WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV

[Stevepeters298]

Originally Posted by byronscott4ever

Since DB winning the RR seems too good at this point, I'll say they give it to Orton to make him relevant. Lesnar will drop the title soon and then Heyman can say Lesnar doesn't care about a title, he just want so conquer people which basically means he can do whatever he wants whenever he wants. I like the sign last night that said something like "Eat Conquer Stay at Home Repeat"

i laughed when i saw that. great sign

[DCN12586]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

With Bryan back, there is no babyface that is safely winning the Royal Rumble. Doesn't matter who it is, if Bryan doesn't win the fans will turn on them just like they boo'd Mysterio and turned on Bautista.

I can see the road to Wrestlemania working out like this:

- Daniel Bryan will win the Royal Rumble
- John Cena beats Brock Lesnar at RR, Rollins cashes in and is new champ.
- DB vs Rollins at WM, DB is champ again!
- Lesnar and Reigns will feud leading to a match at WM, Reigns goes over.
- Cena and Rusev will feud leading to match at WM, I wanna say Rusev wins but....
- HHH vs Sting

Then you have all your mid-card stuff; who knows what they do with Wyatt, Ziggler, Ambrose. Still rumors of Wyatt vs Undertaker, and maybe Ambrose turns heal now that Orton and Bryan are back and have Ambrose vs. Ziggler for IC title?

There are definitely some holes that need to be filled, such as where does Randy Orton fit into all this with him returning. He won't get a title shot, but we's not done feuding with the Authority. So does he terrorize the Authority up to and including their matches at WM, hitting RKO's outta nowhere?

The WM picture is finally starting to heat up and I feel the product will start getting better. This Raw wasn't that bad, the first time in a long time imo.

Pretty much called the Bryan scenario at the beginning of December, but got laughed at.

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

With Bryan back, there is no babyface that is safely winning the Royal Rumble. Doesn't matter who it is, if Bryan doesn't win the fans will turn on them just like they boo'd Mysterio and turned on Bautista.

I can see the road to Wrestlemania working out like this:

- Daniel Bryan will win the Royal Rumble
- John Cena beats Brock Lesnar at RR, Rollins cashes in and is new champ.
- DB vs Rollins at WM, DB is champ again!
- Lesnar and Reigns will feud leading to a match at WM, Reigns goes over.
- Cena and Rusev will feud leading to match at WM, I wanna say Rusev wins but....
- HHH vs Sting

Then you have all your mid-card stuff; who knows what they do with Wyatt, Ziggler, Ambrose. Still rumors of Wyatt vs Undertaker, and maybe Ambrose turns heal now that Orton and Bryan are back and have Ambrose vs. Ziggler for IC title?

There are definitely some holes that need to be filled, such as where does Randy Orton fit into all this with him returning. He won't get a title shot, but we's not done feuding with the Authority. So does he terrorize the Authority up to and including their matches at WM, hitting RKO's outta nowhere?

The WM picture is finally starting to heat up and I feel the product will start getting better. This Raw wasn't that bad, the first time in a long time imo.

All of your logic makes perfect sense, which pretty much guarantees that none of this happens. You're forgetting about the two X factors here, Vince McMahon and John Cena.
I could just as easily see Cena beating Lesnar at Royal Rumble, with Rollins cashing in and screwing Cena over. Then Cena "surprises" Rollins/Authority by becoming a last minute entry to the Rumble and winning the whole thing, setting up for Cena / Rollins at Mania and digging deeper into the Cena/Authority angle along the way.

If there's anything that you could see coming from a mile away, it's that Bryan will be the 1st or 2nd entry into the Rumble. Then he gets eliminated by Rusev. They need Rusev to regain his momentum and eliminating Bryan would be the perfect way to do that, setting up Bryan/Rusev at Mania, with Bryan going over.

