Michael Jordan RC, PSA 10, shatters 100k !!!

[Gridiron Bob]

Doesn't a rise or dip in prices mean there is a lot of buying/selling activity? I mean, even if the prices are dropping, there is still buying/selling going on.

[colbycolbycolby]

An SGC 9.5 sells way better than a PSA 9 or a BGS 9. So SGC is in fact a very viable option. Don't let people poo poo on SGC because the sales are there to back them up as a strong number 3.

[interestingcool]

Originally Posted by Slvnumber2

There is genuine excitement and there is pumping, shilling, promoting.... Excitement is being happy the card is doing well, and watching cards reach new heights because you like the player, your own card values go up... I love it when Mantle’s, Ryan’s, unopened, Jordan’s go up because I benefit if I ever sell.

What goes on in this thread, on YouTube, social media is manipulation and color me as someone who does not like people who take advantage of others. Gary V does it, Vegas Dave does it, people on this board do it like on this thread when they pump cards and are wrong. Our hobby is an unregulated industry where people make a lot of money using fake sales (mantle at $1.6 million, sales to buddies to create new price ceilings artificially which creates a new pricing narrative of cards they own a ton of and are ready to dump.

Once they pull this scam everyone starts talking about “this card went for this much” so people start panicking and rush out to buy it before they miss out on it. Maybe like a card going from $200k to $700k plus. The guys who act like gurus on the internet and YouTube tell everyone to buy this card (which they own multiple copies of) after they have driven the price up. While everyone is buying at the frenzy they are dumping their copies flooding the market. They cash out while everyone wonders “this card was $30k plus two weeks ago so why when I sell it now it is only going for $18k.

While people were pumping the Jordan at that time I was suggesting caution and sure enough the last several sales were $17k, $18k, $15k, $17k when a week ago there were $24k, $30k... Even some rationalized that the floor was raised up so even if it drops to $10k it is higher now for everyone. Really? Some of you were pushing the 8’s would hit $50k, and don’t believe me go back and look at the posts in this thread 10 days ago.

I am not a negative Nancy and love Jordan. I have unopened snd unworn shoes still in the box, Jordan apparel, stock in his company and tons of his cards. Unlike what some of your portray with your posts I want to see him do well because I benefit big time. What I don’t like is people scheming and trying to take advantage of newbies by making false claims so you can prey on them and sell. Promoting a card going to stupid numbers so people think they are getting a deal at $30k so your buddies can sell their cards or you can sell them is dirty. People need to do their homework before following the “experts” on here trying to push prices that are not real. It is a great card (rookie) and best card in the hobby and the Star cards might outpace it - especially if PSA pulls the trigger on grading them which scuttlebutt is the new management is considering it. Just because someone does not buy into your cheerleading does not mean they are anti Jordan. It means some of us are anti ripping people off and hoodwinking them, and maybe my words can help some collectors not get burned because there are some bad apples in the hobby that take advantage of people. If you don’t participate in these actions you have nothing to worry about, and if the words hit close to home take a look in the mirror.

The 8's WILL hit 50k.. eventually

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by interestingcool

The 8's WILL hit 50k.. eventually

all 8s or just the nicely centered 8s?

[kefskala]

Originally Posted by interestingcool

The 8's WILL hit 50k.. eventually

dont believe you are pumping a psa 8 and make some new babie pay 25K....how dare you make such an insane prediction...you will have the jordan police come after you...hahaha

[FT35]

I wish someone had pumped up a Jordan rookie on me this time last year!!!

[kefskala]

even the 1990 hoops sam vincent psa 10 has popped. i was buying this card for 50.00 as a novelty only because i loved the story behind it. We all need to have full disclosure now. I dont want anyone to think im pumping...Im not advising for any one to buy it. It used to be a fun place around here. Feel as if gov. coumo has taken over....

[Slvnumber2]

Originally Posted by interestingcool

The 8's WILL hit 50k.. eventually

Possibly. We had people 20-30 pages ago saying this is hitting a million and 8’s will be at $48k - just go back and read for anyone that doubts it. Plain to see in black and white back during the Goldin auction.

Notice nobody refutes what I say (they just whine and call names), but I said it is the greatest basketball card to buy and it is going up due to market forces as well as manipulation. These things are not mutually exclusive, and if anyone wanted to collect and invest in basketball cards tell me why the following are not true.

* the Jordan rookie is the best long term hold hands down

* people are pumping and manipulating this card for financial gain at the
Expense of others.

