Current Pitchers who will make the HOF?? - Page 2

lambeauleap87 · 08-26-2013, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HeritageKing

Cliff Lee's stats are close, if not better than Felix (who according to this boards is a lock).

Halladay also pitched when everyone was roided up.

Hernandez is going to have to keep pitching well for quite a few more years, IMO, to have the stats to get in. I know he's dominant, but the stats the Golden Era Voters are after aren't there, either. Not to mention King Felix is seven years (!) younger than Lee.

jtcswim87 · 08-26-2013, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by YankeesKRD

Andrew Eugene Pettitte.

Cheated....

JohnAndrew · 08-26-2013, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by YankeesKRD

Andrew Eugene Pettitte.

I like Pettitte as much as the next Yankee fan, but aside from one brilliant year in Houston and a couple great years in Pinstripes, he never achieved a consistent level of dominance you would expect from a HOFer. Great Yankee and a great pitcher, not quite Hall-worthy IMO.

elijahdf11 · 08-26-2013, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Metsfan1121

Halladay is like a decade older than Felix. And he's had much more success than all of those guys. He's definitely past them.

Well I also didn't say anyone else is a lock besides mariano so that doesn't help the argument. I feel MO IS the only lock right now.

jtcswim87 · 08-26-2013, 08:59 PM

I made a post about this topic (including batters) a few months ago. Joe Nathan was another name that came up in this discussion.

2.79 career ERA, top 5 in Cy Young voting twice, could realistically make it to the top 6 or 7 in all time saves. I think he is making a name for himself in the hall of fame discussion

elijahdf11 · 08-26-2013, 08:59 PM

What about Mike Mussina? I feel it will take a few years but he will be put it eventually.

jtcswim87 · 08-26-2013, 09:05 PM

Another one that we brought up was Tim Hudson.

-Never had a losing (record-wise) season.

-8 seasons of 15+ wins

-Top 5 in Cy Young Voting 3 times

-Potential 2000 K club member

He never really got a lot of attention or led the league in many categories at all, but he has got himself into the 200 Win club. I don't think he will get in, but I just thought i would mention it

YankeesKRD · 08-26-2013, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by elijahdf11

What about Mike Mussina? I feel it will take a few years but he will be put it eventually.

See thread title.

jtcswim87 · 08-26-2013, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by elijahdf11

What about Mike Mussina? I feel it will take a few years but he will be put it eventually.

He's not current, but he should get in

SDcardguy24 · 08-26-2013, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by YankeesKRD

Andrew Eugene Pettitte.

Aren't you the guy who recently found out that Andy had used steroids? lol

Rivera is a lock right now but Verlander, Kershaw, and Hernandez are on the right track.

8lakers24 · 08-26-2013, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by YankeesKRD

Andrew Eugene Pettitte.

did you forget he used steroids again?

Jopeal · 08-26-2013, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jtcswim87

Another one that we brought up was Tim Hudson.

-Never had a losing (record-wise) season.

-8 seasons of 15+ wins

-Top 5 in Cy Young Voting 3 times

-Potential 2000 K club member

He never really got a lot of attention or led the league in many categories at all, but he has got himself into the 200 Win club. I don't think he will get in, but I just thought i would mention it

If Halladay doesn't get in, Hudson doesn't have a chance. Great pitcher though

Mo could legitimately be the only active pitcher to get into the hall in the next 15 years.

Maddux, Pedro and Randy Johnson will most likely be first ballot, then nobody until Mo, then nobody for another decade+??? Wow

Djameson79 · 08-26-2013, 11:03 PM

Mark Buehrle? Long shot, I know. But consider...

184-139 career record
sub 4 career ERA,
13 consecutive seasons of 10+ wins,
2 no hitters, one of them a perfect game
World Series champion, in which he won a game and saved a game
4x All Star
4x Gold Glove

Pretty good résumé, not quite hall worthy IMO, but he deserves to be discussed.

ExAreSee · 08-26-2013, 11:05 PM

Noah Syndergaard will win 12 cy youngs.

