Basketball Collecting Too Corrupt To Enjoy

[Jtoole]

Originally Posted by crackberry

added to all this is the fact that the card company's staff are stealing our redemption cards and making up BS to not fulfill their end of the role

i pulled a redemption card, redeemed it, presold it and now the card company said that their previous staff stole some of the cards including mine

it hurts when you have to sell your PC to raise $3k to pay back the buyer, who's more bummed about not getting the card.

this is not to mention other cards that are apparently stolen that i have with them.

If this is true (not implying it isn't) then I personally would flip out so bad. That would be beyond low for the card companies. Its sad to even think that something like this could happen.

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by crackberry

added to all this is the fact that the card company's staff are stealing our redemption cards and making up BS to not fulfill their end of the role

i pulled a redemption card, redeemed it, presold it and now the card company said that their previous staff stole some of the cards including mine

it hurts when you have to sell your PC to raise $3k to pay back the buyer, who's more bummed about not getting the card.

this is not to mention other cards that are apparently stolen that i have with them.

so let me get this straight...

- you pulled redemption card
- redeemed said card
- SOLD said card before you had it in hand

what??

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

so let me get this straight...

- you pulled redemption card
- redeemed said card
- SOLD said card before you had it in hand

what??

WAIT A SECOND... You forgot the part where the manufacturer admitted their employee stole cards as well ... One of the goofiest stories Ive heard on here.

[g1l1fvp]

Originally Posted by crackberry

added to all this is the fact that the card company's staff are stealing our redemption cards and making up BS to not fulfill their end of the role

i pulled a redemption card, redeemed it, presold it and now the card company said that their previous staff stole some of the cards including mine

it hurts when you have to sell your PC to raise $3k to pay back the buyer, who's more bummed about not getting the card.

this is not to mention other cards that are apparently stolen that i have with them.

I agree that the card company's story is BS, but lets be honest, its your own stupidity. Why would you even take the risk as a seller to sell a card that's not even in your hands? Especially if the redemption came from Panini...

[Kaegysaurus]

I'm getting rid of most of my stuff and taking a break from the hobby. People with really deep pockets end up with all the 1/1's and logomans. And then when you're after a set you have reluctant people who don't want to help you out. Funny thing is those are the same people that want all the help building their own sets time and time again. Isn't that some BS. It's not fun when all the rare Exquisite cards are controlled by two or three people who will never sell.

[crackberry]

presold card because it was live! i pulled 2 out of the possible 5. i got one of them only months before

i am more bummed about my PC cards with them, one to complete a rainbow and the fact that my friend will not complete his set because of poor QC

i am as pissed as you can imagine!

[crackberry]

Originally Posted by g1l1fvp

I agree that the card company's story is BS, but lets be honest, its your own stupidity. Why would you even take the risk as a seller to sell a card that's not even in your hands? Especially if the redemption came from Panini...

i am really stupid in lots of ways and in more ways than i'd like ... but how insecure are you to take it out of context and focus on my stupidity rather than the real big issue - dude i'd hate to be you

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by crackberry

presold card because it was live! i pulled 2 out of the possible 5. i got one of them only months before

i am more bummed about my PC cards with them, one to complete a rainbow and the fact that my friend will not complete his set because of poor QC

i am as pissed as you can imagine!

How old are you? i mean seriously...

the card was not "live" as you say..because you pulled a damn REDEMPTION FOR IT!!

yes..the cards might have been ready to send out once they were redeemed, but that still usually takes a few weeks at best.

The fact is, you still SOLD a card you didnt have in hand.

If your not smart enough to grasp how stupid that is...then "id hate you be you"

[Kingbudd]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

How old are you? i mean seriously...

the card was not "live" as you say..because you pulled a damn REDEMPTION FOR IT!!

yes..the cards might have been ready to send out once they were redeemed, but that still usually takes a few weeks at best.

The fact is, you still SOLD a card you didnt have in hand.

If your not smart enough to grasp how stupid that is...then "id hate you be you"

You do realize most people that flip cards do this and this is how they make a lot of money? Baseball collectors do the same thing for Topps Series 1 online promotion every year. I sold over $2,000 in these cards before they shipped in April. That's the nature of the industry and naive on your part to think otherwise.

