1997 Jordan PMG Green 1/10 up on eBay...

[currycurrycurry]

I'm glad I wasn't collecting at this time.. I'd be an even more broke joke.

[Giantrobot]

First 4 bids-

$0.99

$1.00

$299.00

$2323.00

lol

[nissandriver77]

Originally Posted by Giantrobot

First 4 bids-

$0.99

$1.00

$299.00

$2323.00

lol

Next bid will be $23'232.32

According to how the PMG reds where supposedly changing hands for $18k + this card is a $100k + card LOL

[SportsItUpCards]

Originally Posted by nissandriver77

Next bid will be $23'232.32

According to how the PMG reds where supposedly changing hands for this card is a $100k + card lol

The people involved are such a joke, it's pathetic. Smh

Not only have they shilled these cards, but they've also ruined it by making fakes, which is actually worse. Sure it's a scum move to shill them and create fake sales, and fake hype as if these cards were the best thing since slived bread... but they got too greedy and started making fakes, and that really backfired, as many many people will stay clear even if they were real. How would you possibly know the difference??

The scum of this hobby have ruined it for the true collectors. Why don't they find something better to do?

[ninjacookies]

I really want to see the factories where they're churning these cards out, because honestly...that's pretty incredible. These pmg's not only had a prismatic foiling on the front, but it was also embossed. How they're able to fake it, I have no clue.

Could this perhaps be from a backdoor'd uncut sheet that we never knew about?


I think the hobby needs to be concerned more than just about 90's inserts, because cards like this would be a lot more difficult to fake than modern cards. Apparently the technology is already more than here. Can you imagine how easy a card such as Flawless would be to recreate?

[dengbang]

Looks to be authentic when compared with other greens but not so sure I buy that story and I am sure I've seen the 1/100 copy back then. Anyone keep track of what numbers of the green MJ are out there?

[AbraCalabro]

What sucks is you have people that don't give a damn about the hobby, but they see an opportunity to make money. I.E. KenCope and his Jambalayas

This thing 'could' be real, but I'm not buying it - if this is a fake, hopefully some old school collector steps forward and presents the real deal. Even if I had the cash, there are some cards I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole and the PMGs are among them, this particular year especially.

This will be interesting to follow.

[the27guy]

Like most of you, I'm sorry, but I just don't buy it. I believe that it is LIKELY either a counterfeit or from a fleer uncut sheet, and then cut and numbered.

Here's what we KNOW....

1. Super high end, and seemingly difficult to repicate 90s inserts have been completely replicated, even to the point where Beckett has had a tough time figuring out what's real. This includes at least Z Force Raves, Numbered Skybox Rubies, and Starting Fives.

2. Most of the MJ Green PMG's haven't been seen online.

3. Some dude, not telling us where he got the box from lists one of the best cards of our generation at open auction, after he pulled it yesterday......

Could it be true? Yes. Is it likely true? I don't think so. If there weren't so many other 90s inserts being faked, I might completely reserve judgment.... but as it is, I just think it's likely a fake.

Having said that, would love to hear the whole story of where the box came from and have him send it to Beckett and have it come back real... I'd love to be wrong on this one.

[CubKings]

Originally Posted by fullmetal

Not to mention the poor aesthetics of the PMG cards. I don't understand the craze. The cards are not visually appealing.

Really? "Not visually appealing"? Have you seen one before? An original?

They look pretty amazing. It's like an etched, refractory, piece of cardboard eye sex.

But, maybe that's just not your thing and that's understandable.

[Hegotgame15]

The person that buys the card must own a few other greens to compare....
No other way you could risk it.....

No way do I trust it though, but having said that there hasn't been a fake PMG even close enough to foul anyone as yet....

The sheet cut cards are the only kind of "fake" it could be...

[jj2]

Originally Posted by Hegotgame15

The person that buys the card must own a few other greens to compare....
No other way you could risk it.....

No way do I trust it though, but having said that there hasn't been a fake PMG even close enough to foul anyone as yet....

The sheet cut cards are the only kind of "fake" it could be...

This. Everyone's screaming "fake" but haven't shown any actual examples. The only similar examples I've seen really look nothing like the originals.

[ragingbull]

The Taiwan fakes and the Uncut sheets have really ruined the 90s hobby. Especially for high-end MJ fanatics. But when you look at the price of the card right now with 9 days left ($36k as I type this), it seems the possibility of being a fake is being overlooked by the bidders. I still think its the real deal (it does have chippings, wouldn't the fakes have a perfect or close to perfect duplicate? or have they learned to make it not too perfect? lol.), but as mentioned by many here, who wouldn't have reservations with the all the 90's fakes circulating around.

[joey_peapod]

I'm not familiar with the basketball PMGs, where only the first 10 green which is why he's saying it's a /10?

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by joey_peapod

I'm not familiar with the basketball PMGs, where only the first 10 green which is why he's saying it's a /10?

Yes and the reason he's saying it's x/10 is because the first 10 are greens.

