Hoops Hype Under 25 NBA Exec Poll

[ninjacookies]

Good hair should be flipped with Tatum.

Both have the same deep playoff experience, Trae's a more efficient scorer and better distributor, and both their teams are equally abysmal (toss that 'better defender' stuff in the wastebasket).


It seems Tatum's forever going to remain the exec darling because of his ideal physical build.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Good hair should be flipped with Tatum.

Both have the same deep playoff experience, Trae's a more efficient scorer and better distributor, and both their teams are equally abysmal (toss that 'better defender' stuff in the wastebasket).


It seems Tatum's forever going to remain the exec darling because of his ideal physical build.

Tatum is the basketball embodiment of the "I can change him" meme

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

Tatum is the basketball embodiment of the "I can change him" meme

Expect: KB24

Receive: peak Danny Granger

[Ericc5Bears]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Wrong

But keep thinking that

Typing wrong over and over again doesn't make you right lol. In both the 2020-21 and 2021-22 GM surveys the only two players under 25 who received votes for "If you were starting a franchise today and could sign any player in the NBA, who would it be?" were Luka and Zion. So it's a fairly simple conclusion that those guys are #1 and #2 for top players under 25.

[k13]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Tatum at 2 is a joke.

He's better or the same as Luka....

[k13]

This list has a Cleveland fan flair to it...

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Wrong

But keep thinking that

Tell me you don’t watch basketball without telling me you don’t watch basketball

2020-21 All NBA Voting:
Luka 402 points
Tatum 69 points
Zion 37 points
Bam 32 points
Trae 2 points

2021 All Stars:
Luka
Tatum
Zion

Recency bias is a helluva thing. I can't believe that it's been less than a year and people can't remember that Zion was one of the most dominant forces in the league. He was near the top of almost all box score metrics and fancy rankings. He had the votes of a lot of players and media, and it's not because they were trying to pump cards. It's because they were watching a 20 year old make a bunch of grown men look helpless. Whether he can stay healthy or not is a real question, but you want a guy with the highest ceiling, not the guy that is good enough to make you hover around 5th place in the conference every year. Also, I don't follow the Celtics too much but Tatum's shooting has fallen off a cliff and at least in the hobby everyone is jumping off the ship, but wonder how people around the NBA feel about him now

[regularp]

Trae Young being listed as the second best player under 25 is pure buffoonery. No wonder there are so many terribly run teams in the NBA.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by Ericc5Bears

Lol, the 20-year-old averaging 27-7-4 on elite efficiency isn't behind anybody on the list except for Luka let's make that 100% clear. With the injury/love for the game concerns I understand why he's lower, but as I said, if he comes back like he was before getting injured no GM in the league is taking guys like Trae/Tatum over him.

I totally agree.

Zion's far easier to build around than some of the other wannabe stars. I think Trae deserves his place above Zion along with Luka and that is it.

[jerrygarcia]

Originally Posted by k13

He's better or the same as Luka....

lol is he even the best player on his team?

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

Tell me you don’t watch basketball without telling me you don’t watch basketball

2020-21 All NBA Voting:
Luka 402 points
Tatum 69 points
Zion 37 points
Bam 32 points
Trae 2 points

2021 All Stars:
Luka
Tatum
Zion

Recency bias is a helluva thing. I can't believe that it's been less than a year and people can't remember that Zion was one of the most dominant forces in the league. He was near the top of almost all box score metrics and fancy rankings. He had the votes of a lot of players and media, and it's not because they were trying to pump cards. It's because they were watching a 20 year old make a bunch of grown men look helpless. Whether he can stay healthy or not is a real question, but you want a guy with the highest ceiling, not the guy that is good enough to make you hover around 5th place in the conference every year. Also, I don't follow the Celtics too much but Tatum's shooting has fallen off a cliff and at least in the hobby everyone is jumping off the ship, but wonder how people around the NBA feel about him now

I think asu's point is that, even if Zion comes back and is as good as he was last season, there are always gonna be concerns about his health and that's why he's not a clear #2.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by k13

He's better or the same as Luka....

Tatum's best season is on par with Luka's worst.

[dunkindutchmen]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Good hair should be flipped with Tatum.

Both have the same deep playoff experience, Trae's a more efficient scorer and better distributor, and both their teams are equally abysmal (toss that 'better defender' stuff in the wastebasket).


It seems Tatum's forever going to remain the exec darling because of his ideal physical build.

And Tatum is the far better defender and will age better given his size/athleticism edge. Trae is going to age like Iverson or worse.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by regularp

Trae Young being listed as the second best player under 25 is pure buffoonery. No wonder there are so many terribly run teams in the NBA.

He led a team to the eastern conference finals last year and lost to the team that won the finals in 6 games. No other player on that list has done anything remotely close.

Can't believe how much Trae Young disrespect there still is.

[hauntedcomputer]

All I see is yet more confirmation that half of all GMs are terrible at their jobs.

[sethc1020]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

I totally agree.

Zion's far easier to build around than some of the other wannabe stars. I think Trae deserves his place above Zion along with Luka and that is it.

