Ridiculous trying to reason with someone

wickedjoejr · 08-12-2009, 09:52 PM

I sold Atrain some 09 Topps Magic Cards. He sends me a PM today saying "all but one are damaged make it right or I can send them back for a refund". So I respond saying "send them back and I will give you a refund if I agree". My reason for that statement was because I have never had any cards get damaged in delivery and I have been scammed so now when I send cards I take pictures before they go out. So when he sends them back I can make sure that the cards werent switched with bad ones (magic is serial #ed). He then Replies telling me that I will send him a refund or he will ruin me on these sites. So I try to keep telling him to send them back and I will correct it, and the whole time Im contacting people trying to get the same cards and am gonna have to pay more for them and he keeps PM me telling me Im a POS and all this other negative crap. Look I have had words with people on here but have always held up my end of the deal, but if he refuses to send them back am I wrong for thinking that he is trying to scam me??
Input would be great!

IronMonkey415 · 08-12-2009, 09:53 PM

Who is he?

ronlabo · 08-12-2009, 09:55 PM

i have had several transactions with atrain and have never had a problem, he doesn't strike me as one who would make something up that wasn't true, just my input

wickedjoejr · 08-12-2009, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ronlabo

i have had several transactions with atrain and have never had a problem, he doesn't strike me as one who would make something up that wasn't true, just my input

I respect that but if it was you would you just not send them back and see what I do? or would you threaten me?

wickedjoejr · 08-12-2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by IronMonkey415

Who is he?

Atrain, its in the intro of the post.

peekaboo · 08-12-2009, 09:58 PM

atrain, is a solid person/trader, I have done several deals with him and never ever had a problem.

he has been and is a mod on a few sites. I pretty sure he is not about to ruin that kind of reputation. My input as well.

brett06 · 08-12-2009, 09:59 PM

he is on scf and a member here: atrain

wickedjoejr · 08-12-2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by peekaboo

atrain, is a solid person/trader, I have done several deals with him and never ever had a problem.

he has been and is a mod on a few sites. I pretty sure he is not about to ruin that kind of reputation. My input as well.

I am talking about this transaction, not the ones you have had with him. I can post the PMs if you would like

pskell02 · 08-12-2009, 10:05 PM

You are not in the wrong here. There is no way you should have to send him the money back without having the same cards you sent back in your hand.

248rayment4343 · 08-12-2009, 10:08 PM

no your right i would want them back to? or u could ask him to take a few pictures to compare with your pics just show u know what he is talking about

wickedjoejr · 08-12-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 248rayment4343

no your right i would want them back to? or u could ask him to take a few pictures to compare with your pics just show u know what he is talking about

Now he has filed a claim with paypal. But get this I sold the cards to him for $57 and he is asking paypal to give him a $27 refund and he keeps cards. Sorry seems like a scam to me.

brett06 · 08-12-2009, 10:18 PM

why isn't he here with his story???

ronlabo · 08-12-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by brett06

why isn't he here with his story???

not defending him but he probably isn't on-line right now

248rayment4343 · 08-12-2009, 10:21 PM

sorry i have never had a problem with him either but to each his own hopefully you guys can work something out!!!

wickedjoejr · 08-12-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ronlabo

not defending him but he probably isn't on-line right now

He is but he is on another site, sending me PMs for a transaction that happened here.

brett06 · 08-12-2009, 10:25 PM

he is on scf is that where he is online?

brett06 · 08-12-2009, 10:26 PM

yep, he is online on SCF, I can see the lil green light

DieHardCowboyFan33 · 08-12-2009, 10:27 PM

Atrain is a very well respected member and Ive made numerous transactions with him without ANY problems. You need to have some SOLID proof before calling him out like this(i.e. posts,threads,PMs, etc.)

Im behind Atrain 1000%

I doubt he would ruin his rep as a Member and a Mod over $30. Just my 2 cents

wickedjoejr · 08-12-2009, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DieHardCowboyFan33

Atrain is a very well respected member and Ive made numerous transactions with him without ANY problems. You need to have some SOLID proof before calling him out like this(i.e. posts,threads,PMs, etc.)

Im behind Atrain 1000%

I doubt he would ruin his rep as a Member and a Mod over $30. Just my 2 cents

No disrespect but you didnt read... for one the sell was $57 and he wants $30 less refunded and he refuses to send the cards back.

brett06 · 08-12-2009, 10:30 PM

Get him to respond here so we can get his side. Ask him if he could do so.

wickedjoejr · 08-12-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by wickedjoejr

No disrespect but you didnt read... for one the sell was $57 and he wants $30 less refunded and he refuses to send the cards back.

And also please remember this isnt about your great transactions with him but the one stated.

DieHardCowboyFan33 · 08-12-2009, 10:31 PM

I did read it and thats what Im saying. I cant see him losing his mind over wanting $30 in a refund + Cards

pskell02 · 08-12-2009, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DieHardCowboyFan33

I did read it and thats what Im saying. I cant see him losing his mind over wanting $30 in a refund + Cards

Would you blindly refund him without seeing the cards? If I were in this situation I would tell the guy to go f himself if he expected me to give him the cash back without me seeing/having the cards...I don't care how well respected he is.

37Jetson · 08-12-2009, 10:35 PM

I'll be honest with you and say that I am not giving you the benefit of the doubt on this one. I would like to hear Atrain's side of the story.

