Juan Soto Rejects $440M Offer From Nats

[bavariancream]

Originally Posted by roro17

You think Baltimore makes a move? They have low payroll and could move some top prospects like Grayson Rodriguez, Gunnar Henderson, Hall, Cowser and talent like Mullins and Mancini

Please, no.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by bavariancream

Please, no.

What would they do give him the stadium lol.

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[reddragonthe]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

He’s going to get something like $55-60M in arbitration the next two years. Then he is a free agent. So 15/440 values his free agency at age 26 at 13/380 (29.2). Trout got 12/426 (35.5) at age 28. Not clear if Soto/Boras wants one contract that takes him to age 40, or if he wants another crack at free agency around age 30-32. Judging on how Soto has bet on himself, I’d say second contract.

Yeah - he'll absolutely want an opt-out at 30-33. Boras wants the 2nd payday, too. Will maybe mean a lower AAV but they'll trade that for another crack at the piggy bank. Still going to be some crazy number and a lot of years, but he'll want an opt out.

I don't think he moves this summer. Would need to be a team contending NOW with serious pieces that they could move w/o mortgaging the future. Because no way you give up what it will take for 2.5 years and no plans to get him to re-sign.

[oplum29]

good for Soto to reject what is basically a lifetime deal to a crappy baseball team and also a deal where he's selling himself short.

he was smart enough to see the long term picture, because i have no clue what Mike Trout was thinking in his 12-year $426.5M deal that he signed back in 2019- the Angels are garbage.

as far as a trade deal goes, i think Boston and maybe the Yanks can offer up some pretty decent prospects in return, but idk about immediate impact players, or if there's even a team that can do that in baseball right now.

but it's pretty interesting what's going on right now

[KhalDrogo]

Nats aren’t winning anything any time soon with their current roster. Not only is the roster one of the worst in baseball, so is their farm. The sooner they trade him, the better. No use holding on to him for any more losing seasons.

[Natenator76]

Originally Posted by oplum29

good for Soto to reject what is basically a lifetime deal to a crappy baseball team and also a deal where he's selling himself short.

he was smart enough to see the long term picture, because i have no clue what Mike Trout was thinking in his 12-year $426.5M deal that he signed back in 2019- the Angels are garbage.

as far as a trade deal goes, i think Boston and maybe the Yanks can offer up some pretty decent prospects in return, but idk about immediate impact players, or if there's even a team that can do that in baseball right now.

but it's pretty interesting what's going on right now

Jays have a solid group of highly rated prospects that are all close to MLB ready as well

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by Natenator76

Jays have a solid group of highly rated prospects that are all close to MLB ready as well

enough to get Juan Soto though?

i think the Yanks and Red Sox have better prospects right now to land a deal, and i'd imagine the Yanks would probably have to give up Dominguez and Volpe in the deal.

Boston probably would have to part with Mayer and maybe Blaze Jordan or something like that...who knows.

[JWBlue]

He already has a ring. Wants go get paid now.

[Seitas]

If your team gets Soto it’s going to cost your top 3 or 4 prospects and at least 1 or 2 need to be top 10/20 guys. Then you’re going to need to add a couple of guys that are mlb ready to step in and contribute immediately that have several years of control. My giants would need to package something like this to even get the nats to listen: Logan Webb, Camilo Doval, Joey Bart, Marco Luciano, Kyle Harrison, Luis Matos and likely another of the Giants top prospects…and that still probably isn’t enough. Nats will get a haul.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Awful numbers? What? He's 7th in the NL with an .895 OPS, on pace for 35 HRs, has the best BB/K rate in the league, #3 in the NL in xwOBA. If that's awful, what's not awful???

His numbers are not awful this season but they are down:

-- career worst base running value: -2.8 BsR
-- mediocre defense: -4 DRS; -8 OAA
-- 2nd worst chase rate of career: 18.4%
-- career low batting average possibly due to career low line drive rate: 19.6%

[ThoseBackPages]

GOOD!

[Seitas]

His OPS+ is 160, meaning he is 60% better than average. If you think he’s having a poor year you don’t understand baseball.

[JRX]

Doubt the nats want just prospects, theyll most likely want mlb talent under team control.

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[JRX]

Originally Posted by Natenator76

Jays have a solid group of highly rated prospects that are all close to MLB ready as well

Are you trading bichette or vladdy?

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[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

His numbers are not awful this season but they are down:

-- career worst base running value: -2.8 BsR
-- mediocre defense: -4 DRS; -8 OAA
-- 2nd worst chase rate of career: 18.4%
-- career low batting average possibly due to career low line drive rate: 19.6%

Also have to consider the arc of the season. Whatever was going on prior to July is over. He was god awful until the last few weeks, and he’s still one of the best performers in baseball.

[JRX]

I dont think either the yanks have enough pre arb talent to get him. Dodgers and Padres could create better packages.

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[Seitas]

I actually think the orioles can put together the BEST package. Then maybe the Red Sox.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Seitas

I actually think the orioles can put together the BEST package. Then maybe the Red Sox.

Here's the scariest thought, what if hou gets him...

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[ThoseBackPages]

The Hobby:

Trout: Signs long term deal to stay with the Angels ..... what a moron!

Soto: Declines long term deal to stay with the Nationals ..... what a moron!

[JRX]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

The Hobby:

Trout: Signs long term deal to stay with the Angels ..... what a moron!

Soto: Declines long term deal to stay with the Nationals ..... what a moron!

Even soto signed people would claim he doesnt care about winning anymore, he should go to a better team etc

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[ucLAkers]

Ohtani & Soto to the Dodgers….

Muncy, Trea, and Belli all bye bye

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by JRX

Here's the scariest thought, what if hou gets him...

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Houston would have to trade a couple of their arms...and then pay him. I don't think they have anywhere close enough to get him anyways.

If you were the Yankees, would you give up Volpe and Dominguez in a package for Soto?

[blackbears86]

I just want him to go to a high value/marketable team on the east coast.



Yes, I want him on the Red Sox or the Yankees.

[SethMurphy]

This might be the greatest 2 weeks if the Nationals really do get aggressive in trying to trade him before the deadline.


Unfortunately for me (Yankees fan) and much of baseball, I think the Dodgers could put together a really strong package for him and not hurt their current roster. They have a crazy amount of pitching talent, which teams love in deals. Young, controlled arms.



EDIT - to answer the Yankees question above, I trade anyone not named Volpe honestly if we could. Dominguez, anyone else. Problem we would have is we would need to try and get them to take on someone like Joey Gallo because we wouldn't have enough roster spots to keep Soto, Judge, Stanton, Hicks, Gallo and Carpenter active right now without limiting our bench terribly.

I'd love to see something where Gallo goes as a major league player, Dominguez and prospect 1 and just let them take anyone they want from our Top-30 not named Volpe. Trade them 10 players for all I care.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Zauron

Houston would have to trade a couple of their arms...and then pay him. I don't think they have anywhere close enough to get him anyways.



If you were the Yankees, would you give up Volpe and Dominguez in a package for Soto?

Volpe plus Dominguez wont even be close to a start of a package. I'm thinking was would ask hou for say tucker, pena, one of the sp under control. I would be shocked if just gets dealt for a group of guys that havent sniffed above aa

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