[ricksam]

why not add to the cena hate .. and wwe / authority not caring about what fans want .. so

brock wins over cena .. wwe looking to make brock the longest running champion (yes w like 4 appearances a year lol)

cena tosses db out of rumble ,, by accident ( or was it .. let the heel rumors begin again )

and cena wins rumble .. breaking all sorts of steaks .. tosses alot/ everyone out ??
squashing pushes like ziggler, cesaro, mizdow, rusev, ryback, and ascension .. and any nxt who step into the rumble

[hitman1116]

Daniel Bryan v. Lesnar- ultimate David v. Goliath
Cena v. Rusev
Rollins v. Ambrose v. Reigns for the briefcase
Triple H v. Sting
Ziggler v. Wyatt

Also how are we suppose to get the US Title off of Rusev? I mean he can lose to Cena but then is it going to be a non-title match? or how are they going to get it off of him before Mania.

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by hitman1116

Also how are we suppose to get the US Title off of Rusev? I mean he can lose to Cena but then is it going to be a non-title match?

This is why I don't think Cena is going to face Rusev at Mania. That belt throws a big monkey wrench into that plan. That US Title is going to Bryan, otherwise fans will scream for Bryan to get back in to the WWE Title picture...but he can't, it's too crowded right now and throwing Bryan in there will kill everyone else's push.

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by ricksam

why not add to the cena hate .. and wwe / authority not caring about what fans want .. so

brock wins over cena .. wwe looking to make brock the longest running champion (yes w like 4 appearances a year lol)

cena tosses db out of rumble ,, by accident ( or was it .. let the heel rumors begin again )

and cena wins rumble .. breaking all sorts of steaks .. tosses alot/ everyone out ??
squashing pushes like ziggler, cesaro, mizdow, rusev, ryback, and ascension .. and any nxt who step into the rumble

Brock won't be the longest reigning anything. His contract ends the week after Mania. Mania is his last match. The raw after Mania is his last appearance. WWE won't resign him, not when he'll be looking for 6-8 million+.

[celtics]

Originally Posted by nera20

the ascension got no pop at all last night never have been a big fan of them though, I am looking forward to zayn, balor, hideo I think they will get the crowd going

They didn't get booked correctly.

Are they bad guys or good guys? They fought a heal team but beat a guy the crowd cheers for on their first appearance. The crowd was just confused. They should've beat up a team like the Usos while they were celebrating or even the matadors to get them over and solidify them as bad guys.

Why have two bad guy teams fight each other?

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by celtics

They didn't get booked correctly.

Are they bad guys or good guys? They fought a heal team but beat a guy the crowd cheers for on their first appearance. The crowd was just confused. They should've beat up a team like the Usos while they were celebrating or even the matadors to get them over and solidify them as bad guys.

Why have two bad guy teams fight each other?

More than likely they left it ambiguous on purpose. WWE is so lost and confused, they probably booked The Ascension in this way to see if the crowd was leaning one way or another.

[mnvikingstwins]

Anybody else very excited for Jones Cormier?

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

Anybody else very excited for Jones Cormier?

this guy right here. got all my errands done early, so I can tune out the world and watch this. I wanna see how much of this was hype and how much is going to translate into a great fight.

[mnvikingstwins]

Impressive flurry to finish that one in final minute on FS1 prelims.

[mnvikingstwins]

Anybody want to do any trading? DDP, Sin Cara, and Honky Tonk Man WWE Chrome autos I'll trade for other WWE stuff.

[CharlieHustle]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that CM Punk's first UFC fight will be against the loser of the Marquardt/Tavares fight.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

With Bryan back, there is no babyface that is safely winning the Royal Rumble. Doesn't matter who it is, if Bryan doesn't win the fans will turn on them just like they boo'd Mysterio and turned on Bautista.

I can see the road to Wrestlemania working out like this:

- Daniel Bryan will win the Royal Rumble
- John Cena beats Brock Lesnar at RR, Rollins cashes in and is new champ.
- DB vs Rollins at WM, DB is champ again!
- Lesnar and Reigns will feud leading to a match at WM, Reigns goes over.
- Cena and Rusev will feud leading to match at WM, I wanna say Rusev wins but....
- HHH vs Sting

Then you have all your mid-card stuff; who knows what they do with Wyatt, Ziggler, Ambrose. Still rumors of Wyatt vs Undertaker, and maybe Ambrose turns heal now that Orton and Bryan are back and have Ambrose vs. Ziggler for IC title?

