So I Just got Scammed by Prospect Rush.

[xbignick]

Again to those defending, the shipping was obviously not intentional but the case is his; he searched it, there's really no other explanation and then he lied about it. Shipping weight shows this. We have a fact to work back from. This was a mod investigation, granted an open one, and he lied during it.

[sjorgen5]

Originally Posted by iluvfish2

As long as the members are staying in communication, I dont foresee any reason for a ban. I'm a big fan of communication, most problems can be worked out, and in this case we have a statement that a case would be reshipped to him. Looks like a mistake happened, and its being fixed. From my standpoint this is what needs to happen and appears to be. Time to let this work itself out and we can go from there.

Originally Posted by iluvfish2

As far as ML/RP as I did state we need to let this work itself out first. Do I feel a banning is appropriate no. Will the other moderator staff; maybe. At that point we can and have in the past posted our opinions on the private side of things and will work out a plan of action.

I've read through and been following this thread in its entirety, took place in PR breaks, sold a chrome auto rainbow to Will that was accordingly placed into PR, and wanted to pull this back to the forefront...step 1 before any action is taken is to allow for resolution between afton and PR...I personally will reserve my own judgement on the matter until after that has been completed, and after seeing what next steps are taken by the Mods.

[gingerscards]

Originally Posted by sjorgen5

I've read through and been following this thread in its entirety, took place in PR breaks, sold a chrome auto rainbow to Will that was accordingly placed into PR, and wanted to pull this back to the forefront...step 1 before any action is taken is to allow for resolution between afton and PR...I personally will reserve my own judgement on the matter until after that has been completed, and after seeing what next steps are taken by the Mods.

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by sjorgen5

I've read through and been following this thread in its entirety, took place in PR breaks, sold a chrome auto rainbow to Will that was accordingly placed into PR, and wanted to pull this back to the forefront...step 1 before any action is taken is to allow for resolution between afton and PR...I personally will reserve my own judgement on the matter until after that has been completed, and after seeing what next steps are taken by the Mods.

I think this still misses the point. Let me ask you this - if Prospect Rush decided to send Afton 10 sealed cases (legit sealed cases) would all be well? In light of all of the other information provided in this thread regarding his sketchy ways, is there really anything he can do to redeem himself? If the answer is yes, then I (and 98% of the people in this thread) respectfully disagree.

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by xbignick

Again to those defending, the shipping was obviously not intentional but the case is his; he searched it, there's really no other explanation and then he lied about it. Shipping weight shows this. We have a fact to work back from. This was a mod investigation, granted an open one, and he lied during it.

I can't even feel comfortable agreeing with this. With all the evidence against Will from the last 10-12 years that has been presented in this thread, I would not be surprised to find out that Will intentionally shipped that exact case to Dave, not realizing that he was a member in high standing on this forum, in hopes that in the very worst case a "he said / she said" situation would arise between a forum nobody and himself. After all, Will has reacted this way before by raidersfan1983's admission.

[enbambam6986]

I'm sure the only reason prospect rush isn't banned is because the mod's would get in trouble if they banned a manufacturer. Their bosses wouldn't look good since they sold his product.

[callou2131]

Originally Posted by gingerscards

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Yeah, But No. As far as to why it was moved. This isnt a product issue - this is a member feedback and/or transaction issue which belongs in this area, not the hobby section. I didnt move it, but I can tell you this is where it belongs. This is essentially the same thing as a bad ebay or forum deal - if there's an issue it doent belong in the hobby section, it belongs in the member feedback section.

How is this a member feedback issue. The name is in Yellow. This is no where near a bad forum deal or a bad ebay deal. This is a company issue.

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by Halbert

At this point, to me, it's not about winning. It's just about doing the right thing.

Here is my take...........

I think what he's saying is the right thing to do was to give him the ban hammer before the storm hit. Sometimes doing the right thing is time sensitive, that time has apparently passed. Part of the issue here is people not coming forward with this stuff when it happens. Sure people don't want the headache of dealing with these types of threads.

When Will screwed over Raider it should have come forward. When Will took a month to get another member their cards from a sale/trade it should have been posted. Every person that comes forward with bad dealings with Will and never brought it to anyone's attention is partially to blame. At the very least it should have been brought to the attention of moderators so a record of this type of behavior could be established. Not wait until it gets this bad.

With that being said, Houdini shouldn't have been dealing with this issue to begin with and him stepping away (though late) was the best thing to do. Chapman's and Houdini BOTH took shots at each other, it happened, they both made their points. If its that big of an issue it should probably get taken to PM. though obviously if other members make posts concerning the issue between the two they are going to want to respond, its hard not to.

