Aaron Rodgers at end of carreer will be.... - Page 2

Hardcore · 06-12-2013, 06:57 PM

Rodgers needs to show longevity of performing at a High Level.
A few more championships will help.
I think he will make the HOF... but will not be ever considered in the best ever conversation.
Good Luck to him ..hope he does make it to the HOF.
Brady is the best ever... to perform with the Talent he has had - ie making so many other players better ... and year after year be considered elite for so long...
50 TDs..
You need to talk to players in the game to understand the level at which he thinks the game.. Manning is right there with him...
We have been so privileged to have been able to watch this current era of Football... surely in the future... ie 2030ish.. this greatness will be forgotten and that era's legends will seem to be that much better...

I predict that a future HOF QB will come from this current year draft crop.. and it won't be the one who most expect... from the current perspective.
Who will revisit this thread to call me wrong...
can't wait for September....
I am 'ready for some football!!

FanboyOfNone · 06-12-2013, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by freethrowtommy

To those who argue "greatness" is based on Super Bowl rings...

Where do you put Marino?

How about Peyton Manning with only 1 ring?

Good question.

A SB QB is an important cog on an SB capable team. The greatest of all time doesn't necessarily win 1 ring if his team can't block, catch balls, or play defense.

john0421 · 06-12-2013, 07:09 PM

guys i live down the highway from lambeau. hes a good player for his time. how does he stach up against the rest of qb history?

davidsemo · 06-12-2013, 07:42 PM

Wins another ring and maintains his pretty ridiculous no ers, I'd say easy top 5.

For the sake f argument, as it stands now... Montana, elway, Unitas, Brady, manning

Heroicdeck · 06-12-2013, 07:45 PM

Top five. He will be in the conversation with Montana, Brady and young as the best in the game

antrodemus · 06-12-2013, 07:46 PM

He will be an insurance salesman. Oh wait...

TheBurg · 06-12-2013, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ChicoCheese

I think Aaron will make the Top 5 list, and here is why:

1) He will retire with the highest QB rating of all time. To those who say that it doesn't matter, I say that it does. That # is a representation of HOW WELL the QB passes.

2) He will retire with possibly the lowest INT% ever.

3) He will retire with AT LEAST 2 championships.

Those are the 3 things that I feel comfortable guaranteeing. He maybe not retire with 500+ TD passes, but he will be one of the most reliable, effective, and smart QBs to ever play the game.

I can half-way understand the Brady argument...but the whole spygate thing really spoils me on him. Also, since spygate broke they have yet to win a championship. Pretty strange...

I think the top 5, in no particular order, will include Favre, Montana, Brady (not by my vote...) , Elway, and Rodgers (again, when it is all said and done, and this point I would say no.)

You feel comfortable guaranteeing another SB?
No fan of any team should be comfortable making that statement. Do you watch football?

antrodemus · 06-12-2013, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBurg

You feel comfortable guaranteeing another SB?
No fan of any team should be comfortable making that statement. Do you watch football?

Try telling that to Colts fans.

tolrobb · 06-12-2013, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by VikingsAllDay

Wonder what he will do without jennings and driver.

He didn't play so well when Nelson and jennings where out

lmao....only a Vikings fan....

ChicoCheese · 06-13-2013, 01:28 AM

To TheBurg:

Yes, I do. The Packers are doing the right things in the organization to get back to Champion status. Granted I really don't follow any other teams too closely it just feels like the Packers are the team that has beef drafting and building correctly.

We have a killer run game now, and even we hadn't snagged Lacey and Franklin, Dujuan Harris was a BEAST for the last few games of the 2012 season. Our WR corps is still top notch even without Jennings, and our defense is getting healthy finally. Our pass rush should greatly improve with Perry and Worthy coming back, and the addition of D. Jones really helps. Casey Hayward has proved he is an up and coming shutdown corner and Sam Shields is solid. Also, I feel like our LBs are the best in the game.

Will this 5th Super Bowl victory come in the 2013 season? Possibly. However, by 2019 Rodgers WILL have a 2nd ring.

Oh, and I an obviously a Packers fan so yeah I am a tad biased.

