Patrick Mahomes Prices

[jjrpilot]

Originally Posted by BennyA

As someone with no rooting interest in either side this is one of my favorite threads every year as you have the same guys popping in every time Patrick throws a pick, the Chiefs lose a single game or he has a wet fart and try to dance on his and the Chiefs' graves. This appears to be a combo group of true fans of other teams he has not allowed a super bowl win and those who are just sour they missed out on the money made on him or are holding other heavy QB bags.

Then you have the same extreme defenders every year who just CANNOT ignore these folks and have to respond with the same stats and arguments about his greatness or why it's largely the rest of the teams fault when they lose. This appears to be a combo group of true Chiefs diehards and also others who are holding heavy Mahomes bags and might be starting to feel pressure he may not get those 6-8 rings the prices appear to have baked in.

Then in the middle of all that shrapnel flying back and forth there are actually a few guys trying to have a relevant discussion of performance and team needs and you are the unsung heroes. It is all a very entertaining show that repeats every single season.

BO is the best LOL

[KardsC1]

So if mahomes don’t get to 6 SBs, his prices fall flat???
How come Kobe, curry, lebrons cards don’t go flat, as they won’t get to MJs level? Mahomes is one of , if not the biggest name in American sports presently…card prices don’t always align with championships alone

[jacksonjj]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Can you imagine Michael Jordan or Tom Brady missing the playoffs in their prime? Hell, Peyton Manning didn't miss the playoffs in his prime.

If you want to be a Goat you shouldn't be missing the playoffs like this. I think we are all seeing who the true cog was in the KC offense and it's exactly as I stated in this thread a while back. It's Travis Kelce. I said when he declines, Patrick won't be the same anymore and as we've seen the past couple years and into this year so far, that has played out exactly that way.

Next up, aging Big Russ and the Giants on the road. With the Ravens after that, this is a must win.

There aren't enough smh emojis for this take.

[tjforce]

2 games into the season, so small sample size but Mahomes is:

-4th in the league in QBR
-1st in the league in Expected Points Added
-2nd in Points Contributed

Coupled with the fact that team has only scored 38 points in 2 games, its says a few things about this play:

-He's doing almost all of the work himself: not only is he just the second QB since 1950 to lead his team in rushing yards by 2x in back to back games, but his receivers and Oline aren't giving him much help either. I compared him with a few of his AFC contemporaries through two games and this helps us paint a picture of how little help he's getting:

Drops:
Lamar: 0
Herbert: 0
Allen: 3
Mahomes: 5

YAC per receptions:
Lamar: 5.3
Herbert: 5.0
Allen: 5.0
Mahomes: 4.6

Pressure Rate:
Herbert: 8.2%
Allen: 8.5%
Lamar: 12.7%
Mahomes: 21.2% (alarming)

So not only is there no run game, but his pass catchers are dropping balls at a high rate, not getting much yardage once they do catch it, and the Oline is allowing a pressure rate 2.5x what Herbert and Allen are.


This would almost seem like a lost cause for this offense if not for 2 things:
-Rashee Rice and Xavier Worthy should really change things when they are back.

-The Chargers and Eagles are two of the best defenses in football.

So there's the silver lining. 0-2 sucks, but Mahomes is playing well, so I'm not going to panic until they've lost 4 of their 6 games. At that point, there would be a lot of worry since the margin or error would become so thin.


But just to show that I'm not putting it all on the rest of the team, the biggest critique I have of his play so far have been his very slow starts to the game. In both games he's had almost no production in the first quarter, and then gets it going after that. He'll need to find a way to manufacture offense to start the game, and then maybe things look different if the team is playing with the lead.

[Fenway55]

Kansas City is going to make the playoffs, but IMHO the AFC is much like it was last year in that the #1 seed is a huge deal. I just don't see them getting that top seed this year.

[Grave252]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

So if mahomes don’t get to 6 SBs, his prices fall flat???
How come Kobe, curry, lebrons cards don’t go flat, as they won’t get to MJs level? Mahomes is one of , if not the biggest name in American sports presently…card prices don’t always align with championships alone

I'll try and answer this, at least in some sort of way. I think Mahomes is in a unique position from the other 3. With the other 3 names you mentioned, total championships accumulated is less relevant. Lebron lived up to all expectations and is objectively a top 2 player all time (in most people's eyes). Kobe is an all time great with a cult following and it's fair to say his cards have been elevated by his untimely death. Curry was never touted as a goat, so the hobby didn't see him chasing Jordan in that capacity. He made his own lane.

