Patrick Mahomes Prices

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Brady got some calls, but get back to me when someone goes low illegally on Mahomes and ends his season in game 1 and doesn't get so much as a stern warning from the ref, let alone 15 yards, for it.

That was absolutely terrible. I still remember that play. Took a season away from Brady in his prime.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by dbpsooner

A few more points regarding the perception of KC getting all the calls...

Houston was one of the “dirtiest” teams in the league this year when it came to unnecessary roughness penalties and roughing the passer penalties. Heck they ended Trevor Lawrence's season on what some thought was the dirtiest hit of the 2024 season. One only need look at their head coach to know in that locker room toughness and brutality on defense is a focal point. I love that mentality but it does not go without consequences. Teams like that are not going to get the benefit of the doubt on plays that appear borderline in real time.

On the flip side, offensive holding is a penalty that could probably be called on every play. Surprisingly enough, the “team with the refs in their back pocket" were called more than any other team in the league for offensive holding. Similar to Houston with the roughing calls, KC does not get the benefit of the doubt regarding offensive holding. We saw that in the game this weekend with the bad call against Smith.

These coaches talk to officials about things to look out for prior to games. Those things are at the forefront of the officials minds during these games. The level of shock/outrage from the general public is so overblown at this point.

As for the Josh Allen troll in this thread, since 2009, only 2 QBs have received more roughing the passer penalties per game than Josh Allen. Fitzmagic and J. McCown. Josh Allen is a phenomenal talent and I love watching him play. it is unfortunate for this forum that one of his biggest fans is an immature troll because I feel it does take away from his success story to some degree.

Literally the same thing as BBases and Purdy.

Originally Posted by blackbears86

That was absolutely terrible. I still remember that play. Took a season away from Brady in his prime.

The season after they missed out on the perfect season, no less.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Literally the same thing as BBases and Purdy.



The season after they missed out on the perfect season, no less.

I never hated a player more than Bernard Pollard. Dirty.

[nabzy28]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

That was absolutely terrible. I still remember that play. Took a season away from Brady in his prime.

That was so ridiculous. Dude just dove directly into his leg. I also remember that you could buy those Autographics college RC autos of his, all day, for $150 and under, after that injury. Not sure why those ones stood out to me to remember, but it was definitely because no one knew if he'd ever get back after that.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

That was absolutely terrible. I still remember that play. Took a season away from Brady in his prime.

Ben took those hits his entire career. His penchant for holding the ball and unique size made refs shy away from flagging.

Ben likely lost a couple productive years at the end because his legs were dead. He still had great arm strength, but his knees were so bad he couldn’t generate the same lower body power into his throws.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by nabzy28

That was so ridiculous. Dude just dove directly into his leg. I also remember that you could buy those Autographics college RC autos of his, all day, for $150 and under, after that injury. Not sure why those ones stood out to me to remember, but it was definitely because no one knew if he'd ever get back after that.

Hard to tackle high than that when you’re already on the ground though.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Ben took those hits his entire career. His penchant for holding the ball and unique size made refs shy away from flagging.

Ben likely lost a couple productive years at the end because his legs were dead. He still had great arm strength, but his knees were so bad he couldn’t generate the same lower body power into his throws.

True. Ben got brutalized and never had any (or very few) RTP called on him.

[blackbears86]

Here's the patty I pulled last night out of the 2018 rookies and stars longevity box. #75/85. Not a big money card, but happy to pull it.


Sent from my motorola edge 5G UW (2021) using Tapatalk

[mc1]

Originally Posted by tjforce

It's a further reflection on society... people don't want to admit they are losers, so they'll find someone else to blame rather than accept that things aren't going their way.

Everyone else’s fault the kicker missed two kicks, and an XP. Everyone else’s fault they could only score one TD. Not their fault they could not stop the Chiefs after the “penalties”. Chiefs had 6-7 more plays after the RTP call and did get held to a FG. Afer the unnecessary roughness call KC ran off 9-10 plays and scored a TD on 3rd and goal. Instead lets concentrate on two calls.

[blackbears86]

I also pulled this 5/5. Is Dorian odanial still with the Chiefs?

Sent from my motorola edge 5G UW (2021) using Tapatalk



edit: just checked. Looks like he hasn't played in the NFL for a few years.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Here's the patty I pulled last night out of the 2018 rookies and stars longevity box. #75/85. Not a big money card, but happy to pull it.


Sent from my motorola edge 5G UW (2021) using Tapatalk

Nice hit! Love the bball crusades. Football need more love!

[nabzy28]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Here's the patty I pulled last night out of the 2018 rookies and stars longevity box. #75/85. Not a big money card, but happy to pull it.


