So what happens to RG3...?

[ejs23]

does he get traded now or after the season? do they work it out? do they continue with this toxic coach-QB relationship?

Shanahan was a disaster and may be responsible for ruining Robert Griffin. and Jay Gruden should probably just go back to the Arena League.

with the right coach Washington is the team for for Griffin. but if they stick with Gruden, and they can't work out their issues, maybe a new home allows Griffin to reestablish himself.

I know many Redskins fans are down on Griffin... then again they believed Cousins was going to be a star an now think McCoy is the one.

[asujbl]

Or maybe RG3 sucks and he should deal with whatever coach he has. It's never his fault.

[blevins26]

I think it's becoming obvious that the guys in his own locker room, coaches included, don't like the guy.

Being able to guide RG3 had to be one of the highest priorities during the coach interview process so I'd expect that they felt really about Gruden's ability to develop RG3. It's pretty obvious Gruden can't stand the guy.

To see the way Gruden talked the other day just seems like a guy who has tried & tried to help and is at his wits end. Almost like, "I've tried to tell this guy what to do and he's not listening, I'm done."

[eaglesvikings]

Retire and sell his stupid socks

[Qwasian]

he's a very talented guy I just don't think it's going to ever translate into long term success and durability.......... the attitude he has kinda gets him in trouble on & off the field, he's going to have durability issues thinking he can take defenses on with his legs and not play smart the way he was doing before when he was very succesful so I don't think he can do what makes him great for a long period of time, he will probably be mediocre for a few years & fade out.

[briscogun]

Was listening to the radio this AM and they talked about Luck and RGIII and the differences in how they've gone about their business. Luck just focused on football. No commercial deals or endorsements, just football. He's done one ad and it was this year. RGIII has enjoyed stardom a lot more, including endorsing quite a few products. The comment was basically maybe he should've focused on his job and not his advertising career.

He'll be one of those "what could've been" stories a few years from now. He's really going to set that franchise back if you ask me.

[ejs23]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Or maybe RG3 sucks and he should deal with whatever coach he has. It's never his fault.

nope. he had an epic rookie year and you don't do that by accident... you can't fake that level of talent.

Kirk Cousins is actually an adequate backup and look how bad they were with him in the games. It's not just the QB, it's the team. and RG3 has already proved he's a capable starter.

I'd actually like to see him traded. I think a fresh start for another team while he's still young is best for everyone.

[groundhog]

Originally Posted by ejs23

nope. he had an epic rookie year and you don't do that by accident... you can't fake that level of talent.

Kirk Cousins is actually an adequate backup and look how bad they were with him in the games. It's not just the QB, it's the team. and RG3 has already proved he's a capable starter.

I'd actually like to see him traded. I think a fresh start for another team while he's still young is best for everyone.

I agree, you just dont forget how to play

[88horsepower]

Originally Posted by ejs23

nope. he had an epic rookie year and you don't do that by accident... you can't fake that level of talent.

Kirk Cousins is actually an adequate backup and look how bad they were with him in the games. It's not just the QB, it's the team. and RG3 has already proved he's a capable starter.

I'd actually like to see him traded. I think a fresh start for another team while he's still young is best for everyone.

You know who else had a pretty awesome rookie year? Rick Mirer. Vince Young. Rashaan Salaam. You can only rely on natural talent for so long before the lack of skill or work ethic catch up with you.

[coltsnsox07]

You forget his legs were 70% of his game, he now moves like Joe Namath and the league has his number..

[piner]

I think it is clear that he isn't the same player he was his rc year. Footwork is off, confidence isn't there, he's not making throws he used to make. I think part of it is coming off the injury. I think the O-line is terrible as well. He just doesn't look comfortable at all. I wish they would've used some money on the O-line instead of weapons...or even some draft picks would've been nice.

[erock28]

Originally Posted by ejs23

nope. he had an epic rookie year and you don't do that by accident... you can't fake that level of talent.

Kirk Cousins is actually an adequate backup and look how bad they were with him in the games. It's not just the QB, it's the team. and RG3 has already proved he's a capable starter.

I'd actually like to see him traded. I think a fresh start for another team while he's still young is best for everyone.

Epic rookie year...funny. No disrespect intended, but his rookie year was the one year the read option was successful in the NFL, and he had a cluster of lucky TD passes. The read option was destined to fail as a legitimate system in the NFL...the speed of pro defenders can shut it down. I don't hate on RG3, but he lacks the tools to be a franchise QB. Will be out of the NFL within 3 years...

[ejs23]

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

You know who else had a pretty awesome rookie year? Rick Mirer. Vince Young. Rashaan Salaam. You can only rely on natural talent for so long before the lack of skill or work ethic catch up with you.

nah... none of them were close. RG3 put up spectacular numbers and led his team to the post season for the first time in 5 years. Again, you can't fake that kind of talent.

And who is questioning his work ethic? I don't think I've heard anyone involved bring that up.

Originally Posted by coltsnsox07

You forget his legs were 70% of his game, he now moves like Joe Namath and the league has his number..

No doubt he could run, but wasn't one dimensional... he could throw the ball too.

Originally Posted by piner

I think it is clear that he isn't the same player he was his rc year. Footwork is off, confidence isn't there, he's not making throws he used to make. I think part of it is coming off the injury. I think the O-line is terrible as well. He just doesn't look comfortable at all. I wish they would've used some money on the O-line instead of weapons...or even some draft picks would've been nice.

I agree... after 2 serious injuries he needs a little time to get back to form. And the lack of O-line is not helping him at all.

