2015 Prospect Rush Draft Hit Parade

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

No one knows the buy back option that Blowout and other resale outlets negotiated. With a small company like PR, I would think BO would not want to be left holding the bag. . . and would include a return policy. If PR didn't agree to it, BO would not carry their future products, and PR would, as the "little guy" acquiesce. However, it is wholly likely that there won't be any future PR products.

The thread could exist because Blowout Makes $500-700 per box sold, not because they have dead inventory.

Bottom line: we don't know for sure.

Originally Posted by gabballplayer14

This is the impression I have been under this whole time. I do not think Blowout would put themselves at the mercy of ~$100,000 (say, 40 boxes) of inventory without a contingency plan in place.

Two reasons why I think you have to lean the way of Blowout on the hook.

(1) Will has sold to them in the past; and the last Prospect Rush release was a success (from a sell out standpoint). The relationship was strong enough where he was allowed a sticky thread for his product and if BO was getting that high a margin, the product would be severely worse (yes, worse). Margins on what's actually in the box would be crazy crazy crazy low.

(2) Will has vanished from the thread. If he had product left to sell, or was on the hook to sell, wouldn't it make sense for him to try and continue to promote the product?

[gabballplayer14]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Two reasons why I think you have to lean the way of Blowout on the hook.

(1) Will has sold to them in the past; and the last Prospect Rush release was a success (from a sell out standpoint). The relationship was strong enough where he was allowed a sticky thread for his product and if BO was getting that high a margin, the product would be severely worse (yes, worse). Margins on what's actually in the box would be crazy crazy crazy low.

(2) Will has vanished from the thread. If he had product left to sell, or was on the hook to sell, wouldn't it make sense for him to try and continue to promote the product?

Good point on both accounts; I just get the feeling that there has to be some type of arrangement set up, whether it is he reimburses half, buys it back for X amount, or whatnot. On your second point, maybe he knows it is too much of a poop-storm to come in here and try to defend himself and he is hoping the player and group breaks will continue to sell boxes.

I wish I knew more, but that was just what I have been thinking with this whole situation.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by gabballplayer14

Good point on both accounts; I just get the feeling that there has to be some type of arrangement set up, whether it is he reimburses half, buys it back for X amount, or whatnot. On your second point, maybe he knows it is too much of a poop-storm to come in here and try to defend himself and he is hoping the player and group breaks will continue to sell boxes.

I wish I knew more, but that was just what I have been thinking with this whole situation.

Storm or not, (let's say 75 boxes cracked out of 300 so far), if I had $625,000 worth of unopened inventory out there, that I might possibly be on the hook for, you can bet no matter how terrible the public may be perceiving it; I'm in here running promotions, discounts, highlighting big hits etc.

[gabballplayer14]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Storm or not, (let's say 75 boxes cracked out of 300 so far), if I had $625,000 worth of unopened inventory out there, that I might possibly be on the hook for, you can bet no matter how terrible the public may be perceiving it; I'm in here running promotions, discounts, highlighting big hits etc.

I agree 100% - maybe he also has aspirations of the remaining tickets not being found up until the National and then people forget how crappy it was and just start ripping to find the other tickets.

Either way, with this possibility, the tax implications, and the general hate being thrown his way, I do not envy his position right now.

[Andrew Jones]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Storm or not, (let's say 75 boxes cracked out of 300 so far), if I had $625,000 worth of unopened inventory out there, that I might possibly be on the hook for, you can bet no matter how terrible the public may be perceiving it; I'm in here running promotions, discounts, highlighting big hits etc.

Perhaps he's working on a backup plan. I wouldn't be shocked to see PR set up at The National with a bunch of boxes and promotions, prizes, etc. He already comped a guy a gem Nola orange refractor auto so I wouldn't rule out a "free" big card with each purchase of each Prospect Rush Draft box type of promotion at The National.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by gabballplayer14

I agree 100% - maybe he also has aspirations of the remaining tickets not being found up until the National and then people forget how crappy it was and just start ripping to find the other tickets.

Either way, with this possibility, the tax implications, and the general hate being thrown his way, I do not envy his position right now.

The trouble I have here is that he created this thread to promote his product. In this thread, he was responsive, answering questions, posting hits; and everyone was having a jolly good time. It was expected the product would sell quickly, everyone would have a great time cracking it, whether in group breaks or by themselves, and to cap off a successful release, the monster of all prospect cards would be given to one lucky person. Well, release day comes around, the breaks start and Will just disappears. No longer in the thread, no longer on the site, just goes away.

It bothers me most that Will, a guy that knows the market well, has been in this forum a long time and has bought a ton of cards knew this product would look the way it does before release. He pimped it, tried to hype it, knowing that half the hits were non autos, half the rest would be base autos, and most cases would come out big time losers (with not one single case coming out a possible winner sans the one that wins the Bryant).