How do you build around someone thats never on the court because he's hurt??

Also I know he's one of the youngest in the group but Im big on Anthony Edwards and think he needs to be a bit higher. Every time I watch him play you can just see he has "It" plus the drive to be great as well. He still needs to develop more consistency from 3 but the kid is lighting off the dribble and isn't scared to dunk on anyone. To me he's very similar to Morant but a bit bigger and honestly having watched players chuck 3s all game for the past 10 years its a breath of fresh air seeing these young guys take it to the rack and dunk on someone. I can see the game changing again with this younger bread back into what it was before the boring 3 ball became the NBA.

[ronaldkosh]

Luka and Ja look like the only two guys who could be the lead guy on a title team. And even Ja is more of a 1b.

[Grizzkid12]

1A/B: Luka/Ja
2A/B: Lamelo/Trae
3A/B: Zion/Ant


Everybody else

[daeve]

Originally Posted by ronaldkosh

Luka and Ja look like the only two guys who could be the lead guy on a title team. And even Ja is more of a 1b.

The only small guy I can think of who has been the best player on his team and won a title has been Curry... and that's with a tremendous team and with him being the best shooter of all-time. It's really tough for the Ja/Trae types to pull it off because they have such an uphill battle defensively.

Even CP3, a terrific defender, hasn't done it yet - though he certainly had a shot with Harden [but that year they nearly beat GS I'd say Harden was the better player].

Most championship/title teams are built on 2-way wings or exceptional/all-time bigs.

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by daeve

The only small guy I can think of who has been the best player on his team and won a title has been Curry... and that's with a tremendous team and with him being the best shooter of all-time. It's really tough for the Ja/Trae types to pull it off because they have such an uphill battle defensively.

Even CP3, a terrific defender, hasn't done it yet - though he certainly had a shot with Harden [but that year they nearly beat GS I'd say Harden was the better player].

Most championship/title teams are built on 2-way wings or exceptional/all-time bigs.

That's the disconnect between Hobby hype and GMs, or those of us who actually understand basketball. High usage little guards who are negatives on D aren't going to win titles, unless the teams surrounding them are completely built around their strengths / weaknesses. Granted, Memphis and Atlanta have done a great job of building their teams around those guys, but I still see a ceiling on them, barring opponents' injuries in the playoffs.

[tjforce]

I like how there are 3 Cavs in the top 15 of the Top Players list, and that Mobley is above Zion at 6 on the Players to Build Around list.

[jcardstore]

People overrate players based on highlights and box scores.

Take Mobley for example. If I created a poll on BO about who you would rather build around Mobley or Edwards it would probably be 90% Edwards because people just assume the player who gets the most highlights is the best.

Like grizz who would apparently take Edwards over Tatum, SGA, Bam, Mobley.. If you just look at his list it's clearly hobby hype > real basketball skill.

[Grizzkid12]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

People overrate players based on highlights and box scores.

Take Mobley for example. If I created a poll on BO about who you would rather build around Mobley or Edwards it would probably be 90% Edwards because people just assume the player who gets the most highlights is the best.

Like grizz who would apparently take Edwards over Tatum, SGA, Bam, Mobley.. If you just look at his list it's clearly hobby hype > real basketball skill.

Other than Tatum (who I think is overrated) none of the 4 you mentioned above have a shot in the world at ever getting an MVP or having the kind of impact to potentially carry a team on their back. Edwards does.

I'll take the high risk/ high ceiling guy over the good, solid basketball player all day everyday if I'm looking to start a franchise with a young player. Almost any team picking at the top of the lottery isn't just looking to add a nice, solid piece. They're looking for a franchise player.

If I already have a good, playoff caliber team and our time is now, the discussion can be different

[jcardstore]

My list:
1. Luka Doncic, Dallas (22)
2. Lamelo Ball, Charlotte (20)
3. Ja Morant, Memphis (22)
4. Jayson Tatum, Boston (23)
5. Trae Young, Atlanta (23)
6. Evan Mobley, Cleveland (20)
7. SGA, OKC (23)
8. Zion Williamson, New Orleans (21)
9. Bam Adebayo, Miami (24)
10. Cade Cunningham, Detroit (20)
11. Anthony Edwards, Minnesota (20)
12. Brandon Ingram, New Orleans (24)
13. Jamal Murray, Denver, (24)
14. Darius Garland, Cleveland (21)
15. De'Aaron Fox, Sacramento (24)

14 and 15 are tough, feels like most guys after Murray are fine in those spots. Biased about Garland obviously, you could change my mind with a good pitch.

I'm not super high on Fox but I'd rather build around a lead guard than a guy like Ayton or MPJ. Who's building a team around MPJ, honestly?

[Grizzkid12]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Like grizz who would apparently take Edwards over Tatum, SGA, Bam, Mobley.. If you just look at his list it's clearly hobby hype > real basketball skill.

Also, very nice move to call me out on my list when my top 6 are all in your top 11 and 5 of the 6 players are actually in your top 8

I get you think I'm a hypeboi or something, but you're really grasping at straws there..