TheBurg · 06-13-2013, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ChicoCheese

To TheBurg:

Yes, I do. The Packers are doing the right things in the organization to get back to Champion status. Granted I really don't follow any other teams too closely it just feels like the Packers are the team that has beef drafting and building correctly.

We have a killer run game now, and even we hadn't snagged Lacey and Franklin, Dujuan Harris was a BEAST for the last few games of the 2012 season. Our WR corps is still top notch even without Jennings, and our defense is getting healthy finally. Our pass rush should greatly improve with Perry and Worthy coming back, and the addition of D. Jones really helps. Casey Hayward has proved he is an up and coming shutdown corner and Sam Shields is solid. Also, I feel like our LBs are the best in the game.

Will this 5th Super Bowl victory come in the 2013 season? Possibly. However, by 2019 Rodgers WILL have a 2nd ring.

Oh, and I an obviously a Packers fan so yeah I am a tad biased.

I wasn't disagreeing about the Packers having a great team. They will be contenders for a long time.
In the wacky, always changing NFL, you can never feel confident about a ring. That's my opinion.

Yanke3z11 · 06-13-2013, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Heroicdeck

Top five. He will be in the conversation with Montana, Brady and young as the best in the game

Young? As in Steve Young... ?

Kingofkings1281 · 06-13-2013, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mattfastiggi

Sorry but Tom Brady is NOT one of the greatest of all times, he's a factor of Belichick's system.

But I agree with others...."great HOF QB"

Hahahahaha

tolrobb · 06-13-2013, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Yanke3z11

Young? As in Steve Young... ?

no, vince young duh.

palffy1633 · 06-13-2013, 06:31 PM

It's hard to answer this question.

Is Manning better than Brady? Is Montana better than Unitas? Unitas better than Graham?

The way I see it is there are 4 quarterback generations in football. The Graham era, Unitas era, Montana era and the Brady/Manning era. Is anyone of these 5 QB's better than the last, I don't think so. Different era, different game.

Within the Brady/Manning era I think we can throw Rodgers in here. At this time they are the top 3 QB's in football today. Brady still gets the nod with the Super Bowl rings and then Manning with the stats, but Rodgers is catching up. If you look at all three quarterbacks through their first 6 years, Rodgers is on par, if not better.

Peyton Manning, take away his Super Bowl ring and what is left, just the stats.

Tom Brady, take away the 2007 stats and Randy Moss what is left, just the rings.

Aaron Rodgers has 1 ring and the stats in his first 6 years. If he wins one more Super Bowl this turns into the Brady/Rodgers era and I'm a Peyton Manning fan.

Another why to look at it is, I have always believed that there are 2 types of QB's. The Gunslinger(throws the ball with reckless abandonment) and the Field General(will back pocket the stats to win the game).

Gunslinger type- Dan Marino, Brett Favre, Fran Tarkenton, Drew Brees(I'll get back to him) and even Unitas was a gunslinger.

Field General type- Joe Montana, Steve Young, Bart Starr and towards the end of his career John Elway.

But I think with Brady/Manning/Rodgers, we have a hybrid of the two styles. A quarterback that can have the stats and the wins(even though Brady is still ahead of the three right now with the multiple rings). Because if you look back on the history of the QB, wins and stats don't always go together. Drew Bledsoe has better stats than Montana, but who are you picking for your team.

Anyway I have gone on to long and won't get into the Drew Brees thing(I have him at #4 in this generation).

My top 5 right now are

1a) Otto Graham
1b) Johnny Unitas
1c) Joe Montana
1d) Tom Brady
1e) Peyton Manning

with none being better than the other because of the different eras and the evolution of the game itself.

If Aaron Rodgers keeps up the stats and wins another ring, then I would kick Manning out of the top 5 and insert Rodgers.

So yes I think he can be a top 5 quarterback.

crd1224 · 06-13-2013, 07:03 PM

[QUOTE=palffy1633;5089232]

Tom Brady, take away the 2007 stats and Randy Moss what is left, just the rings.

Absolutely not true. what about 2010? 36 td's to only 4 int's, 111 passer rating. over 5,000 yds in 2011. hes put up monster stats in almost every year since 2007.

palffy1633 · 06-13-2013, 07:51 PM

[QUOTE=crd1224;5089606]

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Originally Posted by palffy1633

Tom Brady, take away the 2007 stats and Randy Moss what is left, just the rings.