For people asking/complaining why it was moved. The thread was moved because it was a call out thread to a manufacturer but who is also a member. Not that hard to understand. Whether it was because it made the site look bad or not. It is pretty common for threads like this to get moved to the correct section.

In my opinion Will is getting the benefit of both sides of the fence. For being a manufacturer and for being a member. He's not banned yet because he is a manufacturer but his thread gets moved because he's a member. Regardless of what happens with Will, Blowout is a business and I hope they are taking this extremely seriously because its obvious it is now effecting their bottom line, sales.

Regardless of the Prospect Rush fiasco, the Prospect Rush account should be banned for the deal with Raiders. If indeed the bulk of the deal was done via PM on this site I cannot understand why it doesn't count. Even then, I am sure its not rare for members to get banned for bad dealings/scamming on facebook, ebay, or other trade sites. Unless there are more details we don't know about behind the scenes I cannot imagine a scenario where Will doesn't get banned if all these accusations are true, which it would appear they are.

[cjdelaney3]

Can I just point out that there was a time when member "Rule" was banned for being an idiot and posting about an ATM scam when he was in his teens? No scam on BO, and had 185 perfect transactions on blowout and over 600 on eBay.

One quote from that thread is "However, if he later scams someone here for $200, am I not partly responsible if I do nothing? (Morally, not legally.)"

So, how is this different?


http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/m...y-scams-s.html

[Boo]

Originally Posted by pejc300

I think this still misses the point. Let me ask you this - if Prospect Rush decided to send Afton 10 sealed cases (legit sealed cases) would all be well? In light of all of the other information provided in this thread regarding his sketchy ways, is there really anything he can do to redeem himself? If the answer is yes, then I (and 98% of the people in this thread) respectfully disagree.

To Afton, I'm sure. Wasn't he the one that cried about a terrible case of PR and got Will to send him a Nola orange ref auto? Then he buys a redemption from the same company that gave him crap for cards?

[dthimesch]

edit.....

Ill just stay out of this whole thing.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

Here is my take...........

I think what he's saying is the right thing to do was to give him the ban hammer before the storm hit. Sometimes doing the right thing is time sensitive, that time has apparently passed. Part of the issue here is people not coming forward with this stuff when it happens. Sure people don't want the headache of dealing with these types of threads.

When Will screwed over Raider it should have come forward. When Will took a month to get another member their cards from a sale/trade it should have been posted. Every person that comes forward with bad dealings with Will and never brought it to anyone's attention is partially to blame. At the very least it should have been brought to the attention of moderators so a record of this type of behavior could be established. Not wait until it gets this bad.

With that being said, Houdini shouldn't have been dealing with this issue to begin with and him stepping away (though late) was the best thing to do. Chapman's and Houdini BOTH took shots at each other, it happened, they both made their points. If its that big of an issue it should probably get taken to PM. though obviously if other members make posts concerning the issue between the two they are going to want to respond, its hard not to.

For people asking/complaining why it was moved. The thread was moved because it was a call out thread to a manufacturer but who is also a member. Not that hard to understand. Whether it was because it made the site look bad or not. It is pretty common for threads like this to get moved to the correct section.

In my opinion Will is getting the benefit of both sides of the fence. For being a manufacturer and for being a member. He's not banned yet because he is a manufacturer but his thread gets moved because he's a member. Regardless of what happens with Will, Blowout is a business and I hope they are taking this extremely seriously because its obvious it is now effecting their bottom line, sales.

Regardless of the Prospect Rush fiasco, the Prospect Rush account should be banned for the deal with Raiders. If indeed the bulk of the deal was done via PM on this site I cannot understand why it doesn't count. Even then, I am sure its not rare for members to get banned for bad dealings/scamming on facebook, ebay, or other trade sites. Unless there are more details we don't know about behind the scenes I cannot imagine a scenario where Will doesn't get banned if all these accusations are true, which it would appear they are.

Happens ALL the time!

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by enbambam6986

I'm sure the only reason prospect rush isn't banned is because the mod's would get in trouble if they banned a manufacturer. This bosses wouldn't look good since they sold his product.

I actually think the opposite is true. Blowout is taking the Panini approach of "ignore it and it will go away...deflect, deflect, deflect."

Imagine if Blowout came out with a statement and said something like this:

"Dear valued customers. It has come to our attention that one of the manufacturers that we recently conducted business with, Prospect Rush, has provided our customers with a less than acceptable product. In addition, it has been determined that the CEO - Mr. Will Sherrer - has engaged in unethical business practices and has demonstrated questionable character. We engaged in business with Prospect Rush in good faith and are disappointed in the results. Several of our respected customers have expressed displeasure with the situation and because we value and respect your business we have decided to temporarily suspend Prospect Rush from our forum while we investigate the matter further. Please be assured that if we determine the allegations to be true we will not engage in any future business with this manufacturer.