[purejd86p]

Sounds like a lot of people are in this HOBBY for the wrong reasons.

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by Kingbudd

You do realize most people that flip cards do this and this is how they make a lot of money? Baseball collectors do the same thing for Topps Series 1 online promotion every year. I sold over $2,000 in these cards before they shipped in April. That's the nature of the industry and naive on your part to think otherwise.

wow..really..so your a "big time" seller on Ebay apparantly...

But cant realize the difference between the situation your describing, and the one he was in.

Yes..im fully aware of "pre-sells" for products that arent out yet. Im not a moron.

What he did is nothing like what you did with Topps Series 1. Especially if your talking about the "Diamond Codes" promotion...

In that promotion, your selling 'redemption cards"...even if you presell base sets, complete sets etc thats still totally different.

The product was already out, seeing as how he "pulled" a redemption...then he redeemed the card...and instead of waiting to receive it to sell it, he sold it without having it in hand.

If you cant see the difference..again..just wow

[Jtoole]

Originally Posted by purejd86p

Sounds like a lot of people are in this HOBBY for the wrong reasons.

+1 to that

[Devolution]

Originally Posted by Jtoole

+1 to that

Add me to that list too. I got into collecting to make some friends and pick up some cards of players I really enjoyed watching. I can't believe that re-sellers or "flippers" have now outnumbered collectors. It's a hobby, not a profession. I too am taking a break from this, at least for the summer.

[g1l1fvp]

Originally Posted by crackberry

i am really stupid in lots of ways and in more ways than i'd like ... but how insecure are you to take it out of context and focus on my stupidity rather than the real big issue - dude i'd hate to be you

dude no one wants to hear your sob story. and you don't need to get all emotional because someone points out your stupidity. quit b*tching.

[crackberry]

i'm old enough to know better but i'm not very clever... so i make stupid mistakes

Originally Posted by g1l1fvp

dude no one wants to hear your sob story. and you don't need to get all emotional because someone points out your stupidity. quit b*tching.

just putting the story out there in context with the thread champ. i'm not getting emotional about it at all - the thing is i already know i am stupid. sad that there are people a little bit worse off than me, hiding behind a keyboard they mistaken for an ivory tower

[g1l1fvp]

Originally Posted by Kingbudd

You do realize most people that flip cards do this and this is how they make a lot of money? Baseball collectors do the same thing for Topps Series 1 online promotion every year. I sold over $2,000 in these cards before they shipped in April. That's the nature of the industry and naive on your part to think otherwise.

is this baseball? im guessing this guys redemption is from panini and they have always been sketchy about redemptions. he should of waited for the card to be in hand. especially with what he said he has to pay back the person he sold the card to in the first place.

[WillC]

Originally Posted by suki24

Collecting was fun in the beginning when you didn't later find out it was full of shady people and transactions.

Ebay - constant hidden fees, shillers, and loopholes for scams
Paypal - sellers and buyers worst nightmares if something goes wrong
Trades - relies too much trust on complete online strangers
Forums - 99% crying(that's me)
LCS - never stock enough BBall stuff
BO store - constant price fixing and changes to take advantage of customers

*insert thumbs down*

That's a very 'glass-half-empty' way of looking at it.

Alternatively, this is my view of why collecting basketball cards is such a great hobby:

- The trustworthy collectors outweigh the scumbags by about one thousand to one.
- The incredible generosity of some members who help out other collectors.
- The fact that I can regularly grab a real bargain (on eBay, COMC or various message boards).
- The fact that I can interact with my buyers and sellers via blowoutcards message board and other forums, meanwhile avoiding having to pay eBay fees.
- The incredible reliability of the postal service (I've bought and sold thousands of cards and never had a problem).
- The fact I can buy cards from around the world due to the benefits of the internet.

[crackberry]

Originally Posted by g1l1fvp

is this baseball? im guessing this guys redemption is from panini and they have always been sketchy about redemptions. he should of waited for the card to be in hand. especially with what he said he has to pay back the person he sold the card to in the first place.

yeh paying back my friend is/was actually no big deal. it wasn't my money to start off anyway. we both thought that since i got my first replacement honoured, the next one (within 2 weeks) would be pretty easy to honour. but fast forward 6 months

my friend said he felt better sending me money to secure the card. reiterate - we were both pretty confident we'd get the card - it wasn't a matter of the player signing the card or the card being made, since it was live

[JOHNJOHNNY]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

wow..really..so your a "big time" seller on ebay apparantly...

