Goudey baseball could be a sleeper

TimC · 08-15-2007, 03:28 PM

With autos of Dice-K, Michael Jordan, TIGER WOODS, Sidney Crosby, Emmitt Smith, Gordie Howe, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant, Lebron James, John Wooden, Ladainian Tomlinson, Mia Hamm, Peyton Manning, etc. Some fun ones to chase. Of course, this is from the sell sheet and we all know how UD can mislead.

I think the Tiger auto alone will help this one float if some really exist. Thoughts?

CaptainBOHICA · 08-15-2007, 03:47 PM

F UD cards. go with a sure thing, spend a few hundred bucks on an UD certified memorabilia auto.. at least you know you'll get the auto you want LOL.

but i understand the chase. I'm just as much of a gambler as the next degenerate, but buying upperdeck is almost like playing russian roulette, except after you're done ripping to find out you got shafted, you'll wish you won russian roulette!

Tim · 08-15-2007, 04:00 PM

After the Spectrum scam, I will wait on all UD BB products to see who is actually in the checklist.

CaptainBOHICA · 08-15-2007, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim

After the Spectrum scam, I will wait on all UD BB products to see who is actually in the checklist.

LOL F. thats right you got caught up in that just like i did... i still havent' recovered from that.

jebjeb1 · 08-15-2007, 04:03 PM

UD is a loser 9 out of 10 times. This may be the 1 in 10 but not worth the risk. They are trying to copy the success of the Topps retro releases and I have little confidence they will be able to deliver.

scottiff · 08-15-2007, 05:15 PM

Tim you are not the first person I have heard this opinion from. My hobby shop friend says hates UD but thinks this could be a good product. Provided UD sticks with the planned checklist. This is obviously UD's version of A & G so they need to get it right if they want to compete.

thekramers5 · 08-15-2007, 05:19 PM

Where is the information/detail on this? Kinda like Sportkings, these "mixed" products may be creating a whole new genre of collectors!

Rabbit · 08-15-2007, 07:00 PM

Anyone know what the price point is? If it's available at retail, I will probably get into it pretty heavy. I like retro sets, and I love the idea of cards other than baseball players.

For me, give me an Eiffel Tower over an ARod. I just don't care about any veteran baseball player at all. ARod has hundreds of cards every year. The Eiffel Tower has had what? Three?

Then again, since I sell most everything I pull, make it an ARod for me.

BAMBAM · 08-15-2007, 07:32 PM

I could see this being a big hit with old school set builders. If they have SPs ala Heritage and a decent auto checklist I could see people chasing these. Not sure its a sleeper anymore or if it ever really could be considered one because I think alot of people were/are planning on breaking cases.
IMO there are only 2 ways I can see this product tanking :

1.) Set is TOO EASY to build so there isn't much of a chase aspect and singles basiclly sell at common prices instead of SP prices.

2.) Old school, vintage style Topps set builders are just that....old school vintage style TOPPS set builders.

mdb92951 · 08-15-2007, 07:39 PM

with 1 auto & 1 G/U per box and around a $90/box price tag - you'll be lucky to get 1/4 of your money back unless you hit one of the big name autos.

BAMBAM · 08-16-2007, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mdb92951

with 1 auto & 1 G/U per box and around a $90/box price tag - you'll be lucky to get 1/4 of your money back unless you hit one of the big name autos.

I thought the same thing about A&G this year but it seems everyone who ripped cases and sold sets did great with that. Plus I believe the big hits in A&G (autos, rip cards, plates) were mostly 1 maybe 2 per case. Granted it is UD but since its a first for them, I would think they'd want to put out a vintage type product that can compete with the ones done by Topps. With an auto and relic per box and 40 Sps, #'d parallels, 1/1s and original buybacks it seems like there is enough there to be kind to those who break multiple cases.

