Ohtani Guilt-O-Meter

[caflisch78]

Originally Posted by rms13

I'm just getting caught up on the most recent news. It sounds like "the interpreter" had over $100 million line of credit with the bookie. He stole $16 million from Ohtani to pay it down but he still owes the bookies $40 million. Someone broke it down that he'd have to have placed an average of 17 bets per day for 3-4 years straight to get to the total he placed. He also basically lived with Ohtani and was with him all the time including holidays and vacations. It all seems very unbelievable

but those feds and their investigative work!

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by jplarson

Thank you for proving my point!



Too many people believe "the truth is somewhere in the middle" fallacy. The truth is actually really easy if one follows Ohcctani's Razor.

I use Gillette’s.

[cbeauch87]

Some people in this thread are hopeless.

"I notice when $5 is missing from my account. There's no way Shohei didn't notice $16 million!"

Did you miss the part in the 37-page investigative report where it said that nobody had looked at said bank account once between 2018 and when Ippei started taking money from it in 2021? His Angels paychecks went into that account and nothing else. Know why? Because he has multiple bank accounts because he has so much money so he doesn't need to keep tabs on his accounts. His reps had access to every other account except that one. One that Ippei helped him set up in March of 2018.

Eventually, Ippei was able to change the control on that account so he was able to access the money on his personal phone and computer, and even called the bank pretending to be Shohei to authorize wire transfers. One time a bank employee got suspicious and froze the account. So he called back and was able to fool another employee into unlocking it and giving him access again.

And when Ohtani's reps asked for access to the account for tax purposes, Ippei told them that Shohei wanted that account to be kept private. Because he was stealing from it.

Shohei had nothing to do with this. Nothing. Take your conspiracy theories back to Truth Social before it goes under.

[MattRoc]

Originally Posted by caflisch78

I would believe this if I was part of the simulation and didn't hear/see what I did for myself.

Ohtani's own rep - we wired some payments for Ippei's debt's with Ohtani's knowledge

3 days later - I'm 100% a victim of theft, say my lawyers!!!

That has already been discussed ad nauseum. At that time, everything was going through Ippei and Ippei is the one that gave that information to the reps. A complete fumble job by the reps and Ohtani's entire team should probably be fired, but this isnt a situation of Ohtani changing his sotry because that story was literally made up by Ippei and fed to the rep for publication.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by rms13

I'm just getting caught up on the most recent news. It sounds like "the interpreter" had over $100 million line of credit with the bookie. He stole $16 million from Ohtani to pay it down but he still owes the bookies $40 million. Someone broke it down that he'd have to have placed an average of 17 bets per day for 3-4 years straight to get to the total he placed. He also basically lived with Ohtani and was with him all the time including holidays and vacations. It all seems very unbelievable

The important thing to remember is that things happen every day that someone said was unbelievable. Just because you can't understand it, doesn't make it untrue. There have been multiple things mentioned in this thread as impossible that in my line of work I have personally seen happen. It's all about perspective. To you, something might seem impossible, but that doesn't mean it is. Your judgments of impossibility are based upon your own knowledge and experiences. And sometimes things just happen to be outside your knowledge and experience.

[SoCalsFinest]

Originally Posted by cbeauch87

Some people in this thread are hopeless.

"I notice when $5 is missing from my account. There's no way Shohei didn't notice $16 million!"

Did you miss the part in the 37-page investigative report where it said that nobody had looked at said bank account once between 2018 and when Ippei started taking money from it in 2021? His Angels paychecks went into that account and nothing else. Know why? Because he has multiple bank accounts because he has so much money so he doesn't need to keep tabs on his accounts. His reps had access to every other account except that one. One that Ippei helped him set up in March of 2018.

Eventually, Ippei was able to change the control on that account so he was able to access the money on his personal phone and computer, and even called the bank pretending to be Shohei to authorize wire transfers. One time a bank employee got suspicious and froze the account. So he called back and was able to fool another employee into unlocking it and giving him access again.

And when Ohtani's reps asked for access to the account for tax purposes, Ippei told them that Shohei wanted that account to be kept private. Because he was stealing from it.

Shohei had nothing to do with this. Nothing. Take your conspiracy theories back to Truth Social before it goes under.

This ^

[daeve]

The level of irony of all this arguing about the Ohtani federal investigation legitimacy during the plethora of OJ trial memes popping up is truly incredible.

[pete2345]

The only one saying he is innocent is the blood sucking Lawyer figures.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by daeve

The level of irony of all this arguing about the Ohtani federal investigation legitimacy during the plethora of OJ trial memes popping up is truly incredible.

