Target Online Sales Thread

[Steve88]

Originally Posted by smanzari

Score FB and Heritage are still 2 of the best Rip/ROIs out there

If heritage and S2 are the same price MSRP, wouldnt you buy S2 10/10 times?

[smanzari]

Originally Posted by Steve88

If heritage and S2 are the same price MSRP, wouldnt you buy S2 10/10 times?

ABSOLUTELY NOT, ROI on Heritage is INCREDIBLE for me. I cleared a nice percentage on 6 cases this year, with no major hits and still have sets to sort and a few hundred cards listed

[daktmacfan]

Originally Posted by smanzari

Score FB and Heritage are still 2 of the best Rip/ROIs out there

What do you think the avg Rip/ROIs are for Score FB & Heritage??? I'm just wondering. I have only ever gotten these products the past few years in PYT mixer breaks and I got the teams that I want so I have never tried to sell.

[Steve88]

Originally Posted by smanzari

ABSOLUTELY NOT, ROI on Heritage is INCREDIBLE for me.

Sorry not a big baseball collector, can you explain why? Seems like every year, heritage is trashed and always sitting on the shelves

[smanzari]

Originally Posted by daktmacfan

What do you think the avg Rip/ROIs are for Score FB & Heritage??? I'm just wondering. I have only ever gotten these products the past few years in PYT mixer breaks and I got the teams that I want so I have never tried to sell.

It depends on price and dedication of the seller. I sell EVERYTHING from the break, from $1.50 commons+

Originally Posted by Steve88

Sorry not a big baseball collector, can you explain why? Seems like every year, heritage is trashed and always sitting on the shelves

Its a set collecting product that has a very large following (many people do the masters+ every year) - just about any non-common card has some sort of demand

[daktmacfan]

Originally Posted by smanzari

It depends on price and dedication of the seller. I sell EVERYTHING from the break, from $1.50 commons+



Its a set collecting product that has a very large following (many people do the masters+ every year) - just about any non-common card has some sort of demand

OK from what I gather you rip cases of Heritage. Much different to just buy a a few blasters, hangers, or packs.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Steve88

People weren't just submitting rookie cards. They were also submitting 10th year base cards of star players.

So again you'd rather have Pop 0 for those cards? Who would be submitting those, unless we are talking about 10th year Brady and Lebron cards people want, with a $30 tier?

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by jduds

At some point the market will move on to the other grading companies for their low end grading needs. It seems that submitters already have to some degree, but when folks realize the only graded Ke'bryan Hayes flagship base cards are SGC, BGS, CSG, or HGA they will either choose one of those, buy raw, or opt out. I think they will move on to the other companies once it becomes clear that PSA isn't going to have a cheap tier that works for cards like that. PSA selling for higher prices means nothing when PSA isn't grading those cards anymore.

Yes but prices for these other companies graded cards will not ever be equal to PSA. It will still hurt everyone besides whichever grading companies get more business.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by daktmacfan

Please explain. If PSA had continued at their rate of input to output back in March most submission levels would have taken multiple years. I think they are being responsible by greatly reducing their input. PSA has gotten to the point where they can't do base cards and I don't ever see their pricing making sense outside of PC cards. Once everyone in the hobby is used to seeing ultra modern base RCs in SGC I am sure it will just be slowly accepted over time.

It wouldn't take multiple years if PSA would have been working for over a year to expand their business. PSA, BGS, Panini and Topps have known everything that has been going on in the card market since Jan of 2020. They have all done next to nothing to expand their business. The way PSA is grading cards you would think they are still getting the same amount of business as 2019. Wouldn't you expand your business and hire way more graders if the amount of cards you have to grade has gone up 50 times? Do we have any indication that they have even doubled their grading staff in the last 18 months?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

It wouldn't take multiple years if PSA would have been working for over a year to expand their business. PSA, BGS, Panini and Topps have known everything that has been going on in the card market since Jan of 2020. They have all done next to nothing to expand their business. The way PSA is grading cards you would think they are still getting the same amount of business as 2019. Wouldn't you expand your business and hire way more graders if the amount of cards you have to grade has gone up 50 times? Do we have any indication that they have even doubled their grading staff in the last 18 months?

None of this is true regarding PSA since Nat’s group took over.

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by Steve88

Sorry not a big baseball collector, can you explain why? Seems like every year, heritage is trashed and always sitting on the shelves

I hate to do it but... this board skews young. Heritage has a massive following that are dedicated set collectors who usually find their level of involvement and stick to that every year. This year is also quite different in compared to past years in the large quantity of RCs that have star-potential.