I myself am passing as I have passed on A&G, Heritage etc. I haven't done any of the "old style" cases since Heritage in 04. I'm not big on listing 100 different auctions on fleabay and I don't build sets so its a waste of time for me. I like the high end stuff more plus I've decided to dip into breaking hoops boxes for the first time in quite awhile because of the rookie crop. Between Bowman Chrome, new 07 football, 07-08 hoops and hockey the funds are going to be streatched out worse than the waistband on a pair of 5 year old underwear.

phil · 08-16-2007, 02:21 PM

i just ordered a 20 box case of retail blind - no info. fingers crossed lol.

Tim · 08-16-2007, 02:24 PM

Phil (or anyone else who has an opinion),

I know you have done well with retail before. However, it seems to me that some products (bowman draft, a and ginter, heritage) have similar content to hobby and are strong, whereas others are just a shadow of their hobby counterparts (star wars is a good example). So my question is: how do you know in advance if retail will be strong or weak relative to the hobby counterpart? (I know with Goudey you said you are gambling, so this is more a general question.)

phil · 08-16-2007, 03:02 PM

i usually get retail sell sheets from the local wholesaler i deal with.

swjedi2000 · 08-16-2007, 08:06 PM

Is this product a tin or a box or what?

What exactly is suppose to in each box?

Thanks BB

newengland4me · 08-16-2007, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swjedi2000

Is this product a tin or a box or what?

What exactly is suppose to in each box?

Thanks BB

all the info is under
BLOWOUTS HOBBY TALK
Discuss Hobby Topics by Sport
New Presell Product Information

thus

2007 UPPER DECK GOUDEY BASEBALL
Configuration: 12 boxes/24 packs + 1 bonus pack/8 cards

CONTENT HIGHLIGHTS
* Each box contains an average of 1 Sports Royalty card - including autographed versions!
* Find 1 autograph and 1 memorabilia card per box on average!
* Pull original 1933 Goudey buyback cards!
* Contains specially marked bonus packs featuring rare inserts numbered to 15 or less!

PRODUCT BREAKDOWN
Signature & Memorabilia Cards
* 1933 Goudey Regular Card Memorabilia Parallel - 1 per box on average
* Goudey Graphs(autograph cards) - 1 per box on average
* The Immortals(memorabilia cards)
* 1941 Double Play Auto Parallel - #'d to 1
* 1934-36 Diamond Stars Auto Parallel - #'d to 1
* Goudey Sports Royalty Card Auto Parallel

Insert Cards
* 1941 Double Play - #'d to 15
* 1934-36 Diamond Stars - #'d to 15
* 1934-36 Diamond Stars Yellow Version - #'d to 5
* Goudey Sports Royalty Card - 1 per box on average

Regular Cards and Rookies
* 1933 Goudey Regular Cards(200)
* 1933 Goudey Regular Card Shortprints(40) - 1:6
* 1938 Goudey Heads Up(24) - 1:10
* 1938 Goudey Heads Up Writing - Cartoon Version(24) - 1:10

hope this helps
Peter newengland4me

swjedi2000 · 08-16-2007, 08:59 PM

Thanks - I remembered 2 seconds after the post.

bryun · 08-16-2007, 10:32 PM

I believe that the tiger & durant etc. autos are found in the sports royalty insert, and found only in the box loader packs in HOBBY boxes.

I could be wrong, but that is how I read it.

~Bryun

TimC · 08-17-2007, 01:12 AM

The big autos (the non-baseball autos as well as some baseball legends) are in the Sports Royalty Insert.

08-15-2007, 03:28 PM	#1
TimC Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 460	Goudey baseball could be a sleeper With autos of Dice-K, Michael Jordan, TIGER WOODS, Sidney Crosby, Emmitt Smith, Gordie Howe, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant, Lebron James, John Wooden, Ladainian Tomlinson, Mia Hamm, Peyton Manning, etc. Some fun ones to chase. Of course, this is from the sell sheet and we all know how UD can mislead. I think the Tiger auto alone will help this one float if some really exist. Thoughts?