Originally Posted by erock28

Epic rookie year...funny. No disrespect intended, but his rookie year was the one year the read option was successful in the NFL, and he had a cluster of lucky TD passes... I don't hate on RG3, but he lacks the tools to be a franchise QB. Will be out of the NFL within 3 years...

Look at his rookie year numbers.... they don't lie. He had a great season. If he doesn't suffer any other injuries, I think he remains a legit starter... the question is with what team?

[thepuffingbilly]

I'm sure glad I didn't invest in his cards.

He's a bum.

[Nick Diaz]

Vince Young > RG3, nobody is laughing now

[fazzle]

Originally Posted by ejs23

And who is questioning his work ethic? I don't think I've heard anyone involved bring that up.

Steve Young: Coaches have told me RG3 doesn’t put in the time | ProFootballTalk

Apparently someone is

[Brafcauknid]

Originally Posted by ejs23

Look at his rookie year numbers.... they don't lie.

One decent year does not a good player make...neil lomax at 25 years old threw for 4600 yrds in friggin 1984...how did he turn out?

3200 yrds, 20 tds passing is decent for a rookie but is no where near the way the OP is trying to make it seem. What made him special was the threat of the run, which is all but gone now. If he doesnt get back the legs he once had and has to be a pocket passer....he'll be going the way of vince young in no time.

Its pretty much common sense that if 2 head coaches, one of which has 2 superbowl rings, 2 coaching staffs, and most of your teammates are saying your a problem...theres at least a reasonable chance that its true.

[berkey33]

Bills fire Marrone get a real HC and OC trade a 3rd for RGIII. I can only hope.

[bbplaya11]

They draft marriota

[ejs23]

Originally Posted by fazzle

Steve Young: Coaches have told me RG3 doesn’t put in the time | ProFootballTalk

Apparently someone is

yes, Shanahan... the guy who, after blowing the Redskins playoff run and damaging their franchise's future, was eventually fired. not a very unbiased source.

Originally Posted by Brafcauknid

One decent year does not a good player make...neil lomax at 25 years old threw for 4600 yrds in friggin 1984...how did he turn out?

3200 yrds, 20 tds passing is decent for a rookie but is no where near the way the OP is trying to make it seem. What made him special was the threat of the run, which is all but gone now. If he doesnt get back the legs he once had and has to be a pocket passer....he'll be going the way of vince young in no time.

Its pretty much common sense that if 2 head coaches, one of which has 2 superbowl rings, 2 coaching staffs, and most of your teammates are saying your a problem...theres at least a reasonable chance that its true.

whatever Shanahan accomplished in Denver didn't do him any good in Washington where he was a dud. anyone who watched that playoff game knows he alone was responsible for blowing it. and that other coach's resume consists of the Arena league, so.......

should RG3 have called out his teammates like that? probably not. but that doesn't mean he's not right.

is anyone seriously suggesting that Redskins team is great but for RG3? Give him Russell Wilson's or Kaepernick's job and he's twice the QB that either of them is.

[lagalaxyfan23]

[fanofsports]

Am the Redskins are in such a tough place. They put everything into rgiii and thinks looked good for the franchise. Now everything is looking terrible.

[chipmaster]

O-Line sucks and the defense is HORRID

Get rid of Haslet, hire Rex Ryan when he's fired after this year

Draft O-line, Corners and Safety

RG3 is not finished by any means. Will he return to 2012 form? Doubt it, but if he's even 80% of what he was, he will be successful once again.

It's laughable that there are some in this thread throwing his rookie season out like it was a fluke. The man carried the Redskins to 7 straight wins to grab the division. When is the last time ANYONE has seen something like that? He wasn't ROY over Luck and RW3 for no reason.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by ejs23

nope. he had an epic rookie year and you don't do that by accident... you can't fake that level of talent.

Kirk Cousins is actually an adequate backup and look how bad they were with him in the games. It's not just the QB, it's the team. and RG3 has already proved he's a capable starter.

I'd actually like to see him traded. I think a fresh start for another team while he's still young is best for everyone.

Apparently you can fake it for one year. Lots of guys have. Then they fall off the map.

RG3 isn't some outlier.

[erock28]

Originally Posted by ejs23

nah... none of them were close. RG3 put up spectacular numbers and led his team to the post season for the first time in 5 years. Again, you can't fake that kind of talent.

And who is questioning his work ethic? I don't think I've heard anyone involved bring that up.




No doubt he could run, but wasn't one dimensional... he could throw the ball too.




I agree... after 2 serious injuries he needs a little time to get back to form. And the lack of O-line is not helping him at all.



Look at his rookie year numbers.... they don't lie. He had a great season. If he doesn't suffer any other injuries, I think he remains a legit starter... the question is with what team?

He was GOOD his rookie season, the numbers don't scream 'great' and they are skewed by two things - the threat of the read option keeping defenders cautious, and a ridiculous proportion of long/fluky/thrown up for grabs TDs. I remember watching a few games and wondering how some of those balls weren't picked off. Lady luck was on his shoulders that season. I'm too lazy to look up stats, but I would be surprised if 6-8 of those TDs were longer than 30 yards - if you turn luck against him and change those to interceptions his numbers aren't that impressive. A good comparable is the 2 picks Nick Foles threw in 2013 - completely lucky and unsustainable. Against Green Bay alone Foles had two up for grabs balls that should have been picked but turned into TDs. In 2014 defenses are no longer afraid of the read option and are teeing off on RG3, because he does not read progressions quickly enough he is making the types of decisions that get you benched. Throw in the mega ego and loss of the locker room (if it's as bad as the media makes it to be), and you have a guy who won't have a job in three years...