You can go back, say, five years and look at what Heritage inserts go for and you would probably be amazed. Throwbacks, ROAs, Action Images, etc. There are a lot of popular inserts/parallels that can go for nice coin if you hit a good player.

Arthur

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

None of this is true regarding PSA since Nat’s group took over.

Really? Because I'd argue that all Nat's group has done has been to help Nat's collection and super high end collectors while hurting everyone else. I'd love to hear how they are helping out the average person in the hobby who was submitting previously to PSA or now looking to submit to PSA but can't.

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

It wouldn't take multiple years if PSA would have been working for over a year to expand their business. PSA, BGS, Panini and Topps have known everything that has been going on in the card market since Jan of 2020. They have all done next to nothing to expand their business. The way PSA is grading cards you would think they are still getting the same amount of business as 2019. Wouldn't you expand your business and hire way more graders if the amount of cards you have to grade has gone up 50 times? Do we have any indication that they have even doubled their grading staff in the last 18 months?

I don't know how many are graders but I believe they've doubled or tripled their entire staff in the last 6 months. They went on a hiring blitzkrieg, not sure how you didn't hear about it.

Arthur

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

I'll be completely honest, I don't know a damn thing about Score football.

Arthur

this makes me sad.
Currently the second longest consecutive release streak in the Hobby

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Really? Because I'd argue that all Nat's group has done has been to help Nat's collection and super high end collectors while hurting everyone else. I'd love to hear how they are helping out the average person in the hobby who was submitting previously to PSA or now looking to submit to PSA but can't.

The guy's toilet seat isn't even cold yet. Let's wait and see what happens before we just go to ludicrous speed on the internet hate.

Arthur

[cspaced25]

Errr wrong thread

[ThoseBackPages]

if i didnt know any better, id swear that mossaholic and BBases were the same dude

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

this makes me sad.
Currently the second longest consecutive release streak in the Hobby

I just meant what its current market is. I've got tons of Score football sets from the '90s and '00s in pages. I love me some Score.

Arthur

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

I just meant what its current market is. I've got tons of Score football sets from the '90s and '00s in pages. I love me some Score.

Arthur

WHEW!!! ok good! lol

its pretty much the same as its been since those days.
current RCs in college unis.

great choice for those of us that like cheap pedigreed RCs

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

I don't know how many are graders but I believe they've doubled or tripled their entire staff in the last 6 months. They went on a hiring blitzkrieg, not sure how you didn't hear about it.

Arthur

So how does doubling or tripling help when your business has gone up possibly more than 50 times?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Really? Because I'd argue that all Nat's group has done has been to help Nat's collection and super high end collectors while hurting everyone else. I'd love to hear how they are helping out the average person in the hobby who was submitting previously to PSA or now looking to submit to PSA but can't.

You are miserable and uninformed.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by mossoholic View Post
Really? Because I'd argue that all Nat's group has done has been to help Nat's collection and super high end collectors while hurting everyone else. I'd love to hear how they are helping out the average person in the hobby who was submitting previously to PSA or now looking to submit to PSA but can't.

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

You are miserable and uninformed.

Yeah great explanation as usual. Thanks for letting me know how PSA is helping out the average person in the hobby. Appreciate it.

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

So how does doubling or tripling help when your business has gone up possibly more than 50 times?

Well, neither one of us know exactly what the increase was before they shut down so just throwing out 50 times doesn't seem fair.

I'm not a "business man," or "someone who knows a lot about business," or "a person of at least average intelligence," but I don't think there's a parallel correlation between your staff and your percentage increase. So, I don't think that if their intake went up 10x that they need to increase their staff 10x. There are other ways to increase work flow without increasing staff.

But really, you sound angry. This seems like a personal thing for you. I don't think we're going to have a constructive discourse if you're blinded by rage and refuse to consider ideas outside your own.

Arthur

[actionbryan]

What are predictions of product we will see next week?

UD Hockey Extended?
More Series 2 Hangers
More Prizm Draft
More Select Baseball

I don't think next week, but this feels like the time of year for Archives, Gypsy Queen, A&G , optic baseball, Prizm baseball, etc

[RandAlThor]

Originally Posted by actionbryan

What are predictions of product we will see next week?

UD Hockey Extended?
More Series 2 Hangers
More Prizm Draft
More Select Baseball

I don't think next week, but this feels like the time of year for Archives, Gypsy Queen, A&G , optic baseball, Prizm baseball, etc

I would like to know when we can expect Optic basketball to come out, anybody know?