Respectfully,

Blowout Cards."

That's the kind of thing that will never happen, but I guarantee it would guarantee customers for life...

[groundsupport]

Found it.

His username was Aquariumobsessed in 2004.

I read 2 threads on 2 different forums by 2 different customers of his that he got down on.

I'll leave it up to you to google it. If you're bored enough to read 11 year old rants about fish tanks.

[enbambam6986]

Originally Posted by groundsupport

Found it.

His username was Aquariumobsessed in 2004.

I read 2 threads on 2 different forums by 2 different customers of his that he got down on.

I'll leave it up to you to google it. If you're bored enough to read 11 year old rants about fish tanks.

Was he banned? And what will he sell next? I think that would be a good thread in the off topic section

[fazzle]

Originally Posted by enbambam6986

Was he banned? And what will he sell next? I think that would be a good thread in the off topic section

Baseball cards under a different name

[Flkrsn5]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

Here is my take...........

I think what he's saying is the right thing to do was to give him the ban hammer before the storm hit. Sometimes doing the right thing is time sensitive, that time has apparently passed. Part of the issue here is people not coming forward with this stuff when it happens. Sure people don't want the headache of dealing with these types of threads.

When Will screwed over Raider it should have come forward. When Will took a month to get another member their cards from a sale/trade it should have been posted. Every person that comes forward with bad dealings with Will and never brought it to anyone's attention is partially to blame. At the very least it should have been brought to the attention of moderators so a record of this type of behavior could be established. Not wait until it gets this bad.

With that being said, Houdini shouldn't have been dealing with this issue to begin with and him stepping away (though late) was the best thing to do. Chapman's and Houdini BOTH took shots at each other, it happened, they both made their points. If its that big of an issue it should probably get taken to PM. though obviously if other members make posts concerning the issue between the two they are going to want to respond, its hard not to.

For people asking/complaining why it was moved. The thread was moved because it was a call out thread to a manufacturer but who is also a member. Not that hard to understand. Whether it was because it made the site look bad or not. It is pretty common for threads like this to get moved to the correct section.

In my opinion Will is getting the benefit of both sides of the fence. For being a manufacturer and for being a member. He's not banned yet because he is a manufacturer but his thread gets moved because he's a member. Regardless of what happens with Will, Blowout is a business and I hope they are taking this extremely seriously because its obvious it is now effecting their bottom line, sales.

Regardless of the Prospect Rush fiasco, the Prospect Rush account should be banned for the deal with Raiders. If indeed the bulk of the deal was done via PM on this site I cannot understand why it doesn't count. Even then, I am sure its not rare for members to get banned for bad dealings/scamming on facebook, ebay, or other trade sites. Unless there are more details we don't know about behind the scenes I cannot imagine a scenario where Will doesn't get banned if all these accusations are true, which it would appear they are.

Yes! BUT, he is the MANUFACTURER!!! Forget the fact he is a member for a second. I'm pretty sure if this were Topps or any other manufacturer it wouldn't have moved from hobby talk to this if they were members of BO. It wasn't like the scenario went: PR sold this redemption to Afton directly through a PM or the sale/trade section, then Afton received the case that has been tampered with. It leans more towards an issue with the manufacturer that also happens to be a member, and Afton posted it as anyone else would if they had issues with Topps or any other manufacturer. Either way this is a small fraction of the arguement, and regardless of the reason, it still puts a bad taste in the mouths of many.

[DSizzle31]

Originally Posted by Flkrsn5

Yes! BUT, he is the MANUFACTURER!!! Forget the fact he is a member for a second. I'm pretty sure if this were Topps or any other manufacturer it wouldn't have moved from hobby talk to this if they were members of BO. It wasn't like the scenario went: PR sold this redemption to Afton directly on the boards, Afton received a case that has been tampered with. It leans more towards an issue with the manufacturer that also happens to be a member. Either way this is a small fraction of the arguement, and regardless of the reason, it still puts a bad taste in the mouths of many.

I don't get why so many people are complaining about the thread being moved. It's at 24 pages in less than 2 days. Plenty of eyeballs are seeing it. Does it really matter what section it's in? You want 100 pages? The section the thread is in seems totally inconsequential to me. It could be argued that it belongs in the Baseball section or Member Feedback. They made the call. Let's focus on things that matter.

