SGC Grading

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by zdawgs

You said you wish you had paid a couple bucks more to send to PSA rather than CSG? What? It costs $38 more per card if you get in the lottery (20 cards max). So 20 x $38 = $760. I think $760 is a little more than a couple bucks more. So your 1000 cards you sent meant $38K more in fees if sent to PSA. Wow

He was talking about when bulk opened up with CSG and they were $8 ($7.20 with elite) versus $12 at PSA.

90% of the stuff being sent to PSA at $50, CSG at $20 or $12 bulk, and SGC at $30 or $23 through group submitters is absolutely stupid. I have been dumping my graded cards that have huge amounts of raw on COMC for cheap. For example, I have been getting rid of most of my Shaq PSA 9's and 10's rookies. I sold my PSA 10 Fleer Ultra Shaq rookie for $110 and have bought 5 copies that are just as nice for about $1 raw. When grading gets cheap enough, I will submit a bunch to CSG if they are $8 again for that type of card. So much of that junk wax around and a lot of it is in great shape. People are still submitting that crap to PSA, SGC, and CSG even at these insane grading prices.

It is not the grading company that is the reason why people should complain about the value of the cards, but it is the card in the holder. If you just want profit on a crap card, PSA makes the card worth more with the holder. If you send in a card that is truly valuable, the price gap closes quickly, and people are buying the card in the holder.

[grade]

Originally Posted by zdawgs

You said you wish you had paid a couple bucks more to send to PSA rather than CSG? What? It costs $38 more per card if you get in the lottery (20 cards max). So 20 x $38 = $760. I think $760 is a little more than a couple bucks more. So your 1000 cards you sent meant $38K more in fees if sent to PSA. Wow

stop.

It was $9 to send to PSA in bulk. ($75 express PSA)

Saved a couple of bucks each, Lost out in $10,000's for saving $2000. Cracking a lot of slabs to upgrade to PSA.


For good memories

[zdawgs]

Originally Posted by grade

stop.

It was $9 to send to PSA in bulk. ($75 express PSA)

Saved a couple of bucks each, Lost out in $10,000's for saving $2000. Cracking a lot of slabs to upgrade to PSA.


For good memories

Let us know how your "crossover" goes. Are you cracking and sending them in now or are you waiting until PSA gets lower than $50/card?

[iamtony33]

I have been hearing SGC have been meeting or beating their turnaround times. Has this changed recently with a bigger backup? I'm at 42 business days since they confirmed received on a 20-25 business day order and it's still in received status. I messaged them on status and received no response. Thanks in advance for info on any of your experiences on recent subs.

[LondonGames]

Originally Posted by zdawgs

I just want AFFORDABLE accurate grading. Currently that is CSG & possibly SGC (I do think decreasing to $20 at this time would benefit them & customers with more volume coming in). Return times are important & having my only 3 orders I sent to PSA ever still there at 15 months now, I don’t think they are a viable option for low-middle tier cards. You say CSG sucks. You are entitled to your opinion. I think PSA, Beckett, SGC, & CSG are all good graders. What don’t you like about CSG? Have you tried them?

No, you're actually just shilling CSG. You legit just made an account within the last month, and it was immediately just to bash PSA pricing versus others, rather than talk about how late your orders are. That came afterwards. You've bad mouthed PSA and pumped up CSG in literally every post you've made. Hence how you've now entered into every other grading companies threads to talk about how they are failing at what CSG is doing better.

I actually am interested in the company that grades my cards, and the resale value.

Let's see those PSA orders. Prove it. Shill.

[LondonGames]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Affordable grading is on the way. Just need to be patient. Accurate grading is another thing and can cause drama on the forums. 90% of the grades I get are around what I think from grading companies and 10% are over or under graded by quite a bit. Grading is pretty good if you know what to expect from each grading company.

SGC is at max volume right now and lowering submissions right now to $20 would be absolutely idiotic. They will come down in price when they need submissions. They are receiving 100,000 cards a month and grading 100,000 cards a month. How would more submissions at a cheaper price help customers or SGC??? It will piss people off if they miss turnaround times and SGC will lose money for cheaper grading. The prices are too high for me and I choose to not submit right now. I have a 1941 Play Ball Joe Dimaggio and 1958 Hank Aaron in my SGC grading pile waiting for $15. Some of the crap people submit at $30 is bizarre. If you are not a flipper, just hold onto your cards and keep it on your grading stack.

