Alleged Card Trimmer and Former PSA Employee Mike Souza Exposed— eBay ID= 9999rbush - Page 17

pspa123 · 03-17-2021, 11:42 AM

We'll see if MHCC does anything now that they have been informed.

Thunderdunk · 03-17-2021, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

We'll see if MHCC does anything now that they have been informed.

Its still up for auction, and they have all the information they need. It stinks that someone thinking they will be getting a "Black Label 10" on this one only to find out later is was reperforated and altered. It will do more damage to the industry as a whole if this type of blind eye continues.

When SuperDan first posted about this exact BGS 10 BL, it was August of 2019... They had plenty of time to do their homework. Funny how the person selling this used this auction house above Goldin. That should tell the bidders all they need to know. Not saying MHCC is bad or inferior but a piece like that, would command a huge price on Goldin if it was legit... just saying they did not want the visibility/emails/social media/books that Goldin would have given that one.

Tomi · 03-17-2021, 03:41 PM

Is it just me or does the bottom of both vertical sides taper inward on the BGS 10 Tiger? Just look at the gap between the card and holder on both sides on the bottom vertical edges compared to the top.

pspa123 · 03-17-2021, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunderdunk

Its still up for auction, and they have all the information they need. It stinks that someone thinking they will be getting a "Black Label 10" on this one only to find out later is was reperforated and altered. It will do more damage to the industry as a whole if this type of blind eye continues.

When SuperDan first posted about this exact BGS 10 BL, it was August of 2019... They had plenty of time to do their homework. Funny how the person selling this used this auction house above Goldin. That should tell the bidders all they need to know. Not saying MHCC is bad or inferior but a piece like that, would command a huge price on Goldin if it was legit... just saying they did not want the visibility/emails/social media/books that Goldin would have given that one.

Maybe they will still do something or respond but an auction house doing the ostrich thing would not surprise me.

pspa123 · 03-17-2021, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomi

Is it just me or does the bottom of both vertical sides taper inward on the BGS 10 Tiger? Just look at the gap between the card and holder on both sides on the bottom vertical edges compared to the top.

Yes I asked that in post 392.

superdan49 · 03-17-2021, 06:14 PM

I believe Goldin would not have taken this card. Whatever facts one wants to bring out about Goldin's past, he is removing altered stuff in the present that that is a huge positive for the hobby.

I am hoping Mr. Drent at Mile High removes this card. He was the go-to spot for Gary Moser after PWCC cut ties with him in summer of 2019 FWIW:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1302127

pip · 03-17-2021, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomi

Is it just me or does the bottom of both vertical sides taper inward on the BGS 10 Tiger? Just look at the gap between the card and holder on both sides on the bottom vertical edges compared to the top.

It's not just you. When the card was recut/reperfed, it was done at an angle that made the card look even more fugly. It should be pretty obvious to everyone by now how Souza got a black label on it. I'd have to say that it probably should win an award for the most atrocious piece of sh*t ever to sit inside a BGS 10 BL holder.

pip · 03-17-2021, 08:50 PM

Rovel is wrong about perforated cards. There are tons of examples that were intentionally perforated (or deckled) for effect that were meant to be collected. There are even some modern cards with some types of diecuts that are highly unusual. They're all cards and they all can be graded. Even cards with rounded corners (game cards) can be graded.

pip · 03-17-2021, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

I believe Goldin would not have taken this card. Whatever facts one wants to bring out about Goldin's past, he is removing altered stuff in the present that that is a huge positive for the hobby.

I am hoping Mr. Drent at Mile High removes this card. He was the go-to spot for Gary Moser after PWCC cut ties with him in summer of 2019 FWIW:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1302127

I wasn't an initial supporter of Goldin when he jumped into the auction business, but I've spoken to him and his employees and I really like the new direction he has taken. As far as I can tell, he's doing all the right things, including some incredible promotion of the hobby.

MoreToppsPlease · 03-17-2021, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

I wasn't an initial support of Goldin when he jumped into the auction business, but I've spoken to him and his employees and I really like the new direction he has taken. As far as I can tell, he's doing all the right things, including some incredible promotion of the hobby.

He has capital to work with and investors to placate now.

auburn35 · 03-18-2021, 12:18 AM

The reverse also shows off the angled cut, really well.

Will be interesting to see if Milehigh proceeds to sell. Based on previous "reviews" of altered cards, I'm guessing Beckett will provide a letter of support.

pip · 03-18-2021, 12:34 AM

Now that I'm taking a closer look at it, the top looks bowed too. High in the middle and lower on both sides. Maybe Souza bought the perforating equivalent of Evan's $7.99 paper cutter.

pip · 03-18-2021, 12:40 AM

Some interesting information here: https://www.espn.com/golfonline/mast...9/1170680.html

pip · 03-18-2021, 12:52 AM

At first I thought this article from PSA had a small image of Souza's $125,000 PSA 10 1996 SIFK Tiger Woods card....

https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...s-100-000-mark

...but then I took a closer look and saw that it had a sliver of the yellow printing (from the adjacent card) along the left edge. So I guess that's not it because Souza has asserted in various interviews that his card was unusual because it had no yellow showing on any edge.