How is it ironic?

The OJ investigation concluded he was guilty. So I guess it's only ironic if you believe he was innocent. Do you?

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

The important thing to remember is that things happen every day that someone said was unbelievable. Just because you can't understand it, doesn't make it untrue. There have been multiple things mentioned in thread as impossible that in my line of work I have personally seen happen. It's all about perspective. To you, something might seem impossible, but that doesn't mean it is. Your judgments of impossibility are based upon your own knowledge and experiences. And sometimes things just happen to be outside your knowledge and experience.

Your making this post as a lawyer, if a bookie made this post talking about “their line of work” they would pretty much universally say there is no shot they would give 20 million credit lines and take 6 figures a game in action without some sort of in person vouch/meet etc

It's all about perspective. To you, something might seem impossible, but that doesn't mean it is. Your judgments of impossibility are based upon your own knowledge and experiences. And sometimes things just happen to be outside your knowledge and experience

Example: Ohtnai had 0 text messages about sports. This coukd very well mean he never bet sports ever it Could also mean he just bought a burner phone from Walmart

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

Your making this post as a lawyer, if a bookie made this post talking about “their line of work” they would pretty much universally say there is no shot they would give 20 million credit lines and take 6 figures a game in action without some sort of in person vouch/meet etc

It's all about perspective. To you, something might seem impossible, but that doesn't mean it is. Your judgments of impossibility are based upon your own knowledge and experiences. And sometimes things just happen to be outside your knowledge and experience

Example: Ohtnai had 0 text messages about sports. This coukd very well mean he never bet sports ever it Could also mean he just bought a burner phone from Walmart

Oh, but I never said anything was impossible. Nice try.

I just said that's not what the evidence is showing.

And to believe what the evidence isn't showing requires some pretty big assumptions. And you are the one making those assumptions. One of which is what a bookie would say in this thread. Because I have given a completely rational explanation for what a bookie would say that completely contradicts what you assume they would say. But you reject it because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Oh, and by the way, I've worked federal investigations. It's not hard to find when people use burner phones. To think the feds just gave up on Ohtani because he used a burner and they couldn't find it is extremely naive.

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Oh, but I never said anything was impossible. Nice try.
Because I have given a completely rational explanation for what a bookie would say that completely contradicts what you assume they would say. But you reject it because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Except you haven’t, you jsut think you have

[daeve]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

How is it ironic?

The OJ investigation concluded he was guilty. So I guess it's only ironic if you believe he was innocent. Do you?

because of the amount of people who believed he was innocent. Like what we're doing in this very thread, was also done around the time of OJ's trial, albeit without twitter/social media and forums.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

Except you haven’t, you jsut think you have

Oh, I have. Your rejection of it doesn't mean it isn't rational. You are stuck in this loop of thinking there can't be an explanation for something that you haven't anticipated. So there's no possible way to convince you otherwise. You will automatically reject it.

[Twalk1975]

Ippei is like 40 years old, let's say he's looking at 8-10 years for pleading guilty to the fraud/theft thing. What is your price for spending your 40's in prison? If Shohei is a degenerate gambler who's been gambling to the tune of $180 million the past few years, are you at all confident Shohei can pay your price when you get out? If Shohei is a degenerate gambler, are you confident Shohei doesn't get himself banned and that $700 million dollar contract voided while you're sitting in prison? The fact that Ippei is likely to plead guilty and is looking at real prison time is telling. People do whatever they can to avoid/minimize prison time, the Justice system only functions because of that fact, it would otherwise be in gridlock. The fall guy thing isn't really believable.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by daeve

because of the amount of people who believed he was innocent. Like what we're doing in this very thread, was also done around the time of OJ's trial, albeit without twitter/social media and forums.

It's not irony that people jumped to incorrect conclusions then, and are jumping to incorrect conclusions now. It's called human nature.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by Twalk1975

Ippei is like 40 years old, let's say he's looking at 8-10 years for pleading guilty to the fraud/theft thing. What is your price for spending your 40's in prison? If Shohei is a degenerate gambler who's been gambling to the tune of $180 million the past few years, are you at all confident Shohei can pay your price when you get out? If Shohei is a degenerate gambler, are you confident Shohei doesn't get himself banned and that $700 million dollar contract voided while you're sitting in prison? The fact that Ippei is likely to plead guilty and is looking at real prison time is telling. People do whatever they can to avoid/minimize prison time, the Justice system only functions because of that fact, it would otherwise be in gridlock. The fall guy thing isn't really believable.