I appreciate those that say Will delivered on what he said he would; I can understand that opinion. But if this were a good product, Will would be in here standing behind it; defending it and trying to show that yes, this is a good repack product, there's good value in here, and he did the absolute best he could.

Based on the breaks we've seen, I think it's fair to say Will (likely) found a way to double the money he invested in Prospect Rush draft. Good business, bad ethics.

[Hess687]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

The trouble I have here is that he created this thread to promote his product. In this thread, he was responsive, answering questions, posting hits; and everyone was having a jolly good time. It was expected the product would sell quickly, everyone would have a great time cracking it, whether in group breaks or by themselves, and to cap off a successful release, the monster of all prospect cards would be given to one lucky person. Well, release day comes around, the breaks start and Will just disappears. No longer in the thread, no longer on the site, just goes away.

It bothers me most that Will, a guy that knows the market well, has been in this forum a long time and has bought a ton of cards knew this product would look the way it does before release. He pimped it, tried to hype it, knowing that half the hits were non autos, half the rest would be base autos, and most cases would come out big time losers (with not one single case coming out a possible winner sans the one that wins the Bryant).

I appreciate those that say Will delivered on what he said he would; I can understand that opinion. But if this were a good product, Will would be in here standing behind it; defending it and trying to show that yes, this is a good repack product, there's good value in here, and he did the absolute best he could.

Based on the breaks we've seen, I think it's fair to say Will (likely) found a way to double the money he invested in Prospect Rush draft. Good business, bad ethics.

/thread......great summation of exactly what went on. Not much else too add to this thread after this.

[gabballplayer14]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

The trouble I have here is that he created this thread to promote his product. In this thread, he was responsive, answering questions, posting hits; and everyone was having a jolly good time. It was expected the product would sell quickly, everyone would have a great time cracking it, whether in group breaks or by themselves, and to cap off a successful release, the monster of all prospect cards would be given to one lucky person. Well, release day comes around, the breaks start and Will just disappears. No longer in the thread, no longer on the site, just goes away.

It bothers me most that Will, a guy that knows the market well, has been in this forum a long time and has bought a ton of cards knew this product would look the way it does before release. He pimped it, tried to hype it, knowing that half the hits were non autos, half the rest would be base autos, and most cases would come out big time losers (with not one single case coming out a possible winner sans the one that wins the Bryant).

I appreciate those that say Will delivered on what he said he would; I can understand that opinion. But if this were a good product, Will would be in here standing behind it; defending it and trying to show that yes, this is a good repack product, there's good value in here, and he did the absolute best he could.

Based on the breaks we've seen, I think it's fair to say Will (likely) found a way to double the money he invested in Prospect Rush draft. Good business, bad ethics.

I agree with everything you posted here, and it is a shame that this (the product and thread) has turned out the way it has.

[RYBOWSKI97]

Originally Posted by 220sports

The juice is gone in this thread and it's getting boring. Too much "accounting" talk! Where's all the pot-stirrers?! Come out of hiding! The Bob Loblaw/Need Chapmans fued is getting old!

its not worth it anymore, the money was already spent on this awful product. what is really sad is there will be some in here that would support another release, if there is one. i think most of the attention is also gone since topps 2 and archives came out with bryant rookies. Since everyone seems obsessed with roi, i had relatively poor breaks for topps series 2 yet per ebay prices just on the hits im sitting at over 55% roi.

[izybone]

Originally Posted by 220sports

The juice is gone in this thread and it's getting boring. Too much "accounting" talk! Where's all the pot-stirrers?! Come out of hiding! The Bob Loblaw/Need Chapmans fued is getting old!

Originally Posted by RYBOWSKI97

its not worth it anymore, the money was already spent on this awful product. what is really sad is there will be some in here that would support another release, if there is one. i think most of the attention is also gone since topps 2 and archives came out with bryant rookies. Since everyone seems obsessed with roi, i had relatively poor breaks for topps series 2 yet per ebay prices just on the hits im sitting at over 55% roi.

I love when you admit to being a troll...

[Hess687]

This is the thread that never ends.....it goes on and on my friends....some people starting posting in it not knowing what it was, so they just kept on posting in it, who knows? Just because.....

This is the thread that never ends.....

[gorillaz]

Sports card news on twitter:
https://twitter.com/SportsCardNews/s...10710872715264
"Canadian owner of "Prospect Rush" is unsure how to handle tax situation if U.S. citizen wins Kris Bryant Superfractor raffle at National."

