2015 Prospect Rush Draft Hit Parade

[HadWayTooMuch]

Originally Posted by Prospect Rush

UPDATE:


What a past couple days it has been. Customs issues have caused me to be in Buffalo for two days trying to get cases across the border. I literally spent 9 hours yesterday sitting in a parking lot waiting for my cases to clear. Finally at 11:10 pm last night I was able to cross the border and get more cases on the move.

I know some orders here on Blowout have been slowed due to this. We are upgrading all orders to overnight shipping at our expense. I'm very sorry for all the delays, we have now worked through it and future shipments this week shouldn't have any issues.

I have not read any of the thread since before opening night and don't expect to get that chance today as re-orders from dealers have been pouring in. I will say I did check all the opening night breaks and the value in those 5 cases was WAY over some of the #'s I've heard tossed around. Rush cases contain a ton of value from all the components, adding a few slab cards to give total case value is not even close.

For any questions, concerns, or comments you want answered directly please email us at info@prospectrush.com as my attention will not be focused in this thread for a while. I am now going to go attack my inbox here that is filling up.

REDEEMED REDEMPTIONS start shipping today!!!

Thanks to everyone who joined the breaks and good luck on the ones currently filling!

I thought the product was sold out? I don't understand how there could be re-orders.

[Prospect Rush]

UPDATE:

A few questions about instant win slabs.

All slabs are 9.5 or 9.5/10 unless noted on the redemption.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

I thought the product was sold out? I don't understand how there could be re-orders.

hmmmmmmmmm.

pump - pump, pump it up!

[dthimesch]

Originally Posted by cnewby

For the most part I agree. But it seems to be much closer to "majority of boxes are losers" than "not everyone can make money" like you state. You say "not all boxes will have a strong ROI" when in reality, very few boxes will have a strong ROI.

For the 9 hundredth billon trillionth time. Show me where Topps and Panini are any different

This is not directed at you cnewby. We now have 86 pages (4 pages are just the same 4 guys trashing the product ever chance they have for some malicious reason) of the same crap being rehashed by backers and opponents of the product. Around and around and around in the same circles. Pretty sure I am going to run my head into a wall by the end of the day.

Originally Posted by cyndeeg3

I sure thought that 1/2 of the product would be ripped by now. Are there group breaks on here that are going on all week?

Nobody here except Houdini has the product yet......

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

I thought the product was sold out? I don't understand how there could be re-orders.

Pretty sure Will never said anything about the product being sold out. He has told us his past products sold out. I could be wrong but don't remember seeing hi ever saying this was sold out.

[rednecksims]

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

I thought the product was sold out? I don't understand how there could be re-orders.

He is the Canadian distributor/dealer for his product you have to order directly from. Im sure if the cases are not selling in Canada he has/will reallocate the cases to the US market. Just a thought. Now if its reorder of 200 cases that might be a different story.

David

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by dthimesch

For the 9 hundredth billon trillionth time. Show me where Topps and Panini are any different

This is not directed at you cnewby. We now have 86 pages (4 pages are just the same 4 guys trashing the product ever chance they have for some malicious reason) of the same crap being rehashed by backers and opponents of the product. Around and around and around in the same circles. Pretty sure I am going to run my head into a wall by the end of the day.

I am in no way saying they are any different. Just responding to someone implying most, but not all boxes will have a strong ROI. That was misleading IMO.

[HadWayTooMuch]

Originally Posted by dthimesch

For the 9 hundredth billon trillionth time. Show me where Topps and Panini are any different

This is not directed at you cnewby. We now have 86 pages (4 pages are just the same 4 guys trashing the product ever chance they have for some malicious reason) of the same crap being rehashed by backers and opponents of the product. Around and around and around in the same circles. Pretty sure I am going to run my head into a wall by the end of the day. .

The difference, at least how I see it, is Topps and Panini create their own product. This is just someone buying up a bunch of stuff, repackaging it, and making a boatload of profit. All power to him for that, but let's stop comparing a company that produces product to a guy who was smart enough to buy their product and re-sell it.

