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[goldglove2144]

Originally Posted by WCTYSON

May God have mercy on your sole.

As a matter of fact, it is about time for a new pair of shoes!

[IronMonkey415]

In your face mintyfrisk..

[IronMonkey415]

Good golly miss molly!!!
He is here with us!!!!

[pcbuck]

If I were to block only one in this transaction, it would be the buyer and definitely not the seller. The seller stated near mint or better and 9.5/10 auto is clearly better.

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by mintyfrisk

The reason why I returned the card was because in the original auction 2013 Bowman Chrome Renato Nunez Auto 096 150 Blue Refractor on Card Oakland A'S | eBay the seller failed to mention that there were two significant dimples on the card. I'm not sure about you guys but I expect sellers to disclose this kind of information before I consider buying a card. me and I will answer you to the best of my ability

Thanks

I have absolutely no problem with returning a card if it is damaged or in bad condition and it hadn't been disclosed in listing. In this situation I just don't believe what you are saying. Is BGS perfect? We all know that they aren't but I have had enough cards graded now to know that "significant dimples" would not have allowed the card to get a 9.5. Not sure why you got cold feet but my feeling is that you did. Where on the card were the dimples so that they can be seen in the listing pictures? While this is not a scam it does piss me off more than I can put into words. Yes, there are return policies but this type of thing is an abuse. Most sellers on Ebay are not Walmart and should not have to deal with crap like this. Ebay doesn't care about sellers and allows people like you to get away with this which is why I refuse to sell there in almost all cases.

Houdini, I am disappointed in which side you fell here. What did the seller do wrong? He listed the card correctly and in this case it was even in better condition than advertised. He had someone get buyers remorse which caused him aggravation and lost time having to deal with it. He also should have lost money although Ebay actually did the right thing by refunding the fees which they normally don't do. Just because the buyer has the ability to return it for any reason does not make it right.

[Melagoo]

... This is for all of you that hate when people type in CAPS for the entire message ...

Okay boys and girls, here we go. The reason that this card is listed as an ebay 1/1, is as follows in this long, but all to common, horror story from ebay. This story begins with the sale of this card ungraded, item number 400527730373. The buyer, mintyfrisk, claimed that the item was not as described. The card was described as being in near mint condition or better. I refused to refund his money, so he filed a claim against me, as item not as described. I explained to ebay the qualifications for a near mint card, based on beckett grading services guidelines. They found in favor of the buyer, as usual, so they took the money out of my paypal account. When i got the card back, i immediately shipped it to beckett for grading. Guess what, it came back a bgs 9.5 with a 10 auto, way better than near mint.

I contacted ebay to have my money returned, and the $18 i spent to have the card graded. After waiting on hold for nearly an hour, i finally was able to talk to a representative from ebay. I explained the situation to him, and that i wanted the refund because the card was actually better than described, and not worse. He said he could not refund the money to me, because the case was closed. He said because i have a 14 day return policy, buyers can return anything they want, and get their money back, and that they do not need a reason to do it. I then asked, then why do you make them give a reason for returning it. He said it was their "policy".

So i asked him if i bought 100 items, could i get my money back? He said no, because i would be blocked for abusing the "policy" way before i got to 100. So, i asked at what number of items would i be blocked. He said, that there is not a certain number, but that it is based on percentage. So, i asked what is the percentage, and he said we really don't have a percentage, and i told him that ebay doesn't really have a policy at all then.

He finally gave me my final value fees back, and took the case off of my scorecard. Big stinckin' deal. So that, my friends, is why this is considered an ebay 1/1. So who is the biggest fool here? Ebay, because they decided that the card was not near mint or better, or the buyer, mintyfrisk, who returned a card that turned out to be a gem mint 9.5 with 10 auto?

[TASS]

You can request a return because the description does not say the card/player has 'dimples'!!

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by TASS

You can request a return because the description does not say the card/player has 'dimples'!!

You were joking but sadly Ebay would agree with this and force the return. Just an absolute pile of poo they have become. Shame too, they had a really good thing going. Not yet too late to right the ship but they may want to hurry before competition comes around.

[houdini]

Originally Posted by jmscoggin

Houdini, I am disappointed in which side you fell here. What did the seller do wrong? He listed the card correctly and in this case it was even in better condition than advertised. He had someone get buyers remorse which caused him aggravation and lost time having to deal with it. He also should have lost money although Ebay actually did the right thing by refunding the fees which they normally don't do. Just because the buyer has the ability to return it for any reason does not make it right.

Let me try to explain.

My main problem is with the mob mentality on this board. They got one side and attacked - some claiming they only need one side and because the seller went out of his way to prove it.

The other side of the story is that the buyer was not happy with the condition of the surface. The surface did receive a 9 - so perhaps the dimples were not as bad to the BGS grader as they were to the buyer.