Yeah if I'm a gambler I know the odds are better that Sho has some money if I take the fall then if we go down together. Pretty poor point to make there.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

It's not irony that people jumped to incorrect conclusions then, and are jumping to incorrect conclusions now. It's called human nature.

ok, the timing is ironic. I agree about human nature

[rms13]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

The important thing to remember is that things happen every day that someone said was unbelievable. Just because you can't understand it, doesn't make it untrue. There have been multiple things mentioned in this thread as impossible that in my line of work I have personally seen happen. It's all about perspective. To you, something might seem impossible, but that doesn't mean it is. Your judgments of impossibility are based upon your own knowledge and experiences. And sometimes things just happen to be outside your knowledge and experience.

My knowledge on this is basically the knowledge and opinions of several people who are deep in the world of sports gambling both legally and illegally that I've listened to discuss this. There is no way anyone would front the interpreter $100 million unless they believed they were dealing directly with Ohtani. Maybe this guy was passing himself off as Ohtani which I would believe. But I still don't believe Ohtani had no knowledge of what the guy was doing when you hear that there was even more money taken from him then originally reported. And with the amount of bets this guy was placing it's hard to believe Ohtani didn't know considering how much time they spend together. I also believe the ultra rich and/or famous don't play by the same rules or face the same consequences as the rest of us.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by rms13

My knowledge on this is basically the knowledge and opinions of several people who are deep in the world of sports gambling both legally and illegally that I've listened to discuss this. There is no way anyone would front the interpreter $100 million unless they believed they were dealing directly with Ohtani. Maybe this guy was passing himself off as Ohtani which I would believe. But I still don't believe Ohtani had no knowledge of what the guy was doing when you hear that there was even more money taken from him then originally reported. And with the amount of bets this guy was placing it's hard to believe Ohtani didn't know considering how much time they spend together. I also believe the ultra rich and/or famous don't play by the same rules or face the same consequences as the rest of us.

He wasn't fronted $100M. That's what people don't seem to understand.

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Oh, I have. Your rejection of it doesn't mean it isn't rational. You are stuck in this loop of thinking there can't be an explanation for something that you haven't anticipated. So there's no possible way to convince you otherwise. You will automatically reject it.

Take the conversations where Ippe asking for more credit and obv owes piles. He says sure no problem have whatever credit you need as long as I get my 500 a week… I know you are good for it. It’s very hard to come up with logical reasons how you could know somebody is good for 7-8 figures when you know they personally aren’t and then continue to give them millions of credit on top of that.

I think you view the operation as not caring where the money is coming from as long as they are getting paid, when they actually are gonna care very much where it’s coming from when owed 20 million and would prob need some assurances beyond “I’m good for it, always have been” to keep allowing the number to get bigger

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

He wasn't fronted $100M. That's what people don't seem to understand.

No he was likely continually
Fronted hundreds of thousands at a time while owing 8 figures. Let’s call it unlikely to do that for someone that makes say 200k a year


There is a huge difference in situations between (1) give 500k credit get paid give mroe credit and don’t care where it came from and (2) give 500k mroe credit to someone 8 figures in the hole

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by MattRoc

So despite a federal investigation that poured over tens of thousands of text messages from all sides, reviewed the cell phone records and browser histories of all sides, obtained evidence of Ippei impersonating Ohtani on phone calls to banks, etc., we're back at square 1?

This isn't taking the word of Ohtani or his team. This is reading the results of an in-depth investigation by federal organizations and investigators that don't give two you know whats about protecting a Japanese baseball player.

Lots of people in this thread reminding me of QAnon'ers...

[Trueblue]

My takeaway from reading the transcript was that the bookie didn't care if Ippei owed $5M or $50M as long as he paid $500k regularly. If he cuts Ippei off, the likelihood of Ippei stopping the $500K payments is higher. Why not let him keep digging himself in a deeper hole and collect? Even if you don't get the full $40M, it keeps Ippei degenerately engaged and scrapping $500K a week.

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

My takeaway from reading the transcript was that the bookie didn't care if Ippei owed $5M or $50M as long as he paid $500k regularly. If he cuts Ippei off, the likelihood of Ippei stopping the $500K payments is higher. Why not let him keep digging himself in a deeper hole and collect? Even if you don't get the full $40M, it keeps Ippei degenerately engaged and scrapping $500K a week.

(1) he could win and you don’t want ti get free rolled for millions
(2) he claimed he already paid like 1/2 the total to his partner out of pockets. Obv this could be a total lie to try and collect but very possible he wasn’t final guy and agent for someone. Like was he really gonna take 300 million in action from one guy, but if he’s sub agent or laying some off he can’t always do the above