Ohtani Guilt-O-Meter

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

He “willingly” left his home country to make nearly a billion dollars over here.

No American baseball fan “owes” him a damn thing.

He left his home country to get paid relative peanuts by the Angels. He got paid less than $10 million total his first four seasons, including his first MVP season. He could have waited a couple of years and got paid hundreds of millions more.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

Willingly, hardly where else could he make the money he is making now.,Where else could he get the double standard of being forgiven because he’s not from here. I hope he is innocent of any wrongdoing but I will say one thing, new balance already seems to think he’s innocent as the commercial is still seen nightly.

What is there to forgive? At this point, he has committed no crime or broken no rule. Even if he illegally paid off his interpreter's gambling debt, it was a victimless crime.

[cnewby]

Guilty!

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

What is there to forgive? At this point, he has committed no crime or broken no rule. Even if he illegally paid off his interpreter's gambling debt, it was a victimless crime.

We won’t know whether there was anything to forgive but when other players in any sport are under investigation it seems their commercials disappear until there is a conclusion. We will never get the truth because baseball can’t handle the possible truth. It seems with all the supposed new faces of the game being involved in scandal the commissioner of the league obviously feels they can’t afford to lose Ohtani also.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

He left his home country to get paid relative peanuts by the Angels. He got paid less than $10 million total his first four seasons, including his first MVP season. He could have waited a couple of years and got paid hundreds of millions more.

So the your argument is he only got paid 10 million before he signed his 700 million contract but he could have waited a couple more years to get paid hundreds of millions? Like what, 4 years or so?

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

So the your argument is he only got paid 10 million before he signed his 700 million contract but he could have waited a couple more years to get paid hundreds of millions? Like what, 4 years or so?

The idea that Ohtani “did American fans a favor” by coming to play here and we owe him some debt is a level of sycophancy I’ve never seen in all my years of Blowout.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

So the your argument is he only got paid 10 million before he signed his 700 million contract but he could have waited a couple more years to get paid hundreds of millions? Like what, 4 years or so?

Two years -- he needed to be 25 to sign as an international free-agent. He got paid $30 million in 2023, so the Angels paid him a total of $39.69 million.

He could have gotten paid $30 million each in 2021 and 2022, instead of the $7.5 million he actually got paid.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Two years -- he needed to be 25 to sign as an international free-agent. He got paid $30 million in 2023, so the Angels paid him a total of $39.69 million.

He could have gotten paid $30 million each in 2021 and 2022, instead of the $7.5 million he actually got paid.

And other players haven’t been short changed regardless of where they are from, you can’t have it both ways. What would his salary be if he stayed in Japan regardless of what he did, certainly not the 700 million he is making now.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Two years -- he needed to be 25 to sign as an international free-agent. He got paid $30 million in 2023, so the Angels paid him a total of $39.69 million.

He could have gotten paid $30 million each in 2021 and 2022, instead of the $7.5 million he actually got paid.

He could have stayed in Japan and played baseball. He made a choice, he wasn't forced to do anything. He isn't owed any more or less respect than any other player.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Two years -- he needed to be 25 to sign as an international free-agent. He got paid $30 million in 2023, so the Angels paid him a total of $39.69 million.

He could have gotten paid $30 million each in 2021 and 2022, instead of the $7.5 million he actually got paid.

Maths aren’t mathing, here.

Hundreds of millions.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Maths aren’t mathing, here.

Hundreds of millions.

He could have signed a free-agent contract that paid him hundreds of millions for 6 seasons, instead of signing for league minimum. In terms of 2021-2022, he could have been paid $50 million more, based on his one-year contract for his last arbitration-eligible season with the Angels

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

As an American baseball fan, I think it's important to show proper respect to Ohtani. He lives and breaths baseball and willingly left his home country to perform in north America. We shouldn't drag him through the mud just because he lives a secretive life and has been dealing with a recent scandal. Let's wait for the facts to come out and then we can make judgements on him.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

And other players haven’t been short changed regardless of where they are from, you can’t have it both ways. What would his salary be if he stayed in Japan regardless of what he did, certainly not the 700 million he is making now.

He makes many millions from endorsements in Japan. Baseball is a bigger deal in Japan than in the US -- he's a national icon there.

[TheFrenzy]

I wouldn’t have a problem with anyone signing contracts for a half-billion or more be required to mow the stadium grass and give back rubs to the fans sitting behind home plate.

I’m certainly not going to treat them with kid gloves.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

He could have signed a free-agent contract that paid him hundreds of millions for 6 seasons, instead of signing for league minimum. In terms of 2021-2022, he could have been paid $50 million more, based on his one-year contract for his last arbitration-eligible season with the Angels

I know what you’re saying.

It just goes against the laws of arithmetics.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

Aren't I doing the opposite? Trying to tamp down negative attention?

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Aren't I doing the opposite? Trying to tamp down negative attention?

You certainly are.

But the Streisand Effect is now at work.

[TheFrenzy]

Side question: I wonder how many times this thread has been reported?

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

I know what you’re saying.

It just goes against the laws of arithmetics.

Huh? Please explain. I essentially said he could have gotten hundreds of millions over the four seasons in which he was paid less than $40 million by the Angels. Are you disputing this?:

Dec 11, 2017

But if he'd waited just two years he could have come as an unrestricted free agent, and most likely scored a contract guaranteeing him $200 million or more.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...all-mike-trout

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

You certainly are.

But the Streisand Effect is now at work.

That's because of your reaction to my comments -- not because of my comments. You guys are trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Huh? Please explain. I essentially said he could have gotten hundreds of millions over the four seasons in which he was paid less than $40 million by the Angels. Are you disputing this?:

Dec 11, 2017

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...all-mike-trout

So he could have gotten a 200 million dollar deal that paid him hundreds of millions more than his 700 million dollar deal?

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

So he could have gotten a 200 million dollar deal that paid him hundreds of millions more than his 700 million dollar deal?

His $700 million deal -- which is nearly all deferred and inflated due to the deferring of money -- wouldn't have come until his second MLB deal, after he had showed he was the best player in the game and worthy of a historic contract.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

He makes many millions from endorsements in Japan. Baseball is a bigger deal in Japan than in the US -- he's a national icon there.

Only became an icon there because he came to America. The endorsement money didn’t really amount to much until he left Japan. Baseball is a bigger deal in Japan, then why don’t they pay their stars enough to make them want to stay.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

His $700 million deal -- which is nearly all deferred and inflated due to the deferring of money -- wouldn't have come until his second MLB deal, after he had showed he was the best player in the game and worthy of a historic contract.

Anointing him as the best player in the game is your opinion, just because he pitches and hits does not automatically make him the best player in the game as he is not the best in either area.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

His $700 million deal -- which is nearly all deferred and inflated due to the deferring of money -- wouldn't have come until his second MLB deal, after he had showed he was the best player in the game and worthy of a historic contract.

So we are acting like signing a $200 million deal two years ago, is better than him signing a $700 million deal.

That’s peak revisionist.