I knew I remembered you from somewhere....Oh it was this out of the galaxy obnoxious thread from May 10th. Enjoy! http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...d-auto-10.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by wickedjoejr

I sold Atrain some 09 Topps Magic Cards. He sends me a PM today saying "all but one are damaged make it right or I can send them back for a refund". So I respond saying "send them back and I will give you a refund if I agree". My reason for that statement was because I have never had any cards get damaged in delivery and I have been scammed so now when I send cards I take pictures before they go out. So when he sends them back I can make sure that the cards werent switched with bad ones (magic is serial #ed). He then Replies telling me that I will send him a refund or he will ruin me on these sites. So I try to keep telling him to send them back and I will correct it, and the whole time Im contacting people trying to get the same cards and am gonna have to pay more for them and he keeps PM me telling me Im a POS and all this other negative crap. Look I have had words with people on here but have always held up my end of the deal, but if he refuses to send them back am I wrong for thinking that he is trying to scam me??
Input would be great!

DieHardCowboyFan33 · 08-12-2009, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pskell02

Would you blindly refund him without seeing the cards? If I were in this situation I would tell the guy to go f himself if he expected me to give him the cash back without me seeing/having the cards...I don't care how well respected he is.

No I wouldnt and but, Atrain is not like that tho. We need to hear his side also

But Im behind Atrain NO DOUBT

08-12-2009, 09:52 PM	#1
wickedjoejr Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 427	Ridiculous trying to reason with someone I sold Atrain some 09 Topps Magic Cards. He sends me a PM today saying "all but one are damaged make it right or I can send them back for a refund". So I respond saying "send them back and I will give you a refund if I agree". My reason for that statement was because I have never had any cards get damaged in delivery and I have been scammed so now when I send cards I take pictures before they go out. So when he sends them back I can make sure that the cards werent switched with bad ones (magic is serial #ed). He then Replies telling me that I will send him a refund or he will ruin me on these sites. So I try to keep telling him to send them back and I will correct it, and the whole time Im contacting people trying to get the same cards and am gonna have to pay more for them and he keeps PM me telling me Im a POS and all this other negative crap. Look I have had words with people on here but have always held up my end of the deal, but if he refuses to send them back am I wrong for thinking that he is trying to scam me?? Input would be great!

08-12-2009, 09:58 PM	#6
peekaboo Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 13,779	atrain, is a solid person/trader, I have done several deals with him and never ever had a problem. he has been and is a mod on a few sites. I pretty sure he is not about to ruin that kind of reputation. My input as well. __________________ IF YOUR PACKAGE ARRIVES AND YOU SAY YOUR MISSING AN ITEM YOU WILL RETURN EVERYTHING BACK TO ME ON YOUR DIME. After 800+ deals most recently 2 DEALS AND BOTH PEOPLE SAY CARDS WERE MISSING.

08-12-2009, 09:59 PM	#7
brett06 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4,525 brett0622	he is on scf and a member here: atrain __________________ Yep

08-12-2009, 10:05 PM	#9
pskell02 Moderator Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: North Hollywood, CA Posts: 21,938 pskell02 pskell02	You are not in the wrong here. There is no way you should have to send him the money back without having the same cards you sent back in your hand. __________________ Click here to be notified when I post a new group break https://www.sportlots.com/dealers/?dealer=pskell02

08-12-2009, 10:18 PM	#12
brett06 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4,525 brett0622	why isn't he here with his story??? __________________ Yep

08-12-2009, 09:53 PM	#2
IronMonkey415 Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44,118 ironmonkeyfromsf	Who is he?

08-12-2009, 09:55 PM	#3
ronlabo Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 12,234 ronlabo	i have had several transactions with atrain and have never had a problem, he doesn't strike me as one who would make something up that wasn't true, just my input

08-12-2009, 10:08 PM	#10
248rayment4343 Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: michigan Posts: 6,370 248rayment4343	no your right i would want them back to? or u could ask him to take a few pictures to compare with your pics just show u know what he is talking about

08-12-2009, 10:21 PM	#14
248rayment4343 Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: michigan Posts: 6,370 248rayment4343	sorry i have never had a problem with him either but to each his own hopefully you guys can work something out!!!

08-12-2009, 10:25 PM	#16
brett06 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4,525 brett0622	he is on scf is that where he is online? __________________ Yep

08-12-2009, 10:26 PM	#17
brett06 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4,525 brett0622	yep, he is online on SCF, I can see the lil green light __________________ Yep

08-12-2009, 10:27 PM	#18
DieHardCowboyFan33 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 5,166	Atrain is a very well respected member and Ive made numerous transactions with him without ANY problems. You need to have some SOLID proof before calling him out like this(i.e. posts,threads,PMs, etc.) Im behind Atrain 1000% I doubt he would ruin his rep as a Member and a Mod over $30. Just my 2 cents __________________ Looking to buy your Giftcards & electronics (new,used, or broken)

08-12-2009, 10:30 PM	#20
brett06 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4,525 brett0622	Get him to respond here so we can get his side. Ask him if he could do so. __________________ Yep

08-12-2009, 10:31 PM	#22
DieHardCowboyFan33 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 5,166	I did read it and thats what Im saying. I cant see him losing his mind over wanting $30 in a refund + Cards __________________ Looking to buy your Giftcards & electronics (new,used, or broken)