[LSUNatChamps]

I don't have any issues with the Prospect Rush breaks. As a previous poster pointed out, the sheer cost and scale of a box/case make the actual ROI seem a lot more painful. My only comment is that I wish (and should have known based on the 250 case break) that there was less 2014 Draft and more variety. I understand Schwarber and Kolek are the big names, but I saw so many of their cards and Kris Bryant pulled in Houdini's breaks that it got old quickly. A little variety would have been nice, but maybe it's only a small bone to pick. There are certainly some other interesting names from past Draft sets that could have been included that weren't, even if only to mix it up a bit.

[dthimesch]

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

The difference, at least how I see it, is Topps and Panini create their own product. This is just someone buying up a bunch of stuff, repackaging it, and making a boatload of profit. All power to him for that, but let's stop comparing a company that produces product to a guy who was smart enough to buy their product and re-sell it.

Agreed on the difference, I get it, and I agree.

Regardless of the difference though, its a product to open and ROI are numbers that affect companies that produce their own stuff or repackaged stuff. Its numbers, numbers that can be compared, and in that comparison they are the same.

[wmelchior628]

Don't think he ever said they were sold out. BO might have sold out of their allotment, or maybe he didn't sell as many in Canada as he assumed.
Or maybe it is damage control because the popular opinion seems to be that these aren't as good as people thought. As I posted before: ROI does seem low on some boxes, but it still seems better to me than the ROI one would expect on ripping an equivalent amount of 14 draft cases - especially when you consider all the time and cash to sort, grade, store, etc.

To me ROI looks like the best for (in my example of comparing it to 14 Bowman Draft)

1. Lucky Prospect Rush Buyer (personal box or break)
2. Lucky Bowman Buyer (personal box or break)
3. Prospect Rush Business Owner
4. Topps
5. Bowman eBay breaker
6. Prospect Rush retailer
7. Bowman retailer
8. Prospect Rush breaker
9.Bowman Breaker
10. Someone who bought neither
11. medium luck prospect rush buyer
12. Medium luck bowman buyer
13. Low luck bowman buyer
14. No luck bowman buyer
15. Low luck Prospect Rush Buyer
16. No luck prospect rush buyer

[Cubsfanp]

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

The difference, at least how I see it, is Topps and Panini create their own product. This is just someone buying up a bunch of stuff, repackaging it, and making a boatload of profit. All power to him for that, but let's stop comparing a company that produces product to a guy who was smart enough to buy their product and re-sell it.

But isn't that what everyone is doing on the other side of the argument? I don't see the difference still. Even if we only compared ROI to other repack products, nothing changes.

[HadWayTooMuch]

Originally Posted by Cubsfanp

But isn't that what everyone is doing on the other side of the argument? I don't see the difference still. Even if we only compared ROI to other repack products, nothing changes.

One of the things that crosses my mind is this. I buy a case of Topps Jumbo for say $550. The odds are, I'm getting back between 50%-100% (unless I pull a huge hit then it's over 100%).

That's the average case, not a good one.

Here, an average case on a $2800 investment is what? $1000? $1200?

Huge difference if you think about it.

[RYBOWSKI97]

Originally Posted by dthimesch

Agreed on the difference, I get it, and I agree.

Regardless of the difference though, its a product to open and ROI are numbers that affect companies that produce their own stuff or repackaged stuff. Its numbers, numbers that can be compared, and in that comparison they are the same.

if you werent making any money on this you would feel different. they are all winners in your book cause you are coming out ahead no matter what/ end discussion.

[gorillaz]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

And many people would have pulled out less than $100 of SV.

Angering the masses even more.

I know I'd prefer that rather than $1000s.

[tonedef2oo8]

Prospector Crushed

[dthimesch]

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

One of the things that crosses my mind is this. I buy a case of Topps Jumbo for say $550. The odds are, I'm getting back between 50%-100% (unless I pull a huge hit then it's over 100%).

That's the average case, not a good one.

Here, an average case on a $2800 investment is what? $1000? $1200?

Huge difference if you think about it.

no way.

Originally Posted by RYBOWSKI97

if you werent making any money on this you would feel different. they are all winners in your book cause you are coming out ahead no matter what/ end discussion.

wrong.... and feel free to prove it. "/ end discussion"

[hychang5]

Originally Posted by RYBOWSKI97

if you werent making any money on this you would feel different. they are all winners in your book cause you are coming out ahead no matter what/ end discussion.