But cant realize the difference between the situation your describing, and the one he was in.

Yes..im fully aware of "pre-sells" for products that arent out yet. Im not a moron.

What he did is nothing like what you did with topps series 1. Especially if your talking about the "diamond codes" promotion...

In that promotion, your selling 'redemption cards"...even if you presell base sets, complete sets etc thats still totally different.

The product was already out, seeing as how he "pulled" a redemption...then he redeemed the card...and instead of waiting to receive it to sell it, he sold it without having it in hand.

If you cant see the difference..again..just wow

why are you maiking a big deal about it. Apparently the buyer was aware of him not having it yet. If it is ok with the seller and buyer then it is none of your business.

He apparently got the money spent it and then when the company didn't come through, refunded the buyer his money. It's not like he was ripping off someone.

[g1l1fvp]

Originally Posted by crackberry

i'm old enough to know better but i'm not very clever... so i make stupid mistakes



just putting the story out there in context with the thread champ. i'm getting emotional about it at all - the thing is i already know i am stupid. sad that there are people a little bit worse off than me, hiding behind a keyboard they mistaken for an ivory tower

haha well at least your honest and nah the only "people" that are worse off "hiding behind a keyboard they mistaken for an ivory tower" is you. stop getting all butthurt.

[crackberry]

Originally Posted by g1l1fvp

haha well at least your honest and nah the only "people" that are worse off "hiding behind a keyboard they mistaken for an ivory tower" is you. stop getting all butthurt.

nice muscle flexing right there champ. you should really pick on someone with higher IQ like yourself though. i already admitted i had no chance

[g1l1fvp]

Originally Posted by crackberry

nice muscle flexing right there champ. you should really pick on someone with higher IQ like yourself though. i already admitted i had no chance

are you trying to be funny or are you really being serious?

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by JOHNJOHNNY

why are you maiking a big deal about it. Apparently the buyer was aware of him not having it yet. If it is ok with the seller and buyer then it is none of your business.

He apparently got the money spent it and then when the company didn't come through, refunded the buyer his money. It's not like he was ripping off someone.

See..i think you just made it very clear what was wrong with it to begin with...or maybe you still dont get it.

He got $$ for a card he didnt actually "have" to sell...then blew the $$...then goes and blames the company for not having good enough QC to catch the employees "stealing" said card.

I mean apparrantly it was a "friend"..but why does that matter? Shady selling practices are still shady selling practices.

Originally Posted by crackberry

added to all this is the fact that the card company's staff are stealing our redemption cards and making up BS to not fulfill their end of the role

i pulled a redemption card, redeemed it, presold it and now the card company said that their previous staff stole some of the cards including mine

it hurts when you have to sell your PC to raise $3k to pay back the buyer, who's more bummed about not getting the card.

this is not to mention other cards that are apparently stolen that i have with them.

Like i said..there he is "complaining"..well im sorry he said it hurts

like it was the companies fault he sold a card he didnt have, blew the $$, and now had to sell some of his cards to refund the buyer.

[crackberry]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

See..i think you just made it very clear what was wrong with it to begin with...or maybe you still dont get it.

He got $$ for a card he didnt actually "have" to sell...then blew the $$...then goes and blames the company for not having good enough QC to catch the employees "stealing" said card.

I mean apparrantly it was a "friend"..but why does that matter? Shady selling practices are still shady selling practices.



Like i said..there he is "complaining"..well im sorry he said it hurts

like it was the companies fault he sold a card he didnt have, blew the $$, and now had to sell some of his cards to refund the buyer.

your talents are also wasted on a card forum if i had these kind of brains i'd be making millions... one can only dream

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by crackberry

your talents are also wasted on a card forum if i had these kind of brains i'd be making millions... one can only dream

OH NO!! not the ever witty, never gets old, UR STOOPID comeback..whatever will i do with my life now