Beckett grading "subjectivity" is an outright lie.... - Page 2

Jaypers · 08-18-2015, 03:46 PM

I recently had a Manuel Margot Gold Auto with 9.5/9.5/10/10 subs and an "8" Auto (tiny smear below the autograph itself).

Decided to crack and re-submit it, on the offchance it could get a Pristine. Lo and behold, the subs scored lower this time, but the Auto went up to a "9".

Not gonna be trying that again anytime soon.

jewcer2k5 · 08-18-2015, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Since I expected 20-25 subs of 10, I could understand standard deviations from the mean. Maybe even 2 deviations. But if it was like only a couple subgrades hit 10, I'd feel super unlucky. ZERO is a whole different thing altogether.

Seems like you are overreacting by a lot. Thats basically saying any 14 cards in a large order will have some 10 subs. Do I need to waste time going through ALL my subs to find any 14 cards with out a 10 sub?

Im sure in my 250 card+ submissions that 80% were gems there are at least 100 cards with zero 10 subs.

JMPKCP · 08-18-2015, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

What was the breakdown of 9.5s, 9s and less on the overall grades?

I just don't consider 14 cards to be a large enough sample size to prove anything.

Oh there were 40 something 9.5s. My entire order looks like a 9.5 factory. At least 3 or 4 cards were QUAD 9.5s. That's what makes this so impossible to have ZERO 10s. If it was an order filled with 8s and 8.5s and 9s, then it would make sense.

JMPKCP · 08-18-2015, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

Heres something to consider. If all 10s this topic is not made.

Absolutely it would....if I submitted 14 cards and they all came back black label 10, that would seem just as weird as this no-ten submission.

awz50 · 08-18-2015, 03:49 PM

Grades are just dumb

chippv · 08-18-2015, 03:50 PM

If it makes you feel any better I think I submitted may 80-100 this last year and a half and received 2 10's. A chrome and a paper. Over time maybe a few hundred and have total of 3 10's. It happens. Next you are going to say you should have a 3-5% success rate on Black Labels

no10pin · 08-18-2015, 03:51 PM

Someone who used to work at Beckett gave a break-down of how the process works somewhere on the site. He mentioned a couple of times that the grader has no clue who the cards belong to. I just don't see what they would gain here by purposely undergrading. I have no doubt that you could get different grades by cracking and resubmitting, but that doesn't prove any kind of conspiracy, just inconsistency between graders.

JMPKCP · 08-18-2015, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by chippv

If it makes you feel any better I think I submitted may 80-100 this last year and a half and received 2 10's. A chrome and a paper. Over time maybe a few hundred and have total of 3 10's. It happens. Next you are going to saw you should have a 3-5% success rate on Black Labels

Bud, we aren't talking about cards getting a 10 pristine grade overall. We are talking SUBGRADES. Not a single 10 SUBGRADE.

poppincurbs · 08-18-2015, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Bud, we aren't talking about cards getting a 10 pristine grade overall. We are talking SUBGRADES. Not a single 10 SUBGRADE.

That is pretty shitty which is exactly why I don't give any of these people my money.

chippv · 08-18-2015, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Bud, we aren't talking about cards getting a 10 pristine grade overall. We are talking SUBGRADES. Not a single 10 SUBGRADE.

Sorry about that. Carry on with your rant.

RichardGasner · 08-18-2015, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Do I need to waste time going through ALL my subs to find any 14 cards with out a 10 sub?

This....

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Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Bud, we aren't talking about cards getting a 10 pristine grade overall. We are talking SUBGRADES. Not a single 10 SUBGRADE.

(Your #'s/stats would lead to 9.5 or 10 overall grades.)

This thread is disastrous. Imagine if your logic is correct. Why would 9.5's be worth so much more than 9's and 8.5's?

There's a valid reason why somebody would pay a premium for a BGS 9.5 over a 9/raw.

With your logic, if they were throwing out 10's like you're saying, they should be throwing 9.5's out like they were going out business.

If that were the case, then 99% of slabbed cards would be 9.5 or 10's, but they're not.

If they were, they would not demand the premium that they do.
I can go through my slabbed cards and show you 7.5's, 8's and 8.5's.

It's unfortunate that you didn't receive the grades that you wanted/hoped for/expected, but it happens. To you, me and everybody else.

Better luck next time...

death2redemptions · 08-18-2015, 03:59 PM

So what you're implying is that Beckett is out to get you?

asujbl · 08-18-2015, 04:00 PM

B+ thread so far. Keep it up.

EB31 · 08-18-2015, 04:00 PM

Did he really say he was going to go to the press?

JMPKCP · 08-18-2015, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by death2redemptions

So what you're implying is that Beckett is out to get you?

I'm implying that if I took 14 cards from 2015, put them on my lawn, and ran over them with the lawnmower, and then submitted them to Beckett, that it still would be impossible to not get a 10 subgrade (centering) on at least one card.

JMPKCP · 08-18-2015, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RichardGasner

This....

(Your #'s/stats would lead to 9.5 or 10 overall grades.)

This thread is disastrous. Imagine if your logic is correct. Why would 9.5's be worth so much more than 9's and 8.5's?

There's a valid reason why somebody would pay a premium for a BGS 9.5 over a 9/raw.

With your logic, if they were throwing out 10's like you're saying, they should be throwing 9.5's out like they were going out business.