[gingerscards]

Originally Posted by Flkrsn5

Yes! BUT, he is the MANUFACTURER!!! Forget the fact he is a member for a second. I'm pretty sure if this were Topps or any other manufacturer it wouldn't have moved from hobby talk to this if they were members of BO. It wasn't like the scenario went: PR sold this redemption to Afton directly on the boards, Afton received a case that has been tampered with. It leans more towards an issue with the manufacturer that also happens to be a member. Either way this is a small fraction of the arguement, and regardless of the reason, it still puts a bad taste in the mouths of many.

I could be mistaken, but I think PR did not sell the redemption to Afton, I think Afton stated in one of his post that he purchased the redemption off another member here, PR only got involved when it got redeemed by Afton and was sent a search open case that was supposed to be a factory sealed case.

I think the Mods and BO are just waiting on the Afton to get his replacement case and paid for the bad case to be returned, once that is done and ok, they will address the next step and main issue ( PR aka Will ). It is obvious by now the forum members think Will is a scam artist and Will himself has issues going back to 2004 that back up this claim of him being a scam artist.

[enbambam6986]

Originally Posted by DSizzle31

I don't get why so many people are complaining about the thread being moved. It's at 24 pages in less than 2 days. Plenty of eyeballs are seeing it. Does it really matter what section it's in? You want 100 pages? The section the thread is in seems totally inconsequential to me. It could be argued that it belongs in the Baseball section or Member Feedback. They made the call. Let's focus on things that matter.

People are complaining because the mod's are treating Will like a manufacturer, not a member

[raidersfan1983]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

I can't even feel comfortable agreeing with this. With all the evidence against Will from the last 10-12 years that has been presented in this thread, I would not be surprised to find out that Will intentionally shipped that exact case to Dave, not realizing that he was a member in high standing on this forum, in hopes that in the very worst case a "he said / she said" situation would arise between a forum nobody and himself. After all, Will has reacted this way before by raidersfan1983's admission.

Trying to stay out of the fray but be nice, my 3600+ posts and 200+ itrader and interactions with almost everyone on this thread at one point or another shouldn't qualify me as a forum nobody. Just one that decided he didn't want to be involved in the headache he knew would occur (and has occurred in this thread) if he posted his story which I already wanted to forget about and just move on from. To be honest with everyone I felt a bit guilty for not saying anything seeing some of the other things that will had been accused of. To clarify, and it was stated to the mods, tmy deal was conducted almost entirely through blowout messages which I have told the mods they are free to look through as I have kept all of them in my inbox and/or sent folder. At the end of the day it is my feeling that the mods will ultimately act in the manner in which they think are best for the BO community, regardless of what management may or may not offer for sale. I have deferred to houds and he has deferred to the other mods to make the ultimate decision on what happens moving forward. I wish I never went through the situation but I did, looking back I wish I would have brought it up when it happened (maybe it was pride, bruised ego, feeling a bit embarrassed I put myself in the situation or all of the above), I wish that I knew about wills past misdeeds. As it stands now I am hopefully that this whole situation opens enough eyes that at least no one on these forums will be taken for the ride it seems many (including myself) have been out through by will.

[DSizzle31]

Originally Posted by enbambam6986

People are complaining because the mod's are treating Will like a manufacturer, not a member

He's both so it's their call where to put the thread.

[Flkrsn5]

Originally Posted by DSizzle31

I don't get why so many people are complaining about the thread being moved. It's at 24 pages in less than 2 days. Plenty of eyeballs are seeing it. Does it really matter what section it's in? You want 100 pages? The section the thread is in seems totally inconsequential to me. It could be argued that it belongs in the Baseball section or Member Feedback. They made the call. Let's focus on things that matter.

I think it's the fact that it raises more eybrows. It really is small potatoes, but just another reason for many to question BOs position on the matter in my opinion. Either way, I understand it's hard to seperate the two (manfacturer/member), but it might make things easier. If actions are being taken on "Mike," there needs to be acxtions taken on "Prospect Rush" (the manufacturer).

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by pejc300

I think this still misses the point. Let me ask you this - if Prospect Rush decided to send Afton 10 sealed cases (legit sealed cases) would all be well? In light of all of the other information provided in this thread regarding his sketchy ways, is there really anything he can do to redeem himself? If the answer is yes, then I (and 98% of the people in this thread) respectfully disagree.

No you ban him anyway, but do not do it before this matter is resolved. Doing it now decreases the chances the OPs situation gets resolved.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Flkrsn5

I think it's the fact that it raises more eybrows. It really is small potatoes, but just another reason for many to question BOs position on the matter in my opinion. Either way, I understand it's hard to seperate the two (manfacturer/member), but it might make things easier. If actions are being taken on "Mike," there needs to be acxtions taken on "Prospect Rush" (the manufacturer).

No it's not. What does it say right under your username? What does it say under PRs?