2022 Topps Chrome Update Sapphire--This Could Be the Product of the Year? (2022/2023)

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by RatedRooki3

$24k, $23k net.

For a few days work and a guaranteed $15k+ profit...you should do whatever it takes to get that full $45k to the Facebook seller. I bet you could get him down to $38k-$40k. Even more profit for you.

[Hellens]

We should just get a group to buy in for a timeshare, each getting custody of the card for times throughout the year ��

[Archimedes]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Well its been up and on one of the biggest "high roller" card facebook groups for 16hrs. It's still avail. Apparently, its not worth more than $45k. And definitely not worth the prices you were quoting just recently.

So, the fact that it's been in a Facebook group for 16 hours means that it's not worth the list price? That's funny.

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by thenightman

Why would you grade the auto????

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by Archimedes

So, the fact that it's been in a Facebook group for 16 hours means that it's not worth the list price? That's funny.

You missed the point. Homeboy on here claims the card is worth $60k+. If its truly worth $60k+...that card at $45k, it wouldn't have lasted :20 seconds much less 16hrs.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

You missed the point. Homeboy on here claims the card is worth $60k+. If its truly worth $60k+...that card at $45k, it wouldn't have lasted :20 seconds much less 16hrs.

Wait… I thought it was 6-figures when it got a PSA10… raw is $60k+


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[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by pewe

Wait… I thought it was 6-figures when it got a PSA10… raw is $60k+

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Oh sorry, my bad. Very true lol

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by RatedRooki3

$24k, $23k net.

Even better! Did you buy the Julio yet?

[tcdyess]

Boxes seem to be headed north pretty quickly... will be nice to see a Spring Training Bump!!!

[Merkle14]

Originally Posted by tcdyess

Boxes seem to be headed north pretty quickly... will be nice to see a Spring Training Bump!!!

They are the best ROI on the market without a doubt. Insane upside too. Gilded, Sonic, cosmic, Ben baller, Logofractor will fade shortly imo.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by Merkle14

They are the best ROI on the market without a doubt. Insane upside too. Gilded, Sonic, cosmic, Ben baller, Logofractor will fade shortly imo.

TCU Sapphire is definitely a great product at MSRP. I wouldn't say it's the best ROI on the market though (not saying any of the options below are the best either):

Here's my thoughts:

Gilded => Not enough supply to really fade. It'll consistently have a high floor.

Sonic => Probably will fade but will consistently sell in the high $90s/low $100s due to lowest price-point since not everyone can afford the other (higher-priced) products. Curious to see what happens to the product once the buyback program ends.

Cosmic => Not enough available supply to really fade but shouldn't go up much higher. Pretty much what you see now is where it'll likely be, for the short/mid-term.

Ben Baller => Probably will fade but should still sell better than MSRP. A good amount of cards per box and they do look nice from what I've seen online (black refractors was a good addition).

Logofractor => Not enough available supply to fade. Julio's SP is selling for ~$2k raw (none available on eBay at the moment, I believe) too.

[Merkle14]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

TCU Sapphire is definitely a great product at MSRP. I wouldn't say it's the best ROI on the market though (not saying any of the options below are the best either):

Here's my thoughts:

Gilded => Not enough supply to really fade. It'll consistently have a high floor.

Sonic => Probably will fade but will consistently sell in the high $90s/low $100s due to lowest price-point since not everyone can afford the other (higher-priced) products. Curious to see what happens to the product once the buyback program ends.

Cosmic => Not enough available supply to really fade but shouldn't go up much higher. Pretty much what you see now is where it'll likely be, for the short/mid-term.

Ben Baller => Probably will fade but should still sell better than MSRP. A good amount of cards per box and they do look nice from what I've seen online (black refractors was a good addition).

Logofractor => Not enough available supply to fade. Julio's SP is selling for ~$2k raw (none available on eBay at the moment, I believe) too.

Your forgot about the other part of the equation... DEMAND. Once the dust settles, I can't imagine people focus on the wax from 2022. Once these aren't top of mind, I just see the demand for those 4 products you mentioned fading and only the serious set collectors will be left (which could be enough but unlikely). It's gonna take some time to allow the cream of the crop to rise. Sapphire has comparability to 2016, 2017, 2018 and beyond, which will always keep it relevant.

2023 class is no sloucher - Adley, Gunnar, Harris. Could see some high profile call ups. Maybe not the same ceiling but still strong.

It's also hard to get an understanding of supply by just looking on eBay. Many people are sitting on the wax so when you see one jump I think a lot of people will be ready to list and thus flood the market with supply.

[SupermanBrandon]

All wax prices past release will be determined on the field, in the future. Easy to hype offseason rookies. Not so easy when the class turns out to be Kelenic or another dud 3, 7, 10 years from now.

[tcdyess]

are there some sleeper RCs in TCSU that are on the radar for this year, or only the bigs?

[hermanotarjeta]

2022 wax is one jrod injury or PED test away from disaster. Especially if Wander and Bobby do Wander and Bobby things.

[tcdyess]

i guess that answers my question.. thanks

[sc29650]

Originally Posted by tcdyess

are there some sleeper RCs in TCSU that are on the radar for this year, or only the bigs?

4.1 wins above replacement on his rookie year batting .281, wins a gold glove and under everyone's radar.......

[caulaflour]

Originally Posted by sc29650

4.1 wins above replacement on his rookie year batting .281, wins a gold glove and under everyone's radar.......

Not under everyone's radar. He's 26 and has no power. He's appreciated for what he is, I think, but there's a chance last year is close to his ceiling and that won't make you a hobby darling.

[LVDan]

Originally Posted by caulaflour

Not under everyone's radar. He's 26 and has no power. He's appreciated for what he is, I think, but there's a chance last year is close to his ceiling and that won't make you a hobby darling.

feels like a Bader w less power and better obp/batting skills
good player but hobby meh at 26 prolly

[Merkle14]

Originally Posted by tcdyess

are there some sleeper RCs in TCSU that are on the radar for this year, or only the bigs?

Not sure I would consider CJ Abrams a sleeper but he's not in J Rod/ Witt realm so some might.

[sc29650]

Originally Posted by caulaflour

Not under everyone's radar. He's 26 and has no power. He's appreciated for what he is, I think, but there's a chance last year is close to his ceiling and that won't make you a hobby darling.

Torkelson
WAR: -1.3
BA: .203
OPS: .604
HR: 8

Whitt JR
WAR: .8
BA: .254
OPS: .722
HR: 20

Donovan
WAR: 4.1
BA: .281
OPS: .773
HR: 5

Abrams
WAR: .1
BA: .246
OPS: .604
HR: 2

The question was about "under the radar". If Torkelson and his terrible performance makes him a "hobby darling" than Donovan is defiantly "under the radar". Also Donovan has an OPS 51 points higher than Witt with "no power".

[SupermanBrandon]

Honestly, in todays hobby...if you didnt come in with hobby darling potential (before your RCs were released)...its going to be really hard to become a hobby darling. Flying under the radar just doesn't seem like a thing, right now.

[tcdyess]

Boy Tork was just horrible huh?

[sc29650]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Honestly, in todays hobby...if you didnt come in with hobby darling potential (before your RCs were released)...its going to be really hard to become a hobby darling. Flying under the radar just doesn't seem like a thing, right now.

This is so true

[clocsta2323]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

2022 wax is one jrod injury or PED test away from disaster. Especially if Wander and Bobby do Wander and Bobby things.

I'd venture to say if J-Rod does anything less than .310 /30/ 100 / 30 and top 3-5 MVP that will be a catastrophe for 2022 wax and J-Rod singles