If that were the case, then 99% of slabbed cards would be 9.5 or 10's, but they're not.

If they were, they would not demand the premium that they do.
I can go through my slabbed cards and show you 7.5's, 8's and 8.5's.

It's unfortunate that you didn't receive the grades that you wanted/hoped for/expected, but it happens. To you, me and everybody else.

Better luck next time...

Not at all upset with my grades....lots of gems on some really good cards. And quad gems are nice too. I'm upset with the subgrading. ZERO tens out of 56 possibilities is just not mathematically possible for modern cards with quality control.

asujbl · 08-18-2015, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Not at all upset with my grades....lots of gems on some really good cards. And quad gems are nice too. I'm upset with the subgrading. ZERO tens out of 56 possibilities is just not mathematically possible for modern cards with quality control.

Evidently it is possible

JMPKCP · 08-18-2015, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Evidently it is possible

Purposefully, yes. subjectively, no.

chris_ac · 08-18-2015, 04:04 PM

I had damage in my last order so I sent them back for re-slabbing at no charge and 2 cards were graded for free. They actually probably gave me a bump up in grading on one of them since I knew it had a surface blemish going in. How is that not subjective...

mfw13 · 08-18-2015, 04:05 PM

Who cares?

Anybody who submits fresh out of the pack cards to be graded is either a greedy flipper or a fool who likes to throw away money.

jewcer2k5 · 08-18-2015, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JMPKCP

I'm implying that if I took 14 cards from 2015, put them on my lawn, and ran over them with the lawnmower, and then submitted them to Beckett, that it still would be impossible to not get a 10 subgrade (centering) on at least one card.

Challenge.

jewcer2k5 · 08-18-2015, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

Who cares?

Anybody who submits fresh out of the pack cards to be graded is either a greedy flipper or a fool who likes to throw away money.

I think this is a horrible blanket statement. This is a BUSINESS to some of us and grading pack fresh cards is a way to increase the value of our merchandise. If you don't want maximum value for your product that is on you, not on me.

Should I just open cases upon cases of product and sell all the contents for less than maximum value so someone else can make more? From the other standpoint, if this is your hobby and you collect cards do you think that people like me grading cards doesn't make it possible to open more product to get more cards to you?

Hess687 · 08-18-2015, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EB31

Did he really say he was going to go to the press?

Nothing else to add.....

calculusdork · 08-18-2015, 04:23 PM

I did the math ... Beckett is definitely out to get OP. He should file a lawsuite.

JMPKCP · 08-18-2015, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

Who cares?

Anybody who submits fresh out of the pack cards to be graded is either a greedy flipper or a fool who likes to throw away money.

Wow, I found my new signature. Most naive thing Ive seen said on these boards in a long time.

08-18-2015, 03:46 PM	#26
Jaypers Bowman Scout Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: IL Posts: 51,715 cardboardconglomerate	I recently had a Manuel Margot Gold Auto with 9.5/9.5/10/10 subs and an "8" Auto (tiny smear below the autograph itself). Decided to crack and re-submit it, on the offchance it could get a Pristine. Lo and behold, the subs scored lower this time, but the Auto went up to a "9". Not gonna be trying that again anytime soon. __________________ Impervious to baiting.

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08-18-2015, 03:50 PM	#31
chippv Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 7,354	If it makes you feel any better I think I submitted may 80-100 this last year and a half and received 2 10's. A chrome and a paper. Over time maybe a few hundred and have total of 3 10's. It happens. Next you are going to say you should have a 3-5% success rate on Black Labels __________________ Always looking for Steelers, penguin and some pirate rookies Last edited by chippv; 08-18-2015 at 03:52 PM.

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asujbl Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 63,423 ohiosundevils	B+ thread so far. Keep it up. __________________ https://ohiosundevils.smugmug.com/ Browns/Cavs/Tribe/Buckeyes/Jackets/Devils TheFrenzy - “Blowout ain't a place for normies”

08-18-2015, 04:04 PM	#44
chris_ac Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,284	I had damage in my last order so I sent them back for re-slabbing at no charge and 2 cards were graded for free. They actually probably gave me a bump up in grading on one of them since I knew it had a surface blemish going in. How is that not subjective... __________________ PC (NFS/NFT): Anze Kopitar/Justin Jefferson/Victor Wembanyama IG: playerclector

08-18-2015, 03:51 PM	#32
no10pin Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 16,907 no10pin no10pin	Someone who used to work at Beckett gave a break-down of how the process works somewhere on the site. He mentioned a couple of times that the grader has no clue who the cards belong to. I just don't see what they would gain here by purposely undergrading. I have no doubt that you could get different grades by cracking and resubmitting, but that doesn't prove any kind of conspiracy, just inconsistency between graders.

08-18-2015, 03:59 PM	#37
death2redemptions Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Creeping in mama's cellar Posts: 59,303 ddavisaz	So what you're implying is that Beckett is out to get you?

08-18-2015, 04:00 PM	#39
EB31 Banned Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,314	Did he really say he was going to go to the press?

08-18-2015, 04:05 PM	#45
mfw13 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 17,657	Who cares? Anybody who submits fresh out of the pack cards to be graded is either a greedy flipper or a fool who likes to throw away money.

08-18-2015, 04:23 PM	#49
calculusdork Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Nowheresville Posts: 26,683 calculusdork calculusdork	I did the math ... Beckett is definitely out to get OP. He should file a lawsuite.