Sent from my motorola edge 5G UW (2021) using Tapatalk

The greatest thing about pulling cards for your PC is knowing 100% it's not trimmed/doctored, these days.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Here's the patty I pulled last night out of the 2018 rookies and stars longevity box. #75/85. Not a big money card, but happy to pull it.


Sent from my motorola edge 5G UW (2021) using Tapatalk

Nice pull! I’m a sucker for just about any iteration of Crusades.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[blackbears86]

Thank you all for the comments.

I have eight R&S longevity boxes from 2017.


Very tempted to open a couple if the Chiefs win the Superbowl. But also, thinking what I can get if I leave them all sealed and sell in five or so years. A good problem to have, and I'm not complaining.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Thank you all for the comments.

I have eight R&S longevity boxes from 2017.


Very tempted to open a couple if the Chiefs win the Superbowl. But also, thinking what I can get if I leave them all sealed and sell in five or so years. A good problem to have, and I'm not complaining.

What were the specs on the Longevity boxes that year? 1 Auto per box? I opened a bunch of 2020 Longevity and they seemed solid, 2023 Longevity were awful.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

What were the specs on the Longevity boxes that year? 1 Auto per box? I opened a bunch of 2020 Longevity and they seemed solid, 2023 Longevity were awful.

2017 had 1 auto and 2 mems and two numbered cards per box. I'm a huge fan of the longevity boxes, very underrated. I stopped after 2020. I heard 2023 was terrible.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by dbpsooner

A few more points regarding the perception of KC getting all the calls...

Houston was one of the “dirtiest” teams in the league this year when it came to unnecessary roughness penalties and roughing the passer penalties. Heck they ended Trevor Lawrence's season on what some thought was the dirtiest hit of the 2024 season. One only need look at their head coach to know in that locker room toughness and brutality on defense is a focal point. I love that mentality but it does not go without consequences. Teams like that are not going to get the benefit of the doubt on plays that appear borderline in real time.

On the flip side, offensive holding is a penalty that could probably be called on every play. Surprisingly enough, the “team with the refs in their back pocket" were called more than any other team in the league for offensive holding. Similar to Houston with the roughing calls, KC does not get the benefit of the doubt regarding offensive holding. We saw that in the game this weekend with the bad call against Smith.

These coaches talk to officials about things to look out for prior to games. Those things are at the forefront of the officials minds during these games. The level of shock/outrage from the general public is so overblown at this point.

As for the Josh Allen troll in this thread, since 2009, only 2 QBs have received more roughing the passer penalties per game than Josh Allen. Fitzmagic and J. McCown. Josh Allen is a phenomenal talent and I love watching him play. it is unfortunate for this forum that one of his biggest fans is an immature troll because I feel it does take away from his success story to some degree.

"Now go get one champ" - Mahomes (2025)

[88horsepower]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I never hated a player more than Bernard Pollard. Dirty.

Except for Brady's teammate, Rodney Harrison, who submarined Trent Green in a preseason game and altered the course of his career and the entire Rams organization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djxCYDoTvCg

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

Except for Brady's teammate, Rodney Harrison, who submarined Trent Green in a preseason game and altered the course of his career and the entire Rams organization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djxCYDoTvCg

Yup. Rodney Harrison was dirty. Amazing looking back what the players got away with back then.

[jjrpilot]

Ok post some Mahomes cards! Let's see em!

[kltomek]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

Ok post some Mahomes cards! Let's see em!

My only one left. Getting a new slab at the moment




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[sethc1020]

20240913_122127 by Seth Cavins, on Flickr

[jswest18]

This whole discourse about the Chiefs/Mahomes and the refs/league has made me have a new appreciation for the Patriots run. Several things about a conspiracy or favored treatment by the refs toward the Chiefs.

1) As to the game yesterday, both RTP calls were weak. The first one was technically helmet to helmet contact and it is called 9/10 times regardless of who is playing or what down it is. It was actually reviewed and because there was contact to the head, despite the minimal nature of it, the booth could not overturn it. Take this away and you can take 3 points off the board for the Chiefs. Sure, maybe momentum swings so much toward the Texans in a 3-3 game with 7:16 left in the 1st quarter that the Chiefs just wouldn't have been able to overcome it but let's just be honest and admit that wouldn't have been the case. Did the penalty help the Chiefs? Of course. Was it game altering? Of course not.

2) The second RTP call was probably technically right as well (which the league confirmed whether you believe their take or not) because two defenders led with the crown of their helmets and made contact to the helmet of Mahomes. But in some ways it was even weaker to me than the 1st. Hated the call real time. That said, stupid of the defenders to lead with the crown like they did, especially considering they already have a reputation of being dirty.