Pretty affordable right now at the moment. It would be nice to get down to say $10-20 a card for PSA, but even at current prices PSA is far more "affordable" at $50 a card than at what SGC or CSG are. I'll use SGC for convenience of turnaround times on cards I cannot "afford" to wait on, but I certainly cannot "afford" to send to CSG even for free. Some people just want to be in on the new cheap grading company and try to pump them up and make some $ in the short term, but that is a losing proposition. SGC falls into that category also to some degree, but they at least have reasonable grading standards and a brand that many remember from the late 90s, as I do from when I started using them.

Also I can never ever ever "afford" to grade with BGS again, as they are the worst company by a mile with the most inaccurate grading standards. The 4 sub grades simply do not work for an accurate grade, and cards consistently have been damaged in their holders. I will always at every turn crack a BGS card out of its holder to grade with PSA, and at this point even SGC if it came to it though I would probably leave it ungraded if it were for my PC.

As it stands I have 4 very nice vintage cards @ SGC, which I'm giving a try since I'm not super well versed in what to expect on grades. First stop before going to PSA for a potential second stop.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by LondonGames

Pretty affordable right now at the moment. It would be nice to get down to say $10-20 a card for PSA, but even at current prices PSA is far more "affordable" at $50 a card than at what SGC or CSG are. I'll use SGC for convenience of turnaround times on cards I cannot "afford" to wait on, but I certainly cannot "afford" to send to CSG even for free. Some people just want to be in on the new cheap grading company and try to pump them up and make some $ in the short term, but that is a losing proposition. SGC falls into that category also to some degree, but they at least have reasonable grading standards and a brand that many remember from the late 90s, as I do from when I started using them.

Also I can never ever ever "afford" to grade with BGS again, as they are the worst company by a mile with the most inaccurate grading standards. The 4 sub grades simply do not work for an accurate grade, and cards consistently have been damaged in their holders. I will always at every turn crack a BGS card out of its holder to grade with PSA, and at this point even SGC if it came to it though I would probably leave it ungraded if it were for my PC.

As it stands I have 4 very nice vintage cards @ SGC, which I'm giving a try since I'm not super well versed in what to expect on grades. First stop before going to PSA for a potential second stop.

First time subbing vintage to SGC? You'll probably hate them and #@#@#@#@#@#@ about them even more.

And if they are "nice" why waste your $$ at SGC in the first place you are most likely going to send them to PSA.

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[LondonGames]

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

First time subbing vintage to SGC? You'll probably hate them and #@#@#@#@#@#@ about them even more.

And if they are "nice" why waste your $$ at SGC in the first place you are most likely going to send them to PSA.

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Who said it was my first time subbing vintage to SGC? & lol at why waste my $ at SGC? How are they most likely going to PSA? I'll spend my money, you spend yours? The process I'm taking is definitely one I'm comfortable with. But thanks for the dumbest post I've read in a while.

Stick to facts instead of making nonsense up in your head and projecting what you think I might feel or do. It's a quick evaluation at X per card with good resale value. If it works out for me great, if it doesn't it doesn't.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by LondonGames

Who said it was my first time subbing vintage to SGC? & lol at why waste my $ at SGC? How are they most likely going to PSA? I'll spend my money, you spend yours? The process I'm taking is definitely one I'm comfortable with. But thanks for the dumbest post I've read in a while.

Stick to facts instead of making nonsense up in your head and projecting what you think I might feel or do. It's a quick evaluation at X per card with good resale value. If it works out for me great, if it doesn't it doesn't.

PSA is more lenient with vintage lately but of course you know that.

So get your lower grade with SGC and them sub to PSA, who you already know adds more value. That makes perfect sense.

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[grade]

Originally Posted by zdawgs

Let us know how your "crossover" goes. Are you cracking and sending them in now or are you waiting until PSA gets lower than $50/card?