So my second point is that the buyer has a right to return the card. I am not necessarily agreeing with his reasons, ok? The reasons are actually moot.

My third point is that the seller has a return policy and he refused to honor it. Apparently that isn't a big deal to some members, but it is to me.

The BGS grade is great for dramatic effect, but it has nothing to do with the initial problem.

Some can call the buyer the bad guy. However, other than assuming he returned for buyer's remorse, there is no reason to say this.

Some can call the seller the hero. However, he does not honor his word.

I have not sold a card on eBay in over a year because of problems like this. I use COMC because they handle all scanning, shipping, and any returns.

However, if a buyer returns something I sold (even beyond the 14 days), I accept the return and refund them. It has nothing to do with why they are returning and everything to do with how eBay works today.

[TASS]

Originally Posted by jmscoggin

You were joking but sadly Ebay would agree with this and force the return. Just an absolute pile of poo they have become. Shame too, they had a really good thing going. Not yet too late to right the ship but they may want to hurry before competition comes around.

Agreed, the return policy needs to be cleaned up especially in relation to our hobby.

As the policy stands now anyone purchasing a particular player hoping to cash in on the 'moment' can very easily return the purchase if within the 14 day's of said purchase that potential investment becomes 'no more' i.e. injury etc. they can using the most convenient excuse return that purchase!

[mintyfrisk]

Originally Posted by jmscoggin

I have absolutely no problem with returning a card if it is damaged or in bad condition and it hadn't been disclosed in listing. In this situation I just don't believe what you are saying. Is BGS perfect? We all know that they aren't but I have had enough cards graded now to know that "significant dimples" would not have allowed the card to get a 9.5. Not sure why you got cold feet but my feeling is that you did. Where on the card were the dimples so that they can be seen in the listing pictures? While this is not a scam it does piss me off more than I can put into words. Yes, there are return policies but this type of thing is an abuse. Most sellers on Ebay are not Walmart and should not have to deal with crap like this. Ebay doesn't care about sellers and allows people like you to get away with this which is why I refuse to sell there in almost all cases.

Houdini, I am disappointed in which side you fell here. What did the seller do wrong? He listed the card correctly and in this case it was even in better condition than advertised. He had someone get buyers remorse which caused him aggravation and lost time having to deal with it. He also should have lost money although Ebay actually did the right thing by refunding the fees which they normally don't do. Just because the buyer has the ability to return it for any reason does not make it right.

I didn't get cold feet on the card. I've never had to open a case as a buyer until that time. The card sold for $60, at the time they were going for $70-$80. I have a significant Nunez collection, check the bucket under Baseball Prospects. I wouldn't have returned the card if I didn't immediately notice the surface defect on it(yes, BGS graded it a 9 for surface but people act like they're flawless when they are very sporadic with they're grades.) I went back and forth with the seller and Ebay on it and they asked me to prove it and I sent pictures to them with them agreeing with me shortly afterwards. I no longer have those pictures and I regret deleting them a month after I won the case.

Like I said in an earlier post, I don't have anything against the seller. It's frustrating that I have to explain myself when I feel like I didn't do anything wrong. You all certainly have the option to block me if you'd like but I've never had a bad transaction until now.

Also, for those who don't understand what dimples are. They are small circular pen-sized dents that happen from time to time on bowman cards.

[bobthewondercat]

Calm down people. Buyer did nothing wrong. He returned one item.

This is what ebay allows, and if someone shows a pattern of returning things, they are supposed to get warned / banned.

Since when did returning a card become a crime? Even if there were NOT dimples, the seller has in his listing that he accepts returns.

I know ebay is very buyer friendly in dispute resolution... but this does not mean that every buyer is a scammer.

Good for you for explaining the situation clearly and calmly, mintyfrisk.

Seller did not need to blast you inappropriately on a public forum. Your card is a 9.5 now and will sell for more, why do you need to stir the pot and try to embarrass this guy?

[goldglove2144]

Because it is exactly what you said, a public forum! There are some on here that like to give other members a head's up on shady buyers/sellers, etc. The only embarassment is returning a "flawed" card and having it come back as a 9.5.

[mintyfrisk]

Also, I paid more for both of these. Both are the same card and I didn't return them. One before and one after the transaction with 3of5-2

Renato Nunez 2013 Bowman Chrome "Auto Blue Refractor Rookie" Only 150 Made | eBay

2013 Bowman Renato Nunez Blue Ref Auto | eBay

[98whitesteed]

Originally Posted by mintyfrisk

I didn't get cold feet on the card. I've never had to open a case as a buyer until that time. The card sold for $60, at the time they were going for $70-$80. I have a significant Nunez collection, check the bucket under Baseball Prospects. I wouldn't have returned the card if I didn't immediately notice the surface defect on it(yes, BGS graded it a 9 for surface but people act like they're flawless when they are very sporadic with they're grades.) I went back and forth with the seller and Ebay on it and they asked me to prove it and I sent pictures to them with them agreeing with me shortly afterwards. I no longer have those pictures and I regret deleting them a month after I won the case.