There are definitely some holes that need to be filled, such as where does Randy Orton fit into all this with him returning. He won't get a title shot, but we's not done feuding with the Authority. So does he terrorize the Authority up to and including their matches at WM, hitting RKO's outta nowhere?

The WM picture is finally starting to heat up and I feel the product will start getting better. This Raw wasn't that bad, the first time in a long time imo.

I think WWE should do something that haven't done since Mid WrestleMania...Mind blown time.

Bryan vs Rollins vs Reigns vs Lesnar for WWE World Title. Let Reigns go over Bryan in the end and start Reigns new role as WWE World Champ as a heel. Yes it's a quick turn but you really have no one to blame but yourself for putting Bryan in the Rumble match thus WrestleMania main event. Reigns is over as anyone as a face but with Ryback actually getting over they get a face back without losing one. Dean will still be the top face of the defunct Shield and Reigns can "Reign" as the top Heel as World Champ with Lesnar gone after WrestleMania and Orton is back to a face as well so pretty soon someone will have to turn and no better way than at the end of WrestleMania when the match is over and Reigns destroys Bryan to close out WM after winning the title and become the #1 guy and #1 heel.

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

I think WWE should do something that haven't done since Mid WrestleMania...Mind blown time.

Bryan vs Rollins vs Reigns vs Lesnar for WWE World Title. Let Reigns go over Bryan in the end and start Reigns new role as WWE World Champ as a heel. Yes it's a quick turn but you really have no one to blame but yourself for putting Bryan in the Rumble match thus WrestleMania main event. Reigns is over as anyone as a face but with Ryback actually getting over they get a face back without losing one. Dean will still be the top face of the defunct Shield and Reigns can "Reign" as the top Heel as World Champ with Lesnar gone after WrestleMania and Orton is back to a face as well so pretty soon someone will have to turn and no better way than at the end of WrestleMania when the match is over and Reigns destroys Bryan to close out WM after winning the title and become the #1 guy and #1 heel.

Fans were already expecting that Reigns is going to be given the belt at Mania. So, is the "mind blown" part, the fact that Reigns turns heel in the process?
If so, you would lose casual fans by the boat load. Mania is supposed to be a payoff to the fan for investing their time for a prolonged period of time. If you betray that payoff with a heel turn, those who invested their time into Reigns would stop watching/participating almost immediately. It would be a terrible business move.
Mania is supposed to be the end of the chapter, not the plot twist.

Also, if anyone wants to put a box of 2015 Topps WWE on it now, I'm game. I'll bet that Daniel Bryan comes nowhere close to the title picture for Wrestlemania. To clarify, I mean no Heavyweight Title and no WM Main Event. WWE is going to sidetrack Bryan until after Mania when there's a new round of NXT call-ups and heel/face turns. I'll even make a side bet and say that not only will Bryan NOT win the 2015 Royal Rumble, but he'll be eliminated before entrant #15. Whoever eliminates him, will be his opponent for WM31.

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by CharlieHustle

Fans were already expecting that Reigns is going to be given the belt at Mania. So, is the "mind blown" part, the fact that Reigns turns heel in the process?
If so, you would lose casual fans by the boat load. Mania is supposed to be a payoff to the fan for investing their time for a prolonged period of time. If you betray that payoff with a heel turn, those who invested their time into Reigns would stop watching/participating almost immediately. It would be a terrible business move.
Mania is supposed to be the end of the chapter, not the plot twist.

Also, if anyone wants to put a box of 2015 Topps WWE on it now, I'm game. I'll bet that Daniel Bryan comes nowhere close to the title picture for Wrestlemania. To clarify, I mean no Heavyweight Title and no WM Main Event. WWE is going to sidetrack Bryan until after Mania when there's a new round of NXT call-ups and heel/face turns. I'll even make a side bet and say that not only will Bryan NOT win the 2015 Royal Rumble, but he'll be eliminated before entrant #15. Whoever eliminates him, will be his opponent for WM31.