The breakdown is like this:

100 PMGs for each card > of those 100, the first 10 are green, the remaining 90 cards are red.

Following the same mind set as labeling the greens to be x/10, one could also say the reds are x/90. There are a few ways to look at it - but the greens are numbered 1-10/100 and the reds are numbered 11-100/100.

Some one correct me if I'm wrong, but that should be it.

by the way the 1 in 001 is different than the 1 in 100

[MiracleSports]

Hope it is authentic. If what the seller claimed was true regarding the card being pulled only recently. What I really wanna know is which LCS or online dealer had this box laying around on their shelves all this time. LOL If it's indeed the real deal, this has got to be one of the best cards that has ever surfaced on feebay! Most likely this will be shilled to the moon and get relisted many times before an offline deal is made.

[gameissued]

The card itself looks like the real deal to me, but the story is too weird. It adds up almost tooo perfectly. First listing boxes for $2500, and then a graded PMG red single. Then on a whim deciding to bust the box. And auction it with a one-sentence description. Ungraded (or authenticated). If it were me I would fly to PSA or BGS and just have it lookec at before doing anything else. But all that said I like good pulls and stories to go with it so hope its the real deal.

[XARZY]

If he posted a break video and it showed him pulling this the interwebz would break. It would be Gangnam Style 2.0 for youtube lol
Video would go viral and it would be ALL OVER the news outlets and dude would actually end up making double his money from the ad revenue

[SPauthentic84]

I dont think I come across as a tin hat wearer...who knows maybe I do...

that being said...

doesnt it kind of look fake?

EDIT-additional photos added and looks good to me

[Hegotgame15]

Just going off the pics in the listing and NOTHING else, I'm going with it's real.

REAL as in it could be a pack pulled legit pull of a life time or it could be a sheet cut with a serial number added later.

The print line is the tell, even if the chipping was done to fool people because it was a sheet cut, you would be nuts to serial it number 001/100....

So with that said, the print line, the serial number being 001 and the chipping it just looks right to me.

Also the color of the cardboard edge itself is also the right off white darker color it's meant to be....

The listing itself is what brings the card into question....And of course MR SMH the know it all is the expert....lmfao

[nissandriver77]

Originally Posted by SportsItUpCards

The people involved are such a joke, it's pathetic. Smh

Not only have they shilled these cards, but they've also ruined it by making fakes, which is actually worse. Sure it's a scum move to shill them and create fake sales, and fake hype as if these cards were the best thing since slived bread... but they got too greedy and started making fakes, and that really backfired, as many many people will stay clear even if they were real. How would you possibly know the difference??

The scum of this hobby have ruined it for the true collectors. Why don't they find something better to do?

Who knows someone will dump some cash into it so who cares it's there problem to work it out if it is real or not , if it is not real I wouldn't put it past them to flip it off to someone else with no remorse .

Personally I'm not into paying big bucks for cards let alone an Numbered Insert but hey whatever floats others boats it's there dough .

After the last few years I personally won't put a cent towards this hobby and I could care less to be quite honest , soon I'll dump my stocks and be done with it for good, cards lost there lustre to me When UD lost it's license since then it's been a crap fest in all areas of the NBA trading card market as you know Gio .

[nissandriver77]

Originally Posted by Hegotgame15

Just going off the pics in the listing and NOTHING else, I'm going with it's real.

REAL as in it could be a pack pulled legit pull of a life time or it could be a sheet cut with a serial number added later.

The print line is the tell, even if the chipping was done to fool people because it was a sheet cut, you would be nuts to serial it number 001/100....

So with that said, the print line, the serial number being 001 and the chipping it just looks right to me.

Also the color of the cardboard edge itself is also the right off white darker color it's meant to be....

The listing itself is what brings the card into question....And of course MR SMH the know it all is the expert....lmfao

You should Buy it , it will be the centerpiece to your Insert collection !!!!

[Hegotgame15]

Originally Posted by nissandriver77

You should Buy it , it will be the centerpiece to your Insert collection !!!!

I don't need 2....

[Hegotgame15]

Originally Posted by nissandriver77

Who knows someone will dump some cash into it so who cares it's there problem to work it out if it is real or not , if it is not real I wouldn't put it past them to flip it off to someone else with no remorse .

Personally I'm not into paying big bucks for cards let alone an Numbered Insert but hey whatever floats others boats it's there dough .

After the last few years I personally won't put a cent towards this hobby and I could care less to be quite honest , soon I'll dump my stocks and be done with it for good, cards lost there lustre to me When UD lost it's license since then it's been a crap fest in all areas of the NBA trading card market as you know Gio .

Same person in 2 accounts or just BFF's?

SMH....

[nissandriver77]

Originally Posted by Hegotgame15

I don't need 2....

Why not corner the market

If you had 2 of the ten that set would go up by 30% atleast making them $75k - $120k cards .

[nissandriver77]

Originally Posted by Hegotgame15

Same person in 2 accounts or just BFF's?

SMH....

Are you for real ?

I think you have shook your head one to many times , no brain cells left !