Like I said in an earlier post, I don't have anything against the seller. It's frustrating that I have to explain myself when I feel like I didn't do anything wrong. You all certainly have the option to block me if you'd like but I've never had a bad transaction until now.

Also, for those who don't understand what dimples are. They are small circular pen-sized dents that happen from time to time on bowman cards.

So you are saying the card was worse than this....?

Near Mint 7

Centering: 65/35 both ways or better on front. 90/10 or better on back. Very slight diamond cutting is allowed. Corners: Very minor wear on two or three corners is allowed. Edges: Slight roughness, minor chipping or very minor notching is allowed. Surface: A few noticeable print spots or minor speckling is allowed. Minor color or focus imperfections. Very minor border discoloration. A very minor wax stain on back. Solid gloss with a few minor scratches detectable upon close inspection. A few metallic print lines.

You must not know what nr-mt means.

EDIT: I do thank you for your service to this country.

[brewcrew8]

Unfortunately in the world of eBay Inc. sellers are completely at the mercy of the buyer

Buyers are much riskier to lose than sellers. All sellers need money, not all buyers need cards. Not many sellers are going to avoid eBay despite being treated like crap because of the traffic and greater money it will bring in. Buyers on the other hand can find cards elsewhere and don't need eBay as much as sellers do.

StubHub is the same way for tickets. StubHub is also owned by eBay. I had to lose a ton of money on tickets I sold because the buyer failed to report a problem until it was too late. As ticked off as I was to lose the money, I understand that buyers are more important on big traffic websites than loyal sellers are. I wanted to leave StubHub so bad and never sell tickets there again but because the traffic is so big I can't afford to go elsewhere. eBay is the same way.

[goldglove2144]

Honestly, after explaining yourself, that earns you some respect. And serving our country earns you alot more, thank you sir. Why I don't agree with the return, your feedback on here is spotless, and I personally, will not block you.

[mintyfrisk]

Originally Posted by 98whitesteed

So you are saying the card was worse than this....?

Near Mint 7

Centering: 65/35 both ways or better on front. 90/10 or better on back. Very slight diamond cutting is allowed. Corners: Very minor wear on two or three corners is allowed. Edges: Slight roughness, minor chipping or very minor notching is allowed. Surface: A few noticeable print spots or minor speckling is allowed. Minor color or focus imperfections. Very minor border discoloration. A very minor wax stain on back. Solid gloss with a few minor scratches detectable upon close inspection. A few metallic print lines.

You must not know what nr-mt means.

Okay let's say for a second that you believed me that there were dimples on the card, would you truly not have returned it if the seller didn't describe it in the listing?

Also, I don't particularly appreciate you calling me stupid(yah I saw you edited it)

[mintyfrisk]

Originally Posted by goldglove2144

Honestly, after explaining yourself, that earns you some respect. And serving our country earns you alot more, thank you sir. Why I don't agree with the return, your feedback on here is spotless, and I personally, will not block you.

Thank You, I will honestly say that I joined because I needed a job more than being a patriot. I would still be in service if I wasn't medically discharged.

[pyweed]

Seller should have just sucked it up, like we all do under these circumstances. But honestly, who wants to deal with buyers like this? It wasn't absolutely flawless so he sent it back. Good grief.

[mintyfrisk]

Originally Posted by pyweed

Seller should have just sucked it up, like we all do under these circumstances. But honestly, who wants to deal with buyers like this? It wasn't absolutely flawless so he sent it back. Good grief.

I've bought over 300 cards on my ebay account, I've never once sent a card back until now. If you believe that every card I've ever gotten was flawless then that's your opinion and you're free to block me.

[mintyfrisk]

teosdesserts, Bob Loblaw, aggie4ever, reign80, brewcrew8

I've just bought one or two of your cards on ebay and have paid. If I return them because I had cold feet, you can put me on blast here. And now you can leave a horrible message on my ebay feedback if you really thought I did that seller wrong. I won't dispute it and I wont post a retaliatory feedback, that's not my style.

(And no I'm not doing this again, this is only a one time thing.)

[free2131]

Originally Posted by houdini

1. Never judge a situation by just getting one side.

You obviously never watch American 24 hour news channels. :P

[IronMonkey415]

Uhh no..I'm happy as hell you bought something.
This is exciting for me.

[Bob Loblaw]

it is ridiculous to think that the seller would get his bgs fees paid...