I was just thinking about this some more. To tack on to Bryan's Rumble story, I think he sells an early injury and the story then becomes "Daniel Bryan came back too soon, can he get healthy in time for Mania". This way, whoever eliminates him can still get their heat, but also it doesn't look like WWE is screwing Bryan. It just looks like he came back too early.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by CharlieHustle

Fans were already expecting that Reigns is going to be given the belt at Mania. So, is the "mind blown" part, the fact that Reigns turns heel in the process?
If so, you would lose casual fans by the boat load. Mania is supposed to be a payoff to the fan for investing their time for a prolonged period of time. If you betray that payoff with a heel turn, those who invested their time into Reigns would stop watching/participating almost immediately. It would be a terrible business move.
Mania is supposed to be the end of the chapter, not the plot twist.

Also, if anyone wants to put a box of 2015 Topps WWE on it now, I'm game. I'll bet that Daniel Bryan comes nowhere close to the title picture for Wrestlemania. To clarify, I mean no Heavyweight Title and no WM Main Event. WWE is going to sidetrack Bryan until after Mania when there's a new round of NXT call-ups and heel/face turns. I'll even make a side bet and say that not only will Bryan NOT win the 2015 Royal Rumble, but he'll be eliminated before entrant #15. Whoever eliminates him, will be his opponent for WM31.

I know it's far far far from the same but I remember a heel turn at WM 17 closing out WM, Again not comparing the two but if done the right away people will enjoy it and wonder what happens next.

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

I know it's far far far from the same but I remember a heel turn at WM 17 closing out WM, Again not comparing the two but if done the right away people will enjoy it and wonder what happens next.

Sure a heel turn to close out Mania, if done the right way, would blow the roof off the place. A Cena heel turn would implode wrestle chat forums all over the internet. Reigns, however, is not that guy. Fans are luke warm on him as a face, let alone turning him heel, regardless if he's using Daniel Bryan to steal heat from.
If Reigns turned heel at Mania, he would be the next Jack Swagger and finish his career in mid card purgatory.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by CharlieHustle

Sure a heel turn to close out Mania, if done the right way, would blow the roof off the place. A Cena heel turn would implode wrestle chat forums all over the internet. Reigns, however, is not that guy. Fans are luke warm on him as a face, let alone turning him heel, regardless if he's using Daniel Bryan to steal heat from.
If Reigns turned heel at Mania, he would be the next Jack Swagger and finish his career in mid card purgatory.

Reigns is better than swagger, May not be as good wrestler yet but he can get himself over as a heel or a face. Luke warm as a face? Some might argue he's no worse than top 2 face right now.

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

Reigns is better than swagger, May not be as good wrestler yet but he can get himself over as a heel or a face. Luke warm as a face? Some might argue he's no worse than top 2 face right now.

Daniel Bryan
John Cena
Dolph Ziggler
Dean Ambrose


At best, Reigns comes in at #5 right now.
As for the Swagger comment, I fully understand that Reigns is better than Swagger. My point is that turning Swagger face/heel/face/heel stalled his career out. Nobody takes him seriously anymore. He's a mid-carder for life. You can't turn guys based on nothing. It has to mean something, otherwise fans lose patience.

[ilovethelakings]

Originally Posted by CharlieHustle

Daniel Bryan
John Cena
Dolph Ziggler
Dean Ambrose


At best, Reigns comes in at #5 right now.
As for the Swagger comment, I fully understand that Reigns is better than Swagger. My point is that turning Swagger face/heel/face/heel stalled his career out. Nobody takes him seriously anymore. He's a mid-carder for life. You can't turn guys based on nothing. It has to mean something, otherwise fans lose patience.

But, but, but....Reigns won the Slammy for Superstar of the Year. That makes him #1, doesn't it?

[BoxBreaker72]

Just imagine if reigns eliminates Bryan to win the rumble... The fans may tear the building down.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by ilovethelakings

But, but, but....Reigns won the Slammy for Superstar of the Year. That makes him #1, doesn't it?

No one believes that.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by CharlieHustle

Daniel Bryan
John Cena
Dolph Ziggler
Dean Ambrose


At best, Reigns comes in at #5 right now.
As for the Swagger comment, I fully understand that Reigns is better than Swagger. My point is that turning Swagger face/heel/face/heel stalled his career out. Nobody takes him seriously anymore. He's a mid-carder for life. You can't turn guys based on nothing. It has to mean something, otherwise fans lose patience.

I would say he's more over than Cena and Ambrose for sure, could argue dolph but Bryan is easily tops of them all.