If anyone can find Souza's card - the very first PSA 10 SIFK Tiger Woods sold for big money and possibly the first 10 - please post an image or link.

Skeely · 03-18-2021, 12:55 AM

I cant read Mike Souza's name without craving a lean cuisine suiza enchilada tv dinner. I think im having withdrawls.

Badger Ben · 03-18-2021, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by pip

Now that I'm taking a closer look at it, the top looks bowed too. High in the middle and lower on both sides. Maybe Souza bought the perforating equivalent of Evan's $7.99 paper cutter.

I need more Card Buff!!!

superdan49 · 03-18-2021, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pip

At first I thought this article from PSA had a small image of Souza's $125,000 PSA 10 1996 SIFK Tiger Woods card....

https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...s-100-000-mark

...but then I took a closer look and saw that it had a sliver of the yellow printing (from the adjacent card) along the left edge. So I guess that's not it because Souza has asserted in various interviews that his card was unusual because it had no yellow showing on any edge.

If anyone can find Souza's card - the very first PSA 10 SIFK Tiger Woods sold for big money and possibly the first 10 - please post an image or link.

I assume that is just a stock image of a slabbed SI Kids Tiger they put in the article 20 years ago.

auburn35 · 03-18-2021, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

I assume that is just a stock image of a slabbed SI Kids Tiger they put in the article 20 years ago.

Back when you shared the ESPN video links, I commented that PSA originally had a PSA 10 (Souza's card?) pictured in that Joe Orlando article.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=179

PSA 10 - 07086325

If it's the correct card, the mystery buyer took a huge loss on the reported $125,000 purchase, as PSA notes that card recently sold for $14,999.00 in June of 2020.
Maybe PSA pulled a PWCC and used a stock photo for marketing their sales?

pspa123 · 03-18-2021, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by pip

Now that I'm taking a closer look at it, the top looks bowed too. High in the middle and lower on both sides. Maybe Souza bought the perforating equivalent of Evan's $7.99 paper cutter.

It's an abomination. And silence from MHCC, so far.

Thunderdunk · 03-18-2021, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by auburn35

If it's the correct card, the mystery buyer took a huge loss on the reported $125,000 purchase, as PSA notes that card recently sold for $14,999.00 in June of 2020.
Maybe PSA pulled a PWCC and used a stock photo for marketing their sales?

One of the reasons the seller took so much of a loss is because the pack pulled rookie was not out yet when that sale occurred. Golf Cards are not released every year, never have. I have been saying this and even discuss this in the "Tiger Woods Rookie Thread"

Pack pulled matters like in every sport and the SI Kids card, is a Gimmick card in my opinion. It has its place in Tiger's history (obviously, look at its price) but it is a insert from a magazine. Golf is not released every year like other sports so the first pack pulled rookie is the 2001 UD #1 Base and the 2001 SP Rookie Auto Limited to /900 (Green) or /100 (Gold). PSA does not even list the SI Kids Card as a Rookie. (See the thread above).

The sale of $125K for that SI Kids card, shows how popular Tiger was during that time. Tiger is a ICON! If the SP Rookie Auto was out it would have gone for much more in my opinion like it did the other day on Goldin. Sold for $336K

Not trying to trash the SI Kids Card. I even own 2 of them. But its not pack pulled and for the people that say it was released first... 1. It was from a magazine, not a pack 2. All minor league cards must now be considered the "true" rookie of every baseball player. Sorry Griffey, the UD now takes a back seat. (Which I do not believe is the case.)

Never the less, it is insane that MHCC lets that auction run.

Pink Pussycat · 03-18-2021, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

Maybe they will still do something or respond but an auction house doing the ostrich thing would not surprise me.

Yep... just like Heritage has done repeatedly.

Cannot believe Mile High continues to run this auction despite the overwhelming evidence. Their close ties to PSA must be a factor in this. I would not be surprised if PSA and Mile High have already discussed what plan of action will draw the least attention while still netting them the most money.

Never Get Cheated.

pspa123 · 03-18-2021, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pink Pussycat

Yep... just like Heritage has done repeatedly.

Cannot believe Mile High continues to run this auction despite the overwhelming evidence. Their close ties to PSA must be a factor in this. I would not be surprised if PSA and Mile High have already discussed what plan of action will draw the least attention while still netting them the most money.

Never Get Cheated.