MikeWilliamsFan · 08-26-2013, 11:07 PM

Roy Halladay couldve retired yesterday and have been a first ballot HOF, completley unbiased of course

Ziveus101 · 08-26-2013, 11:15 PM

Locks:
*Rivera

Maybe with a few more good seasons?:
*Halladay
*Lee
*Sabathia

On the right track at least...:
*Hernandez
*Kershaw
*Verlander

And for what it's worth I think Darvish might be inducted into the Japanese HoF one day.

fakeelvis · 08-26-2013, 11:33 PM

Darvish? Really? Daisuke had a good year or 2 as well, look where he's at.

Halladay needs a few more productive years. Kershaw and Felix both need 5+ more all star type years. Rivera only sure thing

Pettite prob stands good chance but steroids will hold him back unless bonds/mcgwire/Sosa start getting some votes

Ziveus101 · 08-26-2013, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fakeelvis

Darvish? Really? Daisuke had a good year or 2 as well, look where he's at.

Were you talking to me? If so look at my post again see that I wrote "Japanese HoF" not the one in boringtown.

Stat Monsters · 08-26-2013, 11:53 PM

A lot of times you don't realize how good a pitcher is until you see what he was, and it's something that you almost have to measure in hindsight than project since you see way too many prospects with 1-2 years under their belt or even 5, get injured or falter in a downward career death spiral.

ohiomike · 08-27-2013, 12:05 AM

Sabathia is by far the closest active starting pitcher to the HOF. Consider that all of Verlander, Kershaw, and Felix Hernandez are BEHIND Sabathia's pace to get to 300 wins (IE - At the same age, Sabathia had more wins). Hernandez is very close, but still behind.

Talking about a starting pitcher's HOF chances BEFORE the age of 30 or 200 wins is just silly. Roy Oswalt, Johan Santana, Josh Beckett, Jake Peavy, etc all looked like they were on their way to a HOF career before the age of 30.

Cooperstown will have to relax their "magic number" of 300 wins for starters to allow many (if any) more starting pitchers into the HOF, but Sabathia may be the only player to start their career post 1990 to get there. At barely 33 years old and over 200 wins already, its well within reason to think CC could pitch another 7 seasons and average 14 wins per season. He's easily having the worst season of his career in 2013, and will still probably win 13-14 games. 300 is no lock, but whatever stats he finishes with will probably be enough to meet the new relaxed standards, and he's about the only pitcher in the game you could give a better than 50% chance of getting to 300 wins.

wnp22 · 08-27-2013, 12:07 AM

Not enough Sabathia love in this thread. Only 33 years old, and 3000 K is well within his grasp (2366 currently). If he can continue to pitch well for 5ish more years, he could be a for sure lock.

jstbuch · 08-27-2013, 12:07 AM

If Verlander had 2 more great years and then 5+ more years of what he did this year, he'd be a HOF'er. For me, a HOF pitcher is a guy who was a top 3-4 pitcher for 5 years or more of his career.

MC80_LCM · 08-27-2013, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by wnp22

Not enough Sabathia love in this thread. Only 33 years old, and 3000 K is well within his grasp (2366 currently). If he can continue to pitch well for 5ish more years, he could be a for sure lock.

The way he is going this year and with his body type, I'd be shocked if he makes it another 5 years. If he does I doubt that its at anywhere close to an elite level.

IamRalpho · 08-27-2013, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MC80_LCM

The way he is going this year and with his body type, I'd be shocked if he makes it another 5 years. If he does I doubt that its at anywhere close to an elite level.

Yup. If this year is a sign of things to come, its about to get ugly for Captain Cheeseburger Sabathia.

He was the closest chance we had at another 300 game winner, but who knows now.

ccoffee99 · 08-27-2013, 07:28 AM

Rivera
Kershaw
Felix Hernandez
Justin Verlander(If he can bounce back)
Roy Halladay(If he can bounce back)

08-26-2013, 08:59 PM	#30
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08-26-2013, 09:05 PM	#32
jtcswim87 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Cleveland, OHIO Posts: 1,052	Another one that we brought up was Tim Hudson. -Never had a losing (record-wise) season. -8 seasons of 15+ wins -Top 5 in Cy Young Voting 3 times -Potential 2000 K club member He never really got a lot of attention or led the league in many categories at all, but he has got himself into the 200 Win club. I don't think he will get in, but I just thought i would mention it __________________ Tribe fan Collecting Hanley Ramirez, Jason Kipnis, and Cleveland Indians http://s1152.photobucket.com/albums/p483/jtcswim87/