As for Mahomes - he was cursed by getting really hot during the Covid boom, at a time where hobby speculation really started in earnest. Lebron, Kobe, and Curry were from a "different" era in which their cards were priced in real time based on current achievements. Mahomes won 3 SB'S quickly and as such, his cards went nuclear and future achievements were baked into the price. Values reflect(ed) him as the heir to Brady who may win 6+ SB's. To me his cards won't fall flat, but if his career ends with 3 SB's then yeah the market would have to re-price his cards. Championships are not the end all be all, but for Mahomes they do play a disproportionately large role in his hobby value, IMO. At least for a 3+ year period there was an opportunity for upside in Mahomes, nowadays the hyped players have GOAT prices baked in before they play a single game (see - Wemby).

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

So if mahomes don’t get to 6 SBs, his prices fall flat???
How come Kobe, curry, lebrons cards don’t go flat, as they won’t get to MJs level? Mahomes is one of , if not the biggest name in American sports presently…card prices don’t always align with championships alone

It’s a combination of things. If he’s stuck on 3 championships and his stats continue to be unsexy during his prime, I would expect a dip short term but honestly not too much. Expectations of tremendous upward growth however would have to dampen. He’s got big numbers to start his career like Dan Marino but unlike Dan he’s got 3 rings. Hes a future hall of famer and his rookie cards are from 2017 which is before the parallel bastardization boom.

[KardsC1]

Take this with a grain of salt but the chiefs offense looked very good the last preseason game when all offense players were available (aside from Royals)…if we see this offense, watch out

[jacksonjj]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

Take this with a grain of salt but the chiefs offense looked very good the last preseason game when all offense players were available (aside from Royals)…if we see this offense, watch out

I don't think a grain of salt is needed at all. Mahomes & co just went up against 2 great defenses with a bunch of average WRs and a Swifty at TE, and were in each game until the very end. With Worthy and Rice running around out there look out.

I think the league and BO naysayers know the inevitable is coming and don't want to admit it. Go ahead and dance on their graves now you got 4 weeks left..

[imbluestreak23]

Guys, no point in engaging with JohnnyHatesEveryone and lil Buffalo Boi Prison Cheeks.

Engage in dialogue with an adult naysayer, not the children of BO.

[JoshMN]

I'd be short-selling Mahomes this season if there was a practical and low transaction cost way to do that.

As an Eagles fan, I've seen late-stage Andy Reid and it ain't pretty. I still have the stench of Todd Pinkston and James Thrash in my nostrils. It feels like that kind of season for the Chiefs. And don't get me wrong... still love Andy... but he's reached that low creativity and low enthusiasm stage of his KC tenure.

Mark it down: Patty is going to win one more SB before his career ends, but it won't be this year and it won't be with Andy Reid.

[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by JoshMN

I'd be short-selling Mahomes this season if there was a practical and low transaction cost way to do that.

As an Eagles fan, I've seen late-stage Andy Reid and it ain't pretty. I still have the stench of Todd Pinkston and James Thrash in my nostrils. It feels like that kind of season for the Chiefs. And don't get me wrong... still love Andy... but he's reached that low creativity and low enthusiasm stage of his KC tenure.

Mark it down: Patty is going to win one more SB before his career ends, but it won't be this year and it won't be with Andy Reid.

Go birds!

But yes agree, Mahomes will win 1-2 more super bowls before his career is over. I just don’t see how he doesn’t. He’s that good


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[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Guys, no point in engaging with JohnnyHatesEveryone and lil Buffalo Boi Prison Cheeks.

Engage in dialogue with an adult naysayer, not the children of BO.

Yeah it's hard to debate a debate champion. Quitter.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by jacksonjj

I don't think a grain of salt is needed at all. Mahomes & co just went up against 2 great defenses with a bunch of average WRs and a Swifty at TE, and were in each game until the very end. With Worthy and Rice running around out there look out.

I think the league and BO naysayers know the inevitable is coming and don't want to admit it. Go ahead and dance on their graves now you got 4 weeks left..

