful.

[DynaEtch]

Huge result. Man thats a beauty Fenian!

The gold variant covers have really grown on me….sadly didnt do much in the way of them because I was too focused on the base golds. Vc looks awesome in the gold

[DynaEtch]

Another set finished…the red prism vc /292s. 3 are graded, 97 raw…that kinda eats at my OCD but the slabs are PSA 10, CGC 10, and BGS 9.5 so not eager to crack them out. May just have to keep them as is.

Wasnt planning on going for this set originally, but what sparked it was randomly picking up the Spidey red vc for very cheap…figured with the best card done may as well start working on the set, and here we are.