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[MeteoriteGuy]

Originally Posted by friarbolt

Freedom of religion is legally protected, so are other things. But as of right now being gay is not one of them and even if it was, I don't think they would allow gays to discriminate based on them being gay. It's not a belief system it's a way of life those aren't the same.

That's not really true, on gay rights not protected. Right now we have a mixed patch work group of laws, were some are, and some are not.

[friarbolt]

Originally Posted by MeteoriteGuy

That's not really true, on gay rights not protected. Right now we have a mixed patch work group of laws, were some are, and some are not.

I realize that, but not on a wide level.

[Davesportscards]

Originally Posted by friarbolt

And a centuries old religion that is legally recognized by the United States. I don't care what side you're on believing that being gay is okay and Christianity are not on the same level like you're trying to argue.

Yes they are. It's called equal rights.

[ekalbnz]

Originally Posted by friarbolt

As it's been said many times, most Christians would argue being gay is a choice. If it is, it's hard to argue it's a basic human right on the same level as not being judged by your skin color, sex, etc.

If Christians were coming at from your perspective that it's natural and a genetic trait and still were passing judgement, I'd actually be on the opposite side of the issue. It's a different perspective.

Many would also argue that being religious is a choice too (more so than choosing to be gay). Afterall, you are "choosing" to accept God as your Saviour, correct?

Also, in regards to the genetic trait, Scientists have actually done studies on this and found that families with two homosexual siblings were very likely to have certain genetic markers on a region of the X chromosome known as Xq28.

Originally Posted by SM1945

If a man was intended to be with another
man his anus would be self lubricating
and his body would reproduce.

It is not natural for a young boy or girl
to see a man/man or woman/woman kissing.

What's next, a man marrying his dog/cat/etc?

Someone marrying another species is completely different to two consenting adults marrying each other.

[MeteoriteGuy]

Originally Posted by friarbolt

I realize that, but not on a wide level.

There are federal laws that protect gays, in some cases, like I said, its a mixed patchwork, and its across every level.

[royprice31]

Originally Posted by Davesportscards

I do? Nope, I do not. I think we share a common ancestry. That DOES NOT mean we come from apes.

Please explain. I would love to see it!!

[Davesportscards]

Originally Posted by royprice31

Please explain. I would love to see it!!

What are you talking about? Explain what?

[friarbolt]

Originally Posted by Davesportscards

Yes they are. It's called equal rights.

You cannot discriminate like you suggested or claim certain as a result of saying you are gay except for limited laws in some states as mentioned. Being gay is not a belief system, it in no way is related to Chrisitianity or the rights protected by the constitution that relate to religion.

[royprice31]

Originally Posted by SM1945

If a man was intended to be with another
man his anus would be self lubricating
and his body would reproduce.

It is not natural for a young boy or girl
to see a man/man or woman/woman kissing.

What's next, a man marrying his dog/cat/etc?

Nice point but don't tell them they can't be with there cat or dog. That will hurt their feelings!

[friarbolt]

Originally Posted by ekalbnz

Many would also argue that being religious is a choice too (more so than choosing to be gay). Afterall, you are "choosing" to accept God as your Saviour, correct?

Also, in regards to the genetic trait, Scientists have actually done studies on this and found that families with two homosexual siblings were very likely to have certain genetic markers on a region of the X chromosome known as Xq28.





Someone marrying another species is completely different to two consenting adults marrying each other.

Religion is absolutely a choice, but nobody is arguing for legislation that forces it on others. Remember I only want to protect religious freedoms, I don't have any desire to deny the rights of others. The point is that you can argue that on the other hand certain gay legislation does infringe on the rights of others due to freedom of religion.

And I'm well aware of the science, but I don't see enough to suggest it's 100% a genetic trait and not a choice. Remember even religion acknowledges people have homosexual urges, so science backing that up doesn't prove much.

[royprice31]

Originally Posted by Davesportscards

What are you talking about? Explain what?

The question about you coming from Apes.