Absolutely not true. what about 2010? 36 td's to only 4 int's, 111 passer rating. over 5,000 yds in 2011. hes put up monster stats in almost every year since 2007.

Exactly, take away his better weapons; Moss(3 years), Hernandez(2011), Gronk(2011) and Welker(2007-2012), he has his rings.

All stats after 2007.

Believe me, Brady is top 5 all time. He makes receivers better(Brown, Patton, Branch etc.), but before 2007 it was Manning with the stats and it is not even close. Again Brady wins with whoever you put in with him, that's a fact, but his stats got far better with Moss, Gronk, Hernandez and Welker.

Rodgers is the same way. Driver put up two decent seasons with Rodgers, but was past his prime. Jennings a good receiver but I think Rodgers made him better, we will see in Minnesota. Nelson, I'm sorry to say this, but a poor man's Welker. Rodgers makes his receivers better just like Brady in the beginning of his career. Plus don't talk about "Cement Hands" Finley.

Could you image Rodgers and Moss? In Moss's prime!

freethrowtommy · 06-13-2013, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by palffy1633

Exactly, take away his better weapons; Moss(3 years), Hernandez(2011), Gronk(2011) and Welker(2007-2012), he has his rings.

All stats after 2007.

Believe me, Brady is top 5 all time. He makes receivers better(Brown, Patton, Branch etc.), but before 2007 it was Manning with the stats and it is not even close. Again Brady wins with whoever you put in with him, that's a fact, but his stats got far better with Moss, Gronk, Hernandez and Welker.

Rodgers is the same way. Driver put up two decent seasons with Rodgers, but was past his prime. Jennings a good receiver but I think Rodgers made him better, we will see in Minnesota. Nelson, I'm sorry to say this, but a poor man's Welker. Rodgers makes his receivers better just like Brady in the beginning of his career. Plus don't talk about "Cement Hands" Finley.

Could you image Rodgers and Moss? In Moss's prime!

You shut your dirty whore mouth! Jordy Nelson is a saint!

howethegreat · 06-13-2013, 07:57 PM

top 15, when his wrs become like the bears without marshall he'll be average at that point

palffy1633 · 06-13-2013, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by freethrowtommy

You shut your dirty whore mouth! Jordy Nelson is a saint!

I know, I felt bad typing it.

john0421 · 06-30-2013, 08:21 AM

rodgers can go sit in the bay of green bay.... and stay there.

yourmyboyblue2 · 06-30-2013, 09:24 AM

Top 5 all time
1. Otto Graham
2. Peyton Manning( no other QB has had his ability to read a defense & know the game the way he has!)
3. Dan Marino(he may not have a ring, which is no fault of his! He had no receivers, RB's, & no D...if your going off rings, then Trent Dilfer & Eli are better than Marino)
4. As much as I hate him, and hate to say it, it's hard to argue with this QB(Brett Favre)
5. Joe Montana-Yes he had Rice, and it's hard to say who made who...you can say he didnt play well in KC, but fact is, he was still a top 10 QB...yes his numbers slipped with no team around him, and with that hideous elbow, but he was a force to be reckoned with

Johnny Unitas? Reminds me of Tim Tebow...it was never about the team or the game. It wa about his mouth and looking pretty...based on stats alone(78.2 QB rating, 290/253 TD/INT, 54% completions, one of the most sacked QB's in history of sack era) if it wasnt or his personality & the pretty boy mentality he brought to football, he wouldn't even be a top 20 QB

nickha2 · 06-30-2013, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by howethegreat

top 15, when his wrs become like the bears without marshall he'll be average at that point

This is too funny, thank you.

ChicoCheese · 06-30-2013, 02:32 PM

Everyone says that Montana didn't play well in KC. He took them to the AFC championship game.

ubernoob · 06-30-2013, 03:24 PM

Jordy Nelson is a poor man's Wes Welker? Why, because he's a white WR and you can't think of another logical comparison to make?