* I predicted during the two Goldin auctions(to much jeering and screaming) this was a pump and dump and they would start coming down quickly. 8’s are dropping fast and Heritage had a better 10 which went for close to 20% less than the previous Goldin one.

[Slvnumber2]

Originally Posted by Gridiron Bob

Doesn't a rise or dip in prices mean there is a lot of buying/selling activity? I mean, even if the prices are dropping, there is still buying/selling going on.

Yes but you were seeing 4-6 per day in PSA 8 and now 1-2 sales per day with lower prices.

[Brent72]

Originally Posted by Slvnumber2

Possibly. We had people 20-30 pages ago saying this is hitting a million and 8’s will be at $48k - just go back and read for anyone that doubts it. Plain to see in black and white back during the Goldin auction.

Notice nobody refutes what I say (they just whine and call names), but I said it is the greatest basketball card to buy and it is going up due to market forces as well as manipulation. These things are not mutually exclusive, and if anyone wanted to collect and invest in basketball cards tell me why the following are not true.

* the Jordan rookie is the best long term hold hands down

* people are pumping and manipulating this card for financial gain at the
Expense of others.

* I predicted during the two Goldin auctions(to much jeering and screaming) this was a pump and dump and they would start coming down quickly. 8’s are dropping fast and Heritage had a better 10 which went for close to 20% less than the previous Goldin one.

Are you one of those people who just wants everyone to tell you that you're right so you can feel better about yourself? Good Lord, just let it go.

[kefskala]

Originally Posted by kefskala

card will eventually be a million dollar card.....two months or in two years it will hit it...

yes i did and here is my post...please dont take words out of context.....this is my last reply to your posts....just wanted to prove a point you post false information all the time.....

[dumars2001]

Originally Posted by mc1

Someone mentioned in another thread

Bad corners ? Send to BGS
Bad centering? Send to PSA

PSA will kill you on bad corners but is more forgiving on centering. BGS is more lenient on corners. That said, Ive seen cards that could be 7-8s end up in PSA 9 slabs.

Wow, 7"s & 8's ending up with a PSA 9!

[Slvnumber2]

Originally Posted by Foo3112

I feel what we are seeing right now is that bidding is getting more aggressive since it's no doubt that card is projected to be the next million dollar card in many peoples eyes. Everyone who REALLY wants one is making sure to put in their highest bids before we actually see that number. I am thinking that we may even see it hit 1,000,000 quicker than what it took to get to the first 500K when it truly took off and never looked back (meaning under a year at this rate).

Did I say you said it would hit a million in my thread? No - I said people in the thread made that statement and above is the post. You keep crying again in this thread and still wrong - you almost had me didn’t you



That PSA 8 prediction at $48k is going the wrong direction, but don’t worry pumpers. It Just means if you are patient you can get it near the floor our buddy said it was going to at around $10k. Last 4-5 sales have seen the 8’s drop from $28-31k to under $20k - trend line is down to $15k range. Might be in the $10-12k range in a week or two so some bargains will possibly be out there.

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by Slvnumber2

That PSA 8 prediction at $48k is going the wrong direction, but don’t worry pumpers. It Just means if you are patient you can get it near the floor our buddy said it was going to at around $10k. Last 4-5 sales have seen the 8’s drop from $28-31k to under $20k - trend line is down to $15k range. Might be in the $10-12k range in a week or two so some bargains will possibly be out there.

You seem pretty salty.

You are aware that not every 8 is the same.... correct?

Some are quite OC and those will sell for less. Let's see where a couple nice ones end before we start to decide that PSA 8s are trash.

[Brent72]

Don't validate him with a response.

[vintg]

Originally Posted by Slvnumber2

Did I say you said it would hit a million in my thread? No - I said people in the thread made that statement and above is the post. You keep crying again in this thread and still wrong - you almost had me didn’t you



That PSA 8 prediction at $48k is going the wrong direction, but don’t worry pumpers. It Just means if you are patient you can get it near the floor our buddy said it was going to at around $10k. Last 4-5 sales have seen the 8’s drop from $28-31k to under $20k - trend line is down to $15k range. Might be in the $10-12k range in a week or two so some bargains will possibly be out there.

you conveniently left out the three OTHER sales on 2/14/2021

$ 18,100
$ 17,701
$ 19,600

of course, that wouldn't have fit your "trend line 15k range" NARRATIVE

as far as your 10k to 12k range in a week or two, ive come to 2 conclusions:

#1) your actually an "anti-pumper" hoping to knock the card down and panic people , so you, yourself have buying opportunities

#2) you're just a jacka$$

[FT35]

Originally Posted by vintg

#1) your actually an "anti-pumper" hoping to knock the card down and panic people , so you, yourself have buying opportunities

#2) you're just a jacka$$

#3) sold early.