Subbing only cards that are vintage and have a chance at low pop ,over $1000+ at PSA 10 but still $100+ in a PSA 7.


not really into modern or ultra modern stuff.

Have not used my last 2 allocations due to the market direction. Just waiting it out. Hoping for reasonable prices .

[Giroux]

Originally Posted by iamtony33

I have been hearing SGC have been meeting or beating their turnaround times. Has this changed recently with a bigger backup? I'm at 42 business days since they confirmed received on a 20-25 business day order and it's still in received status. I messaged them on status and received no response. Thanks in advance for info on any of your experiences on recent subs.

Wow, really? I've done a couple $40 10 day orders and they've all been faster.

[Giroux]

My favorite card from my last sub

[zdawgs]

Originally Posted by LondonGames

No, you're actually just shilling CSG. You legit just made an account within the last month, and it was immediately just to bash PSA pricing versus others, rather than talk about how late your orders are. That came afterwards. You've bad mouthed PSA and pumped up CSG in literally every post you've made. Hence how you've now entered into every other grading companies threads to talk about how they are failing at what CSG is doing better.

I actually am interested in the company that grades my cards, and the resale value.

Let's see those PSA orders. Prove it. Shill.

Here are my 3 PSA submissions you clown. You obviously are a PSA shill which I have no problem with. They are not affordable at the moment and are no better graders than the other 3. I have sent 3 orders to SGC and 2 to CSG and they grade very similarly. Never used Beckett. I just think the hobby will get smarter and realize why should they be paying 2X because of the case the card is in (and arguably the easiest grader).

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by zdawgs

Here are my 3 PSA submissions you clown. You obviously are a PSA shill which I have no problem with. They are not affordable at the moment and are no better graders than the other 3. I have sent 3 orders to SGC and 2 to CSG and they grade very similarly. Never used Beckett. I just think the hobby will get smarter and realize why should they be paying 2X because of the case the card is in (and arguably the easiest grader).

I have been saying this for awhile about people getting smarter. My last 5 submissions:

1 SGC
2 PSA (11 cards total)
2 CSG (31 card total)

I will be getting another CSG order together. They are all similar in GEM RATE, based on lots of research. People like PSA and that is their prerogative, but none are better than another overall, the 9/10 rates are 90% or more for all the big 4

[LondonGames]

Originally Posted by zdawgs

Here are my 3 PSA submissions you clown. You obviously are a PSA shill which I have no problem with. They are not affordable at the moment and are no better graders than the other 3. I have sent 3 orders to SGC and 2 to CSG and they grade very similarly. Never used Beckett. I just think the hobby will get smarter and realize why should they be paying 2X because of the case the card is in (and arguably the easiest grader).

3/23/21, 4/5/21, 4/12/21. Doesn't look like 16, 15, and 13 months out to me.

Just laying it on super thick to shill for CSG. Thanks for the proof. Now it's not worth believing anything you say.

Originally Posted by zdawgs

I have sent 3 orders to PSA in my lifetime (UM, M, 60's special). I have yet to see any return to me graded. They are 16, 15, & 13 months out thus far. I am surprised that people continue with this company. Of course if you have an off centered card, I guess they are the way to go. I find it crazy that an uncentered card can get 10s so easily from PSA and somehow they are the resale leaders.

[zdawgs]

Originally Posted by LondonGames

3/23/21, 4/5/21, 4/12/21. Doesn't look like 16, 15, and 13 months out to me.

Just laying it on super thick to shill for CSG. Thanks for the proof. Now it's not worth believing anything you say.

I guess I went by when I actually mailed my cards to them, not when PSA said they got the package. My arrival date from PSA was a few weeks after I mailed my cards to them (which was probably due to the volume they had from the post office so they were behind just logging that they received them). I will take a 30 day turnaround from SGC or CSG over that. It is just nice getting cards back in a timely matter as you and I both know that things change quickly and what you might submit now is much different than what you would send a year later. Just ask all those people holding Gavin Lux, RJ Barrett, and Kyle Lewis PSA 10 cards.

[zdawgs]

Originally Posted by grade

Subbing only cards that are vintage and have a chance at low pop ,over $1000+ at PSA 10 but still $100+ in a PSA 7.


not really into modern or ultra modern stuff.