Jordy Nelson, who is 6'3'' ~215 and ran his 40 in 4.5 seconds plays the same as Wes Welker, who is 5'9'' ~185 and ran his 40 in 4.65 seconds... God bless the internet, where everyone thinks they know what they are talking about.

Just FYI, Jordy Nelson and Wes Welker play nothing alike (aside from their skin color out on the field.)

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06-12-2013, 07:42 PM	#29
davidsemo Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Wisco Posts: 3,878 semo710	Wins another ring and maintains his pretty ridiculous no ers, I'd say easy top 5. For the sake f argument, as it stands now... Montana, elway, Unitas, Brady, manning __________________ High End: http://s1078.photobucket.com/albums/w492/semo710/FT%20All%20Sports/

06-13-2013, 01:28 AM	#35
ChicoCheese Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Chico, Ca. Posts: 5,318	To TheBurg: Yes, I do. The Packers are doing the right things in the organization to get back to Champion status. Granted I really don't follow any other teams too closely it just feels like the Packers are the team that has beef drafting and building correctly. We have a killer run game now, and even we hadn't snagged Lacey and Franklin, Dujuan Harris was a BEAST for the last few games of the 2012 season. Our WR corps is still top notch even without Jennings, and our defense is getting healthy finally. Our pass rush should greatly improve with Perry and Worthy coming back, and the addition of D. Jones really helps. Casey Hayward has proved he is an up and coming shutdown corner and Sam Shields is solid. Also, I feel like our LBs are the best in the game. Will this 5th Super Bowl victory come in the 2013 season? Possibly. However, by 2019 Rodgers WILL have a 2nd ring. Oh, and I an obviously a Packers fan so yeah I am a tad biased. __________________ Green Bay Packers fan since 1994. Always looking for Aaron Rodgers,Eddie Lacy, Clay Matthews, Jordy Nelson, and Favre (Packers only.)

06-13-2013, 07:03 PM	#41
crd1224 Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,903	[QUOTE=palffy1633;5089232] Tom Brady, take away the 2007 stats and Randy Moss what is left, just the rings. Absolutely not true. what about 2010? 36 td's to only 4 int's, 111 passer rating. over 5,000 yds in 2011. hes put up monster stats in almost every year since 2007. __________________ Bucket-http://s1155.photobucket.com/albums/p544/crd1224/

06-13-2013, 07:57 PM	#44
howethegreat Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 2,415	top 15, when his wrs become like the bears without marshall he'll be average at that point __________________ If you say its cheaper on ebay then why didn't you purchase it?

06-12-2013, 06:57 PM	#26
Hardcore Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Canada Posts: 627	Rodgers needs to show longevity of performing at a High Level. A few more championships will help. I think he will make the HOF... but will not be ever considered in the best ever conversation. Good Luck to him ..hope he does make it to the HOF. Brady is the best ever... to perform with the Talent he has had - ie making so many other players better ... and year after year be considered elite for so long... 50 TDs.. You need to talk to players in the game to understand the level at which he thinks the game.. Manning is right there with him... We have been so privileged to have been able to watch this current era of Football... surely in the future... ie 2030ish.. this greatness will be forgotten and that era's legends will seem to be that much better... I predict that a future HOF QB will come from this current year draft crop.. and it won't be the one who most expect... from the current perspective. Who will revisit this thread to call me wrong... can't wait for September.... I am 'ready for some football!!

06-12-2013, 07:09 PM	#28
john0421 Banned Join Date: May 2013 Location: wisconsin Posts: 288	guys i live down the highway from lambeau. hes a good player for his time. how does he stach up against the rest of qb history?

06-12-2013, 07:45 PM	#30
Heroicdeck Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Rogers, Arkansas Posts: 4,352 Heroicdeck	Top five. He will be in the conversation with Montana, Brady and young as the best in the game

06-12-2013, 07:46 PM	#31
antrodemus Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Springfield, VA Posts: 969 antrodemus	He will be an insurance salesman. Oh wait...