[kefskala]

lets all put this guy aside and move on, he is like a 4 year old, the more attention you give him the more he thrives... just ignore and we can all continue to have logical conversations.....with out fake or inaccurate assumptions where we have to debunk everything...

[dumars2001]

I have zero doubts that this card will continue to go up in value for many reasons. One, MJ is probably the greatest international sports star/athlete to ever live. Two, he has his own jordan brand company and owns an NBA team, so he still connects with this generation. Three, his fleer rookie card is considered this generation"s grail and every single collector wants to own and have one in their collection, four although there is around a little more than 30,000 of these cards of him across the 3 big grading companies, the last time, I ckecked, there is almost 8 billion people in the world right now, granted not everyone collects cards but every card collector that I know, wants to own this card and there are loads of new collectors coming into the hobby, especially young collectors. Five, they are not printing these anymore, so as more and more get bought up after this current market flood, most collectors are going to hang onto them, so they will begin to dry up soon. Basically what I am saying is this is the most wanted card in the hobby by most collectors, especially by the new collectors. The card might come down a little, but it will go back up one day. MJ is the most iconic athlete of all time (there will be a movie about his life one day) and he has the most iconic card in the whole industry. In my humble opinion, his cards are going to maintain its value and I truly believe no matter the population report of this card, it will eventually dry up and continue to go up in value. I am the first to admit, that i may be wrong, but I feel as strong about this card, to equate it to the same way Morpheus felt about Neo being "The one."

[CelticsGuy]

Originally Posted by vintg

you conveniently left out the three OTHER sales on 2/14/2021

$ 18,100
$ 17,701
$ 19,600

of course, that wouldn't have fit your "trend line 15k range" NARRATIVE

as far as your 10k to 12k range in a week or two, ive come to 2 conclusions:

#1) your actually an "anti-pumper" hoping to knock the card down and panic people , so you, yourself have buying opportunities

#2) you're just a jacka$$

and what about heritage, goldin and other auction houses...those count too.

[Indians131184]

Is this pwcc mj trimmed? The left top corner angled up makes it look like the top edge was cut 95% of the way. Any thoughts? Does this flip occur naturally? Any help would be appreciated.





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[kefskala]

Originally Posted by kefskala

GM Jordanites,

Another strong sale last nite at 600k, as stated here before. For me the bench mark for this card is 400K...If future sales continue above this number and 40% of the float is exchanged above this number the card is safe in value. We have had about 9 sales with auction houses and ebay sales the past two months above this number. And heritage has another one for sale already above this number. 20% of the float will never see day light as it is in private collectors hands that always had disposable income and most likely wont sale. That leaves 254 psa 10's for sale. 40% of that will be about 100 cards need to sell. Already 9 in just 2 months. With in a year those 100 should have exchanged hands and then card will dry up and new highs will happen...this will needs to happen for all grades of the RC for prices to keep escalating...if some one just paid 700K for a card they wont be selling at 600K. so this is who float dries up....and if someone paid 700K they dont need money and wont panic...basic economics....

Before posting this I had to go outside and look both ways to make sure the Gestapo police wasn't outside..So let me get my pom poms and let me pump away...ultra excited with the psa 10's now both on goldin that just listed are over 400k and the one heritage is currently at 570k...Robert edwards auction that was the darling of the baseball auctions has one lagging at 300k with 6 days left. Im sure bidding will pick up...Im starting to truly feel that 500k might be the new foundation for this card. This is a huge leap and will hopefully bring the number to 13 sales above 500k in three months. Im not concerned beating to 732k mark and im not concerned with a 20% drop from that high with a card that is over 700% in six months. I'm concern that it holds these levels which we are on the way and this holds great for everything else...

[Stoiclife]

[QUOTE=Indians131184;16998862]Is this pwcc mj trimmed? The left top corner angled up makes it look like the top edge was cut 95% of the way. Any thoughts? Does this flip occur naturally? Any help would be appreciated.


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Nice catch! That looks like a botched trim job to my eyes.

[WillBBC]

Looks like an extraneous fiber left in the original cutting process.

[Slvnumber2]

Originally Posted by CelticsGuy

and what about heritage, goldin and other auction houses...those count too.

Those 3 did not have any auctions close last night, but they do populate VCP when they do. The only one that does not do it is Sirius for some reason.