Oh wow, let's see if Rice the savior can help you win games. Just focus on your next week game against Giants and fight for your live to avoid 0-3 (Yikesss)

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by Delta5

Oh wow, let's see if Rice the savior can help you win games. Just focus on your next week game against Giants and fight for your live to avoid 0-3 (Yikesss)

Fight for their lives? They don’t need to.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/15/sports...-don-la-greca/

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Fight for their lives? They don’t need to.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/15/sports...-don-la-greca/

ESPN saying the nfl will cheat after taking over the nfl network is hilarious.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Fight for their lives? They don’t need to.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/15/sports...-don-la-greca/

On prime time too? Sign me up! Would love to see Mahomies getting bailed out once again by the refs

[Hellcat]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

So if mahomes don’t get to 6 SBs, his prices fall flat???
How come Kobe, curry, lebrons cards don’t go flat, as they won’t get to MJs level? Mahomes is one of , if not the biggest name in American sports presently…card prices don’t always align with championships alone

Don't get it twisted outside of KC Kermit doesn't have much fanfare. Ohtani sits atop the mountain and it's not even close. Several athletes are ahead of Kermit.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

Don't get it twisted outside of KC Kermit doesn't have much fanfare. Ohtani sits atop the mountain and it's not even close. Several athletes are ahead of Kermit.

It's crazy how Ohtani is way more collectible with only 1 ring than mahomes is with 3 rings. Personality also a thing, nobody hate on Ohtani. Can't say the same thing about kermit

[tjforce]

Nothing tells you that an athlete has made it into the fabric of American pop culture than when losers come to places like this to constantly bad mouth them.


By that metric Mahomes is already on Mount Rushmore. And maybe one day people will actually care enough about other current QBs to actually talk about them in their own thread

[jjrpilot]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Nothing tells you that an athlete has made it into the fabric of American pop culture than when losers come to places like this to constantly bad mouth them.

I'm a big Ichiro fan. I love the guy. It'd be like me always going to the Mike Trout thread or Ohtani thread and just trash the guys bc I like Ichiro better.

It makes zero sense.

I get posting on a thread of a guy you DO like, I don't understand constantly posting on a thread a guy you DON'T like. It's pretty funny. This particular person doesn't even post much in the "other" thread of the guy he supposedly does like.

Other guy thread as of now view wise? 64,036
Mahomes thread view wise? 2,635,529

The proof is in the pudding LOL

Now...back to Mahomes. I've sold a few but definitely not all of my Mahomes stuff in the last few months but have my eyes on some other Mahomes stuff...and if prices settle back down I'm game. Also, if the O-line doesn't get its act together it's gonna be a rough year. When Mahomes has more rushing yards than the RB's ....that's not a good sign.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

I'm a big Ichiro fan. I love the guy. It'd be like me always going to the Mike Trout thread or Ohtani thread and just trash the guys bc I like Ichiro better.

It makes zero sense.

I get posting on a thread of a guy you DO like, I don't understand constantly posting on a thread a guy you DON'T like. It's pretty funny. This particular person doesn't even post much in the "other" thread of the guy he supposedly does like.

Other guy thread as of now view wise? 64,036
Mahomes thread view wise? 2,635,529

The proof is in the pudding LOL

Now...back to Mahomes. I've sold a few but definitely not all of my Mahomes stuff in the last few months but have my eyes on some other Mahomes stuff...and if prices settle back down I'm game. Also, if the O-line doesn't get its act together it's gonna be a rough year. When Mahomes has more rushing yards than the RB's ....that's not a good sign.

Josh Simmons didn't even give a single pressure yet Mahomes is unsettled in the pocket. His accuracy is also way down. He's the most overrated qb in the league and everyone is just scared of his past accolades and Db scared to touch him because they know they'll get flagged

[bluebirds987]

Originally Posted by Delta5

Josh Simmons didn't even give a single pressure yet Mahomes is unsettled in the pocket. His accuracy is also way down. He's the most overrated qb in the league and everyone is just scared of his past accolades and Db scared to touch him because they know they'll get flagged

Thanks for proving his point.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by bluebirds987

Thanks for proving his point.

For sure, it's going to be a long season for you guys

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

I'm a big Ichiro fan. I love the guy. It'd be like me always going to the Mike Trout thread or Ohtani thread and just trash the guys bc I like Ichiro better.

It makes zero sense.

I get posting on a thread of a guy you DO like, I don't understand constantly posting on a thread a guy you DON'T like. It's pretty funny. This particular person doesn't even post much in the "other" thread of the guy he supposedly does like.

Other guy thread as of now view wise? 64,036
Mahomes thread view wise? 2,635,529

The proof is in the pudding LOL

Now...back to Mahomes. I've sold a few but definitely not all of my Mahomes stuff in the last few months but have my eyes on some other Mahomes stuff...and if prices settle back down I'm game. Also, if the O-line doesn't get its act together it's gonna be a rough year. When Mahomes has more rushing yards than the RB's ....that's not a good sign.

Victim's of the moment. Same as it ever was.

There's a lot of cool stuff coming out now that he signed for Panini again. Makes you wonder if he's going to sign for Fanatics and what kind of stuff they'll put out. An actual game used Patch Auto would be huge out the gate.