08-15-2007, 07:32 PM	#9
BAMBAM Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Southern New Jersey Posts: 8,460	I could see this being a big hit with old school set builders. If they have SPs ala Heritage and a decent auto checklist I could see people chasing these. Not sure its a sleeper anymore or if it ever really could be considered one because I think alot of people were/are planning on breaking cases. IMO there are only 2 ways I can see this product tanking : 1.) Set is TOO EASY to build so there isn't much of a chase aspect and singles basiclly sell at common prices instead of SP prices. 2.) Old school, vintage style Topps set builders are just that....old school vintage style TOPPS set builders. __________________ IF YOU CAN'T TAKE AN HONEST REPLY THEN DON'T ASK. ALWAYS BUYING '97 LEGENDS AUTOS OR H.O.F. AUTO NEEDS

08-16-2007, 02:24 PM	#13
Tim Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,810	retail Phil (or anyone else who has an opinion), I know you have done well with retail before. However, it seems to me that some products (bowman draft, a and ginter, heritage) have similar content to hobby and are strong, whereas others are just a shadow of their hobby counterparts (star wars is a good example). So my question is: how do you know in advance if retail will be strong or weak relative to the hobby counterpart? (I know with Goudey you said you are gambling, so this is more a general question.)

08-15-2007, 03:47 PM	#2
CaptainBOHICA Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 9,814 captainbohica	F UD cards. go with a sure thing, spend a few hundred bucks on an UD certified memorabilia auto.. at least you know you'll get the auto you want LOL. but i understand the chase. I'm just as much of a gambler as the next degenerate, but buying upperdeck is almost like playing russian roulette, except after you're done ripping to find out you got shafted, you'll wish you won russian roulette!

08-15-2007, 04:00 PM	#3
Tim Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,810	After the Spectrum scam, I will wait on all UD BB products to see who is actually in the checklist.

08-15-2007, 04:03 PM	#5
jebjeb1 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 814 brianped brianped	UD is a loser 9 out of 10 times. This may be the 1 in 10 but not worth the risk. They are trying to copy the success of the Topps retro releases and I have little confidence they will be able to deliver.

08-15-2007, 05:15 PM	#6
scottiff Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 390	Tim you are not the first person I have heard this opinion from. My hobby shop friend says hates UD but thinks this could be a good product. Provided UD sticks with the planned checklist. This is obviously UD's version of A & G so they need to get it right if they want to compete.

08-15-2007, 05:19 PM	#7
thekramers5 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Frisco, TX Posts: 1,200 thekramers4	Where is the information/detail on this? Kinda like Sportkings, these "mixed" products may be creating a whole new genre of collectors!

08-15-2007, 07:00 PM	#8
Rabbit Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Packistan Posts: 384	Anyone know what the price point is? If it's available at retail, I will probably get into it pretty heavy. I like retro sets, and I love the idea of cards other than baseball players. For me, give me an Eiffel Tower over an ARod. I just don't care about any veteran baseball player at all. ARod has hundreds of cards every year. The Eiffel Tower has had what? Three? Then again, since I sell most everything I pull, make it an ARod for me.

08-15-2007, 07:39 PM	#10
mdb92951 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SW Pennsylvania Posts: 726 mdb92951	with 1 auto & 1 G/U per box and around a $90/box price tag - you'll be lucky to get 1/4 of your money back unless you hit one of the big name autos.

08-16-2007, 02:21 PM	#12
phil Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 8,795	i just ordered a 20 box case of retail blind - no info. fingers crossed lol.

08-16-2007, 03:02 PM	#14
phil Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 8,795	i usually get retail sell sheets from the local wholesaler i deal with.

08-16-2007, 08:06 PM	#15
swjedi2000 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,807 babtickets swjedi2000	Is this product a tin or a box or what? What exactly is suppose to in each box? Thanks BB

08-16-2007, 08:59 PM	#17
swjedi2000 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,807 babtickets swjedi2000	Thanks - I remembered 2 seconds after the post.

08-16-2007, 10:32 PM	#18
bryun Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Silverdale, WA Posts: 1,773 bwalde bryun	I believe that the tiger & durant etc. autos are found in the sports royalty insert, and found only in the box loader packs in HOBBY boxes. I could be wrong, but that is how I read it. ~Bryun

08-17-2007, 01:12 AM	#19
TimC Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 460	The big autos (the non-baseball autos as well as some baseball legends) are in the Sports Royalty Insert.