Have not used my last 2 allocations due to the market direction. Just waiting it out. Hoping for reasonable prices .

Agreed. I am waiting on PSA to become somewhat reasonable in price so I can send my vintage cards to them. Ultra modern & modern goes to other companies at this time.

[bywayofvintage]

Originally Posted by iamtony33

I have been hearing SGC have been meeting or beating their turnaround times. Has this changed recently with a bigger backup? I'm at 42 business days since they confirmed received on a 20-25 business day order and it's still in received status. I messaged them on status and received no response. Thanks in advance for info on any of your experiences on recent subs.

Had an order received on 04/18. Went into post-grading today.

[iamtony33]

Originally Posted by bywayofvintage

Had an order received on 04/18. Went into post-grading today.

Was it at the 20-25 or 10 day level? Seems like they are blasting through all tiers but the lowest tier 20-25 day might be way behind.

[bywayofvintage]

Originally Posted by iamtony33

Was it at the 20-25 or 10 day level? Seems like they are blasting through all tiers but the lowest tier 20-25 day might be way behind.

Mine was on the 20-25 day level. Four card order.

[Gary]

Originally Posted by iamtony33

Was it at the 20-25 or 10 day level? Seems like they are blasting through all tiers but the lowest tier 20-25 day might be way behind.

i just had an 11 card 20-25 sub,

Shipped 4-6
delivered 4-8
received 4-8
graded 4-26
shipped 5-2
delivered to my door 5-4

So 28 actual days door to door.They are not behind.That's 18 buis days

[iamtony33]

Originally Posted by Gary

i just had an 11 card 20-25 sub,

Shipped 4-6
delivered 4-8
received 4-8
graded 4-26
shipped 5-2
delivered to my door 5-4

So 28 actual days door to door.They are not behind.That's 18 buis days

Wow. Ok thanks for the info. So I'm at 43+ business days since received and they won't respond to my messages too.

[Gary]

Call CS at 800-742-9212 have your submission number handy.

[Zoop]

Order has popped!

1956 Topps White Back Mickey Mantle
Expected Grade: 3
Graded: 2
This one really hurt, I'll be honest. Awful centering and a bit of sun bleach on the colors, but otherwise a beautiful card. Tiny bit heartbroken on the 2. Might resub with PSA, unsure.

1960 Topps Mickey Mantle
Expected Grade: 2.5
Graded: 2.5
It had some bad back wrinkles, so I expected this one all the way.

1965 Topps Mickey Mantle
Expected Grade: 2
Graded: 3
Big wrinkles/potential creases in two corners that I would've been harsher on, personally.

1957 Topps Hank Aaron
Expected Grade: A
Grade: 3.5
Wow. Happy about this. I was sold this for $70, as the the seller told me he thought it might be altered but it could just be a slightly off cut. Not only was it not trimmed, but it was about a full grade higher than I thought.

2001 Fleer Legacy Albert Pujols Rookie Card /799
Expected Grade: 8
Graded: 8.5
Nice. It had an odd black print speck on the front, which glares at me when I stare at it lol. Looked alright otherwise.

2004 Yadier Molina Topps Rookie Card
Expected Grade: 8.5
Graded: 9
These last three I just graded because I wanted to for my PC. No real reason otherwise. This was a pleasant surprise! Picked it up for $25 a year ago in a bundle with...

2004 Topps Cracker Jack Yadier Molina Rookie
Expected Grade: 9.5
Graded: 9.5
...this one. Knew this would grade well and was at least a 9. Thought it could be a 9.5. Clean card but weird stock, so hard to justify how a grader would view that oddball stock. Glad that saw it similar to me.

2019 Topps Chrome Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Pink Refractor Target Exclusive
Expected: 9
Graded: 9
Pulled this myself. Has a print line through the center, otherwise utter gem. Great PC piece.

Overall, I'm happy. Heartbroken over that '56 White Back Mantle, ecstatic over the '57 Aaron. All of this is for my PC with no plans to resell. Thanks for reading.

[growdoe]

How does SGC already have 2021 Donruss Optic football cards graded?

https://gosgc.com/pop-report/result/...Optic/Football