By your logic, then the people complaining must have lost money. How much have you sunk into this?

[Cubsfanp]

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

One of the things that crosses my mind is this. I buy a case of Topps Jumbo for say $550. The odds are, I'm getting back between 50%-100% (unless I pull a huge hit then it's over 100%).

That's the average case, not a good one.

Here, an average case on a $2800 investment is what? $1000? $1200?

Huge difference if you think about it.

When I think about it, it seems awful close. Especially considering your estimate average ROI on a PR case is low and your estimated average ROI on a Topps flagship jumbo 6 box case is high.

Break it down to the Box: 1 box of Topps flagship jumbo = $95? Most boxes yield about $40-$50 in value maybe? Plus you would need to do tons of sorting, packaging and listing singles to get that value. Plus - what are the chances of you pulling a $1000+ value card?

I am willing to bet the average PR ROI is close to - if not more than the example you bring up.

[dthimesch]

Originally Posted by hychang5

By your logic, then the people complaining must have lost money. How much have you sunk into this?

He has nothing to combat the lack of difference in ROI of this compared to Topps and Panini so all he does is attack others with different angles of his own taking out the numbers/facts (ROI) #trolling

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by dthimesch

He has nothing to combat the lack of difference in ROI of this compared to Topps and Panini so all he does is attack others with different angles of his own taking out the numbers/facts (ROI) #trolling

What does topps and panini have to do with this product? Can I go outside jump in my hyundai and then complain about the lack of gas miles in a ford? Not sure why some others bad habits is a point for some people here. I hear that panini also bought some fake cut autographs while cutting corners shall everyone now do the same? I mean after all they do it!

[edhou1]

[QUOTE=dthimesch;9344373]no way.

[QUOTE]

Hmmm...I bet BrentnBecca gets close to that if not that. But it requires breaking lots of cases, having loyal customers, and having the economies of scale to make listing/selling all the small inserts/subsets worthwhile.

[dthimesch]

Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

What does topps and panini have to do with this product? Can I go outside jump in my hyundai and then complain about the lack of gas miles in a ford? Not sure why some others bad habits is a point for some people here. I hear that panini also bought some fake cut autographs while cutting corners shall everyone now do the same? I mean after all they do it!

What does it have to do with it? How about that the same people over and over come in and bash it like it is in a league of its own. If you are going to trash how bad the ROI is on this stuff you can't act like its worse than Topps and Panini because its not. It has everything to do with it because it is no different and those trashing it are acting like it is different.

You can absolutely complain about the lack of gas miles in a ford compared to your hyundai because there is a difference in gas milage.

[HadWayTooMuch]

Originally Posted by dthimesch

no way.



wrong.... and feel free to prove it. "/ end discussion"

Seriously? You don't think you can get $275 back at a bare minimum for a 2015 Topps Baseball Jumbo Case? Series 2 is a no brainer with Bryant.

How about $20 per set and getting 5 sets? That's $100 right there.

You have 6 autos and 12 relics. Let's be conservative and say $6 each. That's over $100 right there.

Then you have all the gold, black, camo parallels. You have the inserts and extra cards. Not conservatively $75 for all of that?

And that's assuming you get NOTHING in the case. No moderately sized hits.

I think you are very wrong.

[dthimesch]

[QUOTE=edhou1;9344435][QUOTE=dthimesch;9344373]no way.

Hmmm...I bet BrentnBecca gets close to that if not that. But it requires breaking lots of cases, having loyal customers, and having the economies of scale to make listing/selling all the small inserts/subsets worthwhile.

exactly, you just added a ton of variables to make the product have a sustainable ROI. That is not what we are talking about in this case.

[Reverend Ghost]

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

Seriously? You don't think you can get $275 back at a bare minimum for a 2015 Topps Baseball Jumbo Case? Series 2 is a no brainer with Bryant.



How about $20 per set and getting 5 sets? That's $100 right there.



You have 6 autos and 12 relics. Let's be conservative and say $6 each. That's over $100 right there.



Then you have all the gold, black, camo parallels. You have the inserts and extra cards. Not conservatively $75 for all of that?



And that's assuming you get NOTHING in the case. No moderately sized hits.



I think you are very wrong.

Lol, conservative? 6/per relic and 6/per auto?? Even on release day, that's not realistic.