08-26-2013, 11:15 PM	#41
Ziveus101 Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: The Empire State Posts: 2,560	Locks: Rivera Maybe with a few more good seasons?: Halladay Lee Sabathia On the right track at least...: Hernandez Kershaw Verlander And for what it's worth I think Darvish might be inducted into the Japanese HoF one day. __________________ Pandemonium Doesn't Reign Around Here, It Pours* PC: Luis Torrens

08-26-2013, 11:33 PM	#42
fakeelvis Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 333	Darvish? Really? Daisuke had a good year or 2 as well, look where he's at. Halladay needs a few more productive years. Kershaw and Felix both need 5+ more all star type years. Rivera only sure thing Pettite prob stands good chance but steroids will hold him back unless bonds/mcgwire/Sosa start getting some votes __________________ Always looking for yastrzemski cards! http://s1146.photobucket.com/albums/o527/Yastrzemski8/

08-26-2013, 11:03 PM	#38
Djameson79 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,095 Djameson79	Mark Buehrle? Long shot, I know. But consider... 184-139 career record sub 4 career ERA, 13 consecutive seasons of 10+ wins, 2 no hitters, one of them a perfect game World Series champion, in which he won a game and saved a game 4x All Star 4x Gold Glove Pretty good résumé, not quite hall worthy IMO, but he deserves to be discussed.

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08-26-2013, 11:53 PM	#44
Stat Monsters Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,504	A lot of times you don't realize how good a pitcher is until you see what he was, and it's something that you almost have to measure in hindsight than project since you see way too many prospects with 1-2 years under their belt or even 5, get injured or falter in a downward career death spiral.

08-27-2013, 12:05 AM	#45
ohiomike Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 4,121 buckeyesportcards ohiomike	Sabathia is by far the closest active starting pitcher to the HOF. Consider that all of Verlander, Kershaw, and Felix Hernandez are BEHIND Sabathia's pace to get to 300 wins (IE - At the same age, Sabathia had more wins). Hernandez is very close, but still behind. Talking about a starting pitcher's HOF chances BEFORE the age of 30 or 200 wins is just silly. Roy Oswalt, Johan Santana, Josh Beckett, Jake Peavy, etc all looked like they were on their way to a HOF career before the age of 30. Cooperstown will have to relax their "magic number" of 300 wins for starters to allow many (if any) more starting pitchers into the HOF, but Sabathia may be the only player to start their career post 1990 to get there. At barely 33 years old and over 200 wins already, its well within reason to think CC could pitch another 7 seasons and average 14 wins per season. He's easily having the worst season of his career in 2013, and will still probably win 13-14 games. 300 is no lock, but whatever stats he finishes with will probably be enough to meet the new relaxed standards, and he's about the only pitcher in the game you could give a better than 50% chance of getting to 300 wins. __________________ Find me at SPORTLOTS.COM - OHIOMIKE Domestic orders over 50 cards ship ABSOLUTELY FREE with me, copy and paste this URL: http://www.sportlots.com/inven/invenbin/dealerpage.tpl?dealer=ohiomike

08-27-2013, 12:07 AM	#46
wnp22 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 248 pascalsportscards	Not enough Sabathia love in this thread. Only 33 years old, and 3000 K is well within his grasp (2366 currently). If he can continue to pitch well for 5ish more years, he could be a for sure lock.

08-27-2013, 12:07 AM	#47
jstbuch Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Bakersfield, CA Posts: 1,654	If Verlander had 2 more great years and then 5+ more years of what he did this year, he'd be a HOF'er. For me, a HOF pitcher is a guy who was a top 3-4 pitcher for 5 years or more of his career. __________________ Collecting hard-to-find Orel Hershiser cards and graded (PSA 10/BGS 9.5) rookie cards of HOF'ers, stars, and prospects.

08-27-2013, 07:28 AM	#50
ccoffee99 Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,127	Rivera Kershaw Felix Hernandez Justin Verlander(If he can bounce back) Roy Halladay(If he can bounce back)