[Davesportscards]

Originally Posted by friarbolt

You cannot discriminate like you suggested or claim certain as a result of saying you are gay except for limited laws in some states as mentioned. Being gay is not a belief system, it in no way is related to Chrisitianity or the rights protected by the constitution that relate to religion.

"The "Free Exercise Clause" states that Congress cannot "prohibit the free exercise" of religious practices. The Supreme Court of the United States has consistently held, however, that the right to free exercise of religion is not absolute. "

[Davesportscards]

Originally Posted by royprice31

The question about you coming from Apes.

I don't think I "come from Apes". You are making a false assertion about me.

[friarbolt]

Originally Posted by Davesportscards

"The "Free Exercise Clause" states that Congress cannot "prohibit the free exercise" of religious practices. The Supreme Court of the United States has consistently held, however, that the right to free exercise of religion is not absolute. "

Ok? I never said your side didn't have an argument, interpreting what rights and beliefs are protected is up to our courts and the votes of our democracy. Which is what our country is doing right now.

[royprice31]

Originally Posted by Davesportscards

I don't think I "come from Apes". You are making a false assertion about me.

Please explain how you share a common ancestry with apes.

[Davesportscards]

Originally Posted by royprice31

Please explain how you share a common ancestry with apes.

Please explain how we don't.

[MeteoriteGuy]

Originally Posted by friarbolt

You cannot discriminate like you suggested or claim certain as a result of saying you are gay except for limited laws in some states as mentioned. Being gay is not a belief system, it in no way is related to Chrisitianity or the rights protected by the constitution that relate to religion.

The court does not agree with you as the court can not even define your reasoning of "belief system".

United States v. Ballard (1944)

The Court found that neither the courts nor the government have the right to evaluate the religious beliefs of a citizen or group.

There is no belief system measure.


Further..and more recent,

ESA v. Rylander (2001)
A Texas District Court ruled that a nontheistic Ethical Culture Society deserved a religious tax exemption. The Court rejected State arguments that religion must be defined by a belief in a "Supreme Being."

They're beliefs are religious if they think they are. The court has no say on this.

[royprice31]

Originally Posted by Davesportscards

Please explain how we don't.

It's called Creation.

[MeteoriteGuy]

Originally Posted by royprice31

Please explain how you share a common ancestry with apes.

Apes, as we know it, did not exist back then, and science does not think we came from apes. We did evolve from what you may yourself define as ape-like, but that's not really true either. More we were just more primitive, for lack of better word the forum would understand.

[Davesportscards]

Originally Posted by royprice31

It's called Creation.

It's called Evolution.

[WilsonValdez]

Originally Posted by friarbolt

Religion is absolutely a choice, but nobody is arguing for legislation that forces it on others.

Echemmmmmm..

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[trixstar]

Originally Posted by royprice31

It's called Creation.

Oh you're a creationalist? So you also think the earth is 6000 years old and that Satan put the dinosaur bones in the ground to test our faith.

[royprice31]

Originally Posted by Davesportscards

It's called Evolution.

Exactly, so you believe we come from apes. Correct??

[friarbolt]

Originally Posted by MeteoriteGuy

The court does not agree with you as the court can not even define your reasoning of "belief system".

United States v. Ballard (1944)

The Court found that neither the courts nor the government have the right to evaluate the religious beliefs of a citizen or group.

There is no belief system measure.


Further..and more recent,

ESA v. Rylander (2001)
A Texas District Court ruled that a nontheistic Ethical Culture Society deserved a religious tax exemption. The Court rejected State arguments that religion must be defined by a belief in a "Supreme Being."

They're beliefs are religious if they think they are. The court has no say on this.

So would you like to argue that being gay is now a religion-like way of life? I have a feeling even if you wrote up a doctrine for being gay and the beliefs that go with it that it would not end up passing a recognized belief system acknowledged by our government.

[Davesportscards]

Originally Posted by royprice31

Exactly, so you believe we come from apes. Correct??

When did I say that?