Yordan Alvarez

[noaskiecards]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

I think he’s an awesome hitter. I just think its becoming make it or break it time for him and his hobby love. He’s got a big hobby hill to climb that may come a little easier for others in his class. Guys with 4-5 tools. DH is tough. And hobby great DH is near impossible. Just be careful out there.


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It's reflected in his prices being much lower than the top tier guys (acuna, tatis, vlad, ohtani, soto), he's pennies on the dollar and he should be, his career and his potential isn't even close to any of those guys yet
But he has a 948 ops and 186 rbis through his first 244 career games at 24
He got destroyed by umpires this year on strikeouts way outside
All I'm saying is everyone was buying Jason dominguez and very few were buying anthony volpe this past year
His low prices reflect the risk that he may not have that hobby love ever but I think he's worth collecting in case he hits to his full potential next year

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[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by noaskiecards

It's reflected in his prices being much lower than the top tier guys (acuna, tatis, vlad, ohtani, soto), he's pennies on the dollar and he should be, his career and his potential isn't even close to any of those guys yet
But he has a 948 ops and 186 rbis through his first 244 career games at 24
He got destroyed by umpires this year on strikeouts way outside
All I'm saying is everyone was buying Jason dominguez and very few were buying anthony volpe this past year
His low prices reflect the risk that he may not have that hobby love ever but I think he's worth collecting in case he hits to his full potential next year

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IMO…
Collecting = 110% go for it!
Investing = Walk with caution


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[LittleJimmies]

I completely understand some naysaying, but there needs to be a big asterisk next to every comment about being only a DH. Since Dusty started putting him back in the field, he started nearly 40% of his games in LF and it's been reported multiple times that the Astros were working him out at 1st with intentions of him eventually moving there. He has proven to be a serviceable LF at home where the responsibilities are low because of the short porch and wall, so I completely believe in him being able to handle 1B to a serviceable level as well. The narrative changes a lot if he does go from being only a DH to being a light fielding/heavy hitting 1B. Only time will tell where he ends up playing during his prime.

[eye4talent]

Fun little fact: Yordan’s overall postseason OPS was 1.023, despite his rough six-game stretch at the end.

The hobby loves run production. It loves guys who produce home runs and high batting averages. If Yordan plays a third to half the time in the field, while competing with Vlad for AL hitting supremacy, it’s a good bet the hobby will love Yordan.

Considering what we saw from him in 2019 at age 22, the fact that he essentially missed all of 2020 at age 23, and the fact that he posted an .877 OPS with 69 XBH in 144 games at 24 while recovering from double knee surgery, I’d say there’s reason for optimism heading into his age-25 season.


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[Archangel1775]

I see people spending $30 for a PSA 10 flagship and a few hundred for auto rookie cards. I also see a few people spending $500 plus on tougher cards. Grading thru PSA is gonna cost more than that PSA10 whenever they get back to normal. A hobby box of flagship this year is a couple hundred. There are boxes that cost $1000 to $2000+. In the larger scope, Yordan is a pretty good buy. Personally, I pick up Yordan, Luis Robert, Soto, Acuna and Vlad. Is there anyone out there spending tens of thousands on only Yordan?

[yoyosh]

mail day:

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by yoyosh

mail day:

Sweeeeeet

[regularp]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

I think he’s an awesome hitter. I just think its becoming make it or break it time for him and his hobby love. He’s got a big hobby hill to climb that may come a little easier for others in his class. Guys with 4-5 tools. DH is tough. And hobby great DH is near impossible. Just be careful out there.


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Originally Posted by noaskiecards

It's reflected in his prices being much lower than the top tier guys (acuna, tatis, vlad, ohtani, soto), he's pennies on the dollar and he should be, his career and his potential isn't even close to any of those guys yet
But he has a 948 ops and 186 rbis through his first 244 career games at 24
He got destroyed by umpires this year on strikeouts way outside
All I'm saying is everyone was buying Jason dominguez and very few were buying anthony volpe this past year
His low prices reflect the risk that he may not have that hobby love ever but I think he's worth collecting in case he hits to his full potential next year

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By these definitions, Soto and Vlad Jr. shouldn't be getting hobby love either. Be consistent, boys.

[Bambino22]

Mail day!

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

Mail day!

Nice! Let's get this Yordan lovefest back on track!

Is anyone interested in doing some Yordan on Yordan trading? I have 2 extra gem rainbow foil RC and an extra gem gold foil RC. While I think these two cards have better long term prospects than other Yordan RC's because of how low pop they are (especially the gold foil) , I also would love to mix up my Yordan stash a bit. I have ZERO Topps Chrome or Sapphire :/

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

Mail day!

There it is!


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[waluwhute]

Got my second sapphire in the mail today. The blues look so much better than the 2019 silver/atomic sapphires.




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[Chicharito]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Fun little fact: Yordan’s overall postseason OPS was 1.023, despite his rough six-game stretch at the end.

The hobby loves run production. It loves guys who produce home runs and high batting averages. If Yordan plays a third to half the time in the field, while competing with Vlad for AL hitting supremacy, it’s a good bet the hobby will love Yordan.

Considering what we saw from him in 2019 at age 22, the fact that he essentially missed all of 2020 at age 23, and the fact that he posted an .877 OPS with 69 XBH in 144 games at 24 while recovering from double knee surgery, I’d say there’s reason for optimism heading into his age-25 season.


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I love watching him batting, but it's painful to see him on the field

[eye4talent]

Just in time for Game 7!!