It's a BGS card not PSA.

pspa123 · 03-18-2021, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunderdunk

One of the reasons the seller took so much of a loss is because the pack pulled rookie was not out yet when that sale occurred. Golf Cards are not released every year, never have. I have been saying this and even discuss this in the "Tiger Woods Rookie Thread"

Pack pulled matters like in every sport and the SI Kids card, is a Gimmick card in my opinion. It has its place in Tiger's history (obviously, look at its price) but it is a insert from a magazine. Golf is not released every year like other sports so the first pack pulled rookie is the 2001 UD #1 Base and the 2001 SP Rookie Auto Limited to /900 (Green) or /100 (Gold). PSA does not even list the SI Kids Card as a Rookie. (See the thread above).

The sale of $125K for that SI Kids card, shows how popular Tiger was during that time. Tiger is a ICON! If the SP Rookie Auto was out it would have gone for much more in my opinion like it did the other day on Goldin. Sold for $336K

Not trying to trash the SI Kids Card. I even own 2 of them. But its not pack pulled and for the people that say it was released first... 1. It was from a magazine, not a pack 2. All minor league cards must now be considered the "true" rookie of every baseball player. Sorry Griffey, the UD now takes a back seat. (Which I do not believe is the case.)

Never the less, it is insane that MHCC lets that auction run.

I am fine with it being his RC, just as I am fine with the 84 Fleer Update being Clemens' and the Bonds from the update sets being his. And the 101 being Jordan's. I understand your reasoning, just don't agree.

rebbrooks · 03-18-2021, 02:45 PM

What do you'll think of the BGS 9 for sale in the B/S/T section? It only has 28 perforations across top and bottom. He's asking $6500 for it.

Thunderdunk · 03-18-2021, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rebbrooks

What do you'll think of the BGS 9 for sale in the B/S/T section? It only has 28 perforations across top and bottom. He's asking $6500 for it.

Link to the Info

He put it up on ebay as well. Lots of them on eBay...

03-17-2021, 11:42 AM	#401
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,729	We'll see if MHCC does anything now that they have been informed. __________________ "We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur, or sharpen it to crystal clarity." Opening narration, The Outer Limits.

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Tomi Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 138	Is it just me or does the bottom of both vertical sides taper inward on the BGS 10 Tiger? Just look at the gap between the card and holder on both sides on the bottom vertical edges compared to the top. Last edited by Tomi; 03-17-2021 at 03:44 PM.

03-17-2021, 06:14 PM	#406
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	I believe Goldin would not have taken this card. Whatever facts one wants to bring out about Goldin's past, he is removing altered stuff in the present that that is a huge positive for the hobby. I am hoping Mr. Drent at Mile High removes this card. He was the go-to spot for Gary Moser after PWCC cut ties with him in summer of 2019 FWIW: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1302127 __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

03-18-2021, 12:18 AM	#411
auburn35 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,357	The reverse also shows off the angled cut, really well. Will be interesting to see if Milehigh proceeds to sell. Based on previous "reviews" of altered cards, I'm guessing Beckett will provide a letter of support. __________________ Ashley Lelie Rookie Collector, always looking for more.

03-17-2021, 08:50 PM	#408
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	Rovel is wrong about perforated cards. There are tons of examples that were intentionally perforated (or deckled) for effect that were meant to be collected. There are even some modern cards with some types of diecuts that are highly unusual. They're all cards and they all can be graded. Even cards with rounded corners (game cards) can be graded.

03-18-2021, 12:34 AM	#412
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	Now that I'm taking a closer look at it, the top looks bowed too. High in the middle and lower on both sides. Maybe Souza bought the perforating equivalent of Evan's $7.99 paper cutter.

03-18-2021, 12:40 AM	#413
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	Some interesting information here: https://www.espn.com/golfonline/mast...9/1170680.html

03-18-2021, 12:52 AM	#414
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	At first I thought this article from PSA had a small image of Souza's $125,000 PSA 10 1996 SIFK Tiger Woods card.... https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...s-100-000-mark ...but then I took a closer look and saw that it had a sliver of the yellow printing (from the adjacent card) along the left edge. So I guess that's not it because Souza has asserted in various interviews that his card was unusual because it had no yellow showing on any edge. If anyone can find Souza's card - the very first PSA 10 SIFK Tiger Woods sold for big money and possibly the first 10 - please post an image or link.

03-18-2021, 12:55 AM	#415
Skeely Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 1,553	I cant read Mike Souza's name without craving a lean cuisine suiza enchilada tv dinner. I think im having withdrawls.

03-18-2021, 02:45 PM	#424
rebbrooks Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 768	What do you'll think of the BGS 9 for sale in the B/S/T section? It only has 28 perforations across top and bottom. He's asking $6500 for it.