Also, I'm not convinced that Mahomes was trying to take advantage of the rules to draw a flag there. He had two defenders converging on him as soon as he cut back. He could have just braced and taken the hit(s), he could have tried to dive which would have been worse, or he could have done what he did and slide to attempt to minimize the hit against his body. Some of it was likely pure instinct. He no idea they were going to lead with their helmets.

3) I'll just leave this here and add to it that it's not the refs fault Houston allowed 8 sacks and forgot that Kelce was on the field for half the game. Blame those things for the loss and not two questionable weak RTP calls.

Originally Posted by mc1

Everyone else’s fault the kicker missed two kicks, and an XP. Everyone else’s fault they could only score one TD. Not their fault they could not stop the Chiefs after the “penalties”. Chiefs had 6-7 more plays after the RTP call and did get held to a FG. Afer the unnecessary roughness call KC ran off 9-10 plays and scored a TD on 3rd and goal. Instead lets concentrate on two calls.

4) Everyone keeps pointing out unfair officiating in favor of the Chiefs but ALL of the data shows that is not the case. It hasn't been the case since 2018 nor has it been the case for this year. Even when you take in to account the timeliness of the penalties in big situations it still does not prove the narrative everyone is so up in arms about. The data proves the opposite. But because "the eye test" proves otherwise then people are convinced it's true.

5) Yes the Chiefs have benefited from some calls in crucial moments. Example, the Bengals AFC championship game 2 years ago. The calls have been legitimate and obvious flags though. Are they fortunate to have had those things happen to help them win? Sure. But being fortunate doesn't equal the refs calling a game one sided or wrongly.

6) Hated the flop by Patty going out of bounds. I have seen him ask for calls (which EVERY OTHER QB, DB, WR, ETC. in the league does) but that's probably been the worst flop I've seen from him. He's generally not done that. I actually think it could keep him from getting a borderline or legitimate call moving forward. Especially with all the attention now.

7) What's fascinating is that this comes from such a Patriots/Brady fan. You as much as anyone should know that these same complaints were lodged against you guys over and over and over. Most not legitimate but some fair. Brady had several very close, weak, questionable calls go his way which were crucial penalties. Beginning with the Tuck Rule all the way to the bogus RTP call against Chris Jones in the AFCC game in 2018. As his career went on Brady was going to get the benefit of a call if it was close. And probably deservedly so as he was the face of the NFL and the best player in the NFL. That's been the case in every sport for all time though. It's not a new things with Mahomes.

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Also a reflection on society is how some people who win refuse to acknowledge that they had an unfair advantage and gained from a bad call, so they'll find a way to make excuses for why, ya know, it really wasn't a bad call rather than accept that they were the beneficiaries of a bad call....

It is quite fascinating from a psychological standpoint.

8) Lastly, and it's important imo, the reason people believe so strongly this narrative about the Chiefs and Patriots before them is because they win. I don't mean that people are sick of the Chiefs winning just as they were the Patriots before, although people are sick of it. I mean that the penalties that go against the losing team matters more because they lost.

The Chiefs generally have plenty of calls go against them during the course of a game. Whether it's an actual bad call by the refs or it's just a mistake made by the Chiefs, they have plenty of "game changing" calls go against them. Again, the data backs this up. The difference is that the Chiefs nearly always find a way to overcome them and win. And once they win, the bad calls don't matter any more. The Chiefs fans forget them and everyone else just acts like it didn't happen because it didn't keep them from winning. For the losing team though the penalties become a huge deal. Every questionable call that goes against them was "game changing" and a large reason why the lost.

So we've come to the point now in this Chiefs run where every single play and penalty or non call is scrutinized. People gloss over the fact that NFL refs are still human and they make bad calls EVERY SINGLE GAME regardless of who is playing. They just see a call they BELIEVE favored KC, rightly or not, and that becomes more proof KC is getting preferential treatment. They ignore calls that went against KC and calls that could have been detrimental to the ultimate outcome of the game because it didn't keep KC from winning the game. And even if KC loses a game in the future because the refs make several atrocious calls against KC which turned the tide against them and they aren't able to overcome it then the conversation will not be about how unfair it was but instead it will be how KC deserved it.

[TSonn]

Media is all about the refs right now. I bet the Chiefs love it. Gives them something to prove when it didn't seem like that would've been a possible motivation in the AFCC on the run to a 3 peat.

[JWBlue]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Media is all about the refs right now. I bet the Chiefs love it. Gives them something to prove when it didn't seem like that would've been a possible motivation in the AFCC on the run to a 3 peat.

A lot of it could be Chiefs fatigue and people looking for things that are not there.