Wait, what?


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[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Just in time for Game 7!!

Wait, what?


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It feels like you got that really quick.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

It feels like you got that really quick.

It was quick. It shipped from Virginia on Monday, and made it to California in two days. That happens every once in a while.

Standard is three days, except for cards coming from Indiana/Michigan/Illinois. Those take, like, 8 days.


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[towerymt]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Just in time for Game 7!!

Wait, what?

Ya got me. Wow, no one wanted that card?! 3rd highest bid was $176.50 and 4th was $131. I dropped a $199 to see where we were and then a rather light $222.22 at the end. Wasn't too surprised to be outbid...but surprised I was 2nd.

Scan made it look like the lower left got snagged on the sleeve, but is it just a spot of dust?

[LVDan]

So that heritage red went for less than $250 delivered? I know Heritage has fallen from favor but that’s shockingly low if so.
What does a similar Boba card fetch?

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[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by LVDan

So that heritage red went for less than $250 delivered? I know Heritage has fallen from favor but that’s shockingly low if so.
What does a similar Boba card fetch?

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Yeah, I was surprised to get it for a tad under $225. The last Bo sold for $500 a couple months ago, and LouRobs have been selling anywhere from $500 to $1000.

Heritage autos might not generate quite the same excitement they used to, but I think they’re still reasonably strong. My good fortune with this Yordan might just be more a case of collectors in wait-and-see mode, as to whether he can again be that guy we saw in ‘19.


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[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

If he spends the mass majority of his career as a DH, the hobby will view him differently. The effect will be seen in his values. History has shown this time and time again. Ortiz is basically the exception that proves the rule. Look at how much of an amazing career Ortiz needed to have, with plenty of big moments on the playoff/WS stage, and even now he’s not as much of a hobby darling as you would think.

I’m 100% rooting for Yordan to be the one to defy the DH odds though. I think he has a lot of things going for him that could make it happen. One thing Yordan has that some of the other DH’s greats don’t, is a clearly defined 1st prospect card/RC card.

I don't know man. Ortiz's 1997 Fleer sells for $400+ in PSA 10 with a lot of recent sales. That's hobby strong in my book. Maybe that card was short printed or something, but it's widely available and highly expensive.

I'm still looking for the superstar DH that the hobby has turned its back on? That list is pretty much limited to Edgar Martinez and I can make a strong argument that he's not a superstar at all.

I simply don't think history has shown it time and again. In fact I think it's more likely that there isn't a positional premium at all! There is, but it's much smaller than people think and it only affects prices in certain situations. IMO there is no difference between Yordan being a DH, a bad fielding 1b, or a bad fielding LF. Or a good fielding 3b or 2b for that matter.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

I completely understand some naysaying, but there needs to be a big asterisk next to every comment about being only a DH. Since Dusty started putting him back in the field, he started nearly 40% of his games in LF and it's been reported multiple times that the Astros were working him out at 1st with intentions of him eventually moving there. He has proven to be a serviceable LF at home where the responsibilities are low because of the short porch and wall, so I completely believe in him being able to handle 1B to a serviceable level as well. The narrative changes a lot if he does go from being only a DH to being a light fielding/heavy hitting 1B. Only time will tell where he ends up playing during his prime.

When I saw Yordan in the AFL he was at 1b and I thought he moved around the bag OK. I never envisioned him playing the OF. With that physique and contact ability I simply wouldn't want to take any extra injury risk.

I don't think the narrative changes at all if he goes from DH to even an average fielding 1b. It all comes down to his bat. If he hits .275/33/105 his prices stay flat. If he hits .295/43/110 they go up (prolly 2x). If he hits .310/48/110 (Vlad this year) his base gem is up 4x next November.

[OhioPlayer]

Originally Posted by towerymt

Ya got me. Wow, no one wanted that card?! 3rd highest bid was $176.50 and 4th was $131. I dropped a $199 to see where we were and then a rather light $222.22 at the end. Wasn't too surprised to be outbid...but surprised I was 2nd.

Scan made it look like the lower left got snagged on the sleeve, but is it just a spot of dust?

I like heritage red autos the best- so clean.

[sigmachi]

Originally Posted by towerymt

Ya got me. Wow, no one wanted that card?! 3rd highest bid was $176.50 and 4th was $131. I dropped a $199 to see where we were and then a rather light $222.22 at the end. Wasn't too surprised to be outbid...but surprised I was 2nd.

Scan made it look like the lower left got snagged on the sleeve, but is it just a spot of dust?

I can almost guarantee that it isn't a spot of dust. Those heritage autos are in the worst shape of any modern cards I own. I own 6 of the red inks and a buddy of mine owns 3 and an 8.5 is the highest grade on any of them.

I will also say the blue ink's may be even worse. I sent 7 in to BGS and the highest I got was an 8.

[Bambino22]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Just in time for Game 7!!

Wait, what?


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Great pick up! Another one is on auction I've been thinking about going for.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

Great pick up! Another one is on auction I've been thinking about going for.

I encourage you to get it.

One of the issues with Heritage rookies, at least among the big names of the past few years, is that the photos tend to be really boring.

Static poses are fine, but there needs to be some life to them. The Vlad mystery auto is nice, the HHN not so much. Acuna, Gleyber, Soto, Bichette—they all have bleh photos.

The Tatis and LouRob photos are decent, and at least one of the Ohtani autos is pretty good.

But the Yordan is probably the best-looking one of all the recent stars. Assuming he blows up next year, that could give this card a little extra boost.


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