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Originally Posted by gorillaz

Sports card news on twitter:
https://twitter.com/SportsCardNews/s...10710872715264
"Canadian owner of "Prospect Rush" is unsure how to handle tax situation if U.S. citizen wins Kris Bryant Superfractor raffle at National."

Nvm edit post

[Crazybella8]

Just my two cents into this never ending thread! I know in the retail market like a grocery store, when it comes to selling cards, the store doesn't pay for the cards unless they are sold! Then if there is any loss like theft then the store will pay a certain percentage of the loss! But if nothing sells then the distributor or maker takes the product back and the store pays nothing!
Not sure if this was mentioned or not, but I saw it being talked about and thought I would chime in!

[Bob Loblaw]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

The trouble I have here is that he created this thread to promote his product. In this thread, he was responsive, answering questions, posting hits; and everyone was having a jolly good time. It was expected the product would sell quickly, everyone would have a great time cracking it, whether in group breaks or by themselves, and to cap off a successful release, the monster of all prospect cards would be given to one lucky person. Well, release day comes around, the breaks start and Will just disappears. No longer in the thread, no longer on the site, just goes away.

It bothers me most that Will, a guy that knows the market well, has been in this forum a long time and has bought a ton of cards knew this product would look the way it does before release. He pimped it, tried to hype it, knowing that half the hits were non autos, half the rest would be base autos, and most cases would come out big time losers (with not one single case coming out a possible winner sans the one that wins the Bryant).

I appreciate those that say Will delivered on what he said he would; I can understand that opinion. But if this were a good product, Will would be in here standing behind it; defending it and trying to show that yes, this is a good repack product, there's good value in here, and he did the absolute best he could.

Based on the breaks we've seen, I think it's fair to say Will (likely) found a way to double the money he invested in Prospect Rush draft. Good business, bad ethics.

Say what you want to about Brian Gray - and I have - the man always stood behind his product and never took his ball and ran away.

[RYBOWSKI97]

Originally Posted by izybone

I love when you admit to being a troll...

dude i get it, your obsessed with me and calling people trolls. there is another member out here you should get together and go bowling with. you guys would make a cute couple.

[preakness]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

Say what you want to about Brian Gray - and I have - the man always stood behind his product and never took his ball and ran away.

He stood behind his stuff ...and at times wanted to include law suits

[220sports]

Originally Posted by izybone

I love when you admit to being a troll...

Just reading along and trying to have fun. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Bob Loblaw]

Originally Posted by preakness

He stood behind his stuff ...and at times wanted to include law suits

Mostly against me . . .

[RYBOWSKI97]

Originally Posted by 220sports

Just reading along and trying to have fun. Nothing more, nothing less.

hes talking to me, he is my forum stalker. never talked to him or tried making a deal with him. kinda freaky since he is from ohio also, a little too close for comfort.

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

The trouble I have here is that he created this thread to promote his product. In this thread, he was responsive, answering questions, posting hits; and everyone was having a jolly good time. It was expected the product would sell quickly, everyone would have a great time cracking it, whether in group breaks or by themselves, and to cap off a successful release, the monster of all prospect cards would be given to one lucky person. Well, release day comes around, the breaks start and Will just disappears. No longer in the thread, no longer on the site, just goes away.

It bothers me most that Will, a guy that knows the market well, has been in this forum a long time and has bought a ton of cards knew this product would look the way it does before release. He pimped it, tried to hype it, knowing that half the hits were non autos, half the rest would be base autos, and most cases would come out big time losers (with not one single case coming out a possible winner sans the one that wins the Bryant).

I appreciate those that say Will delivered on what he said he would; I can understand that opinion. But if this were a good product, Will would be in here standing behind it; defending it and trying to show that yes, this is a good repack product, there's good value in here, and he did the absolute best he could.

Based on the breaks we've seen, I think it's fair to say Will (likely) found a way to double the money he invested in Prospect Rush draft. Good business, bad ethics.

Epic post. Says everything that needs to be said.

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by RYBOWSKI97

hes talking to me, he is my forum stalker. never talked to him or tried making a deal with him. kinda freaky since he is from ohio also, a little too close for comfort.

When did you get your degree from IMAC University?

[izybone]

Originally Posted by 220sports

Just reading along and trying to have fun. Nothing more, nothing less.

It wasn't a dig at you. Just funny how you asked where all the trolls went and that guy pops up and even replies to your post about why he's not trolling anymore.

[izybone]

Originally Posted by RYBOWSKI97

dude i get it, your obsessed with me and calling people trolls. there is another member out here you should get together and go bowling with. you guys would make a cute couple.

I have no idea who you are. Get over yourself.

[preakness]

Will those carrying one of those pelican cases around at a show or LCS be branded as "suckers"