06-13-2013, 06:31 PM	#40
palffy1633 Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Sarasota, Fl. Posts: 54 detfedorov91	It's hard to answer this question. Is Manning better than Brady? Is Montana better than Unitas? Unitas better than Graham? The way I see it is there are 4 quarterback generations in football. The Graham era, Unitas era, Montana era and the Brady/Manning era. Is anyone of these 5 QB's better than the last, I don't think so. Different era, different game. Within the Brady/Manning era I think we can throw Rodgers in here. At this time they are the top 3 QB's in football today. Brady still gets the nod with the Super Bowl rings and then Manning with the stats, but Rodgers is catching up. If you look at all three quarterbacks through their first 6 years, Rodgers is on par, if not better. Peyton Manning, take away his Super Bowl ring and what is left, just the stats. Tom Brady, take away the 2007 stats and Randy Moss what is left, just the rings. Aaron Rodgers has 1 ring and the stats in his first 6 years. If he wins one more Super Bowl this turns into the Brady/Rodgers era and I'm a Peyton Manning fan. Another why to look at it is, I have always believed that there are 2 types of QB's. The Gunslinger(throws the ball with reckless abandonment) and the Field General(will back pocket the stats to win the game). Gunslinger type- Dan Marino, Brett Favre, Fran Tarkenton, Drew Brees(I'll get back to him) and even Unitas was a gunslinger. Field General type- Joe Montana, Steve Young, Bart Starr and towards the end of his career John Elway. But I think with Brady/Manning/Rodgers, we have a hybrid of the two styles. A quarterback that can have the stats and the wins(even though Brady is still ahead of the three right now with the multiple rings). Because if you look back on the history of the QB, wins and stats don't always go together. Drew Bledsoe has better stats than Montana, but who are you picking for your team. Anyway I have gone on to long and won't get into the Drew Brees thing(I have him at #4 in this generation). My top 5 right now are 1a) Otto Graham 1b) Johnny Unitas 1c) Joe Montana 1d) Tom Brady 1e) Peyton Manning with none being better than the other because of the different eras and the evolution of the game itself. If Aaron Rodgers keeps up the stats and wins another ring, then I would kick Manning out of the top 5 and insert Rodgers. So yes I think he can be a top 5 quarterback.

06-30-2013, 08:21 AM	#46
john0421 Banned Join Date: May 2013 Location: wisconsin Posts: 288	rodgers can go sit in the bay of green bay.... and stay there.

06-30-2013, 09:24 AM	#47
yourmyboyblue2 Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,191	Top 5 all time 1. Otto Graham 2. Peyton Manning( no other QB has had his ability to read a defense & know the game the way he has!) 3. Dan Marino(he may not have a ring, which is no fault of his! He had no receivers, RB's, & no D...if your going off rings, then Trent Dilfer & Eli are better than Marino) 4. As much as I hate him, and hate to say it, it's hard to argue with this QB(Brett Favre) 5. Joe Montana-Yes he had Rice, and it's hard to say who made who...you can say he didnt play well in KC, but fact is, he was still a top 10 QB...yes his numbers slipped with no team around him, and with that hideous elbow, but he was a force to be reckoned with Johnny Unitas? Reminds me of Tim Tebow...it was never about the team or the game. It wa about his mouth and looking pretty...based on stats alone(78.2 QB rating, 290/253 TD/INT, 54% completions, one of the most sacked QB's in history of sack era) if it wasnt or his personality & the pretty boy mentality he brought to football, he wouldn't even be a top 20 QB

06-30-2013, 02:32 PM	#49
ChicoCheese Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Chico, Ca. Posts: 5,318	Everyone says that Montana didn't play well in KC. He took them to the AFC championship game. __________________ Green Bay Packers fan since 1994. Always looking for Aaron Rodgers,Eddie Lacy, Clay Matthews, Jordy Nelson, and Favre (Packers only.)

06-30-2013, 03:24 PM	#50
ubernoob Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: California Posts: 31	Jordy Nelson is a poor man's Wes Welker? Why, because he's a white WR and you can't think of another logical comparison to make? Jordy Nelson, who is 6'3'' ~215 and ran his 40 in 4.5 seconds plays the same as Wes Welker, who is 5'9'' ~185 and ran his 40 in 4.65 seconds... God bless the internet, where everyone thinks they know what they are talking about. Just FYI, Jordy Nelson and Wes Welker play nothing alike (aside from their skin color out on the field.)