Fernando Tatis Jr

[The Nasty Nati]

Originally Posted by arod305

Baseball in general is getting hammered. The market outside of Trout and super high end (gold or better bc autos) is very soft. The NFL starting back in full swing and NBA heading into the conference finals won't help either.

MLB was the most affected season from the virus and I just don't think anyone really cares about it. Its crazy to me as good as Juan Soto continues to show he is that you can buy a US300 PSA 10 for $220. A Shai Gilgeous-Alexander PSA 10 still sells for $240 to put things in perspective of how soft the MLB market is right now. I understand the NBA market is much larger, but that is just crazy. Juan Soto has to be up there in some degree comparable to a Tatum or Doncic as far as quality. Hell a Gardner Minshew PSA 10 prizm outsells a us300

Have to hope things will return to form next year. Not sure anyone cares about a MVP in a 60 game season either, minus maybe if Trout wins to add to his legacy.

Yeah, but there's over 13K PSA 10 Sotos. That's nearing junk wax level. Even a 1989 UD Griffey PSA 10 is much rarer.

[biggieruth]

Originally Posted by jasonm2121

You again

I'm not allow to a have opinion? Your taken this hobby to serious vertical vs horizontal RD. Have some fun. Here is another horizontal Tatis Jr RD you might like I just got in a few days ago jasonm2121.

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[biggieruth]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

if one must worry about a 21 year old, one must consider collecting someone else, or someTHING else

I would hate to be 50-70% of the people in this hobby nowadays. They can't even enjoy watching sport's. Every basket,touchdown,goal,home run,the player does hinges on their monetary value of their sports card. Like I said this hobby is turning into Stock market and Day Trader their livelyhood and investments are tide to these cards more then anything else. It's nothing wrong with that. At the end of the day where in a capitalistic society everyone wants to turn a profit. This also takes the fun out the hobby and causes people to draw lines and negative arguments about certain cards one group in the hobby invested in versus the group that invested in the other card. It takes away from constructive dialog and stunts the growth in the hobby at the end of day. Just my opinion.

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[jasonm2121]

Originally Posted by biggieruth

I'm not allow to have opinion? Your taken this hobby to serious vertical vs horizontal RD. Have some fun. Here is another horizontal Tatis Jr RD you might like I just got in a few days ago jasonm2121.

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No, that is me teasing Backpages. I like both!

[biggieruth]

These Tatis Jr cards also came in. I also have some extra Yellow Walgreen SP RC's trade or sale if anyone interested


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[Cards and 401K]

Originally Posted by jasonm2121

No, that is me teasing Backpages. I like both!

Very Nice!! I have 5 Yellow Tatis Jr's @ PSA now.

[slaneyjason]

Do we have any print run info for the all star stamp 410? I just grabbed a raw copy for $35 because I didn’t have one yet and it seemed cheap. I can’t find any info though


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[Maxcd]

Originally Posted by slaneyjason

Do we have any print run info for the all star stamp 410? I just grabbed a raw copy for $35 because I didn’t have one yet and it seemed cheap. I can’t find any info though


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No idea what the PR is, but if there are an equal amount of ASG sets to Hobby/Foilboard, that makes 700/5*162, which is 22.6k. Way lower than the 200-300k the base probably is.

"""""Investors""""" stray away from it because it isn't the base RC. I think there's no good reason why ASG/Montgomery Club stamps shouldn't command a premium just like they normally would.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by biggieruth

Cards have a set price like vintage and establish players rookies just like establish stocks like fortunate 500.

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It is downright scary that today's sportscards "investors" have the mentality like this, comparing owning Tatis cards to owning stocks of fortune 500 companies.

[biggieruth]

Originally Posted by Cards and 401K

Very Nice!! I have 5 Yellow Tatis Jr's @ PSA now.

I got a graded PSA 9 yellow Tatis Jr.

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[pewe]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

It is downright scary that today's sportscards "investors" have the mentality like this, comparing owning Tatis cards to owning stocks of fortune 500 companies.

His sentence made no sense to me... even when looking at it from an equity investment perspective.


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[Trout Fan]

Originally Posted by pewe

His sentence made no sense to me... even when looking at it from an equity investment perspective.


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That is where the market has evolved

[biggieruth]

Originally Posted by Trout Fan

That is where the market has evolved

Certain stocks have set establish prices that was set and establish for years in the market. Same as 52 mantle,86 Jordan is equivalent to a fortune 500 company stocks.

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[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by biggieruth

Certain stocks have set establish prices that was set and establish for years in the market. A 52 mantle is equivalent to a first generation fortune 500 company.

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So would that make Tatis something like Nikola?

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by pewe

His sentence made no sense to me... even when looking at it from an equity investment perspective.

Nothing he says makes much sense. English probably isn't his first language.

[biggieruth]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

So would that make Tatis something like Nikola?

More like Workhouse or AMD stock.

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[biggieruth]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Nothing he says makes much sense. English probably isn't his first language.

Just showing the similarities on the way people treat this hobby like stocks. Is that to hard to comprehend or understand ?

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[JVO]

Abandon the Tatis Ship everyone! Sell me your cards!!!! Hes tanking. Shortened season. He got lucky with those home runs. They were all against dud pitchers.

[benz35]

Originally Posted by JVO

Abandon the Tatis Ship everyone! Sell me your cards!!!! Hes tanking. Shortened season. He got lucky with those home runs. They were all against dud pitchers.

so this guy a bust eh? joined a multi sport break and got his psa 10 chrome prism might trade for some basketball or soccer cards

[pewe]

Originally Posted by biggieruth

Certain stocks have set establish prices that was set and establish for years in the market. Same as 52 mantle,86 Jordan is equivalent to a fortune 500 company stocks.

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I guess the reason I’m struggling with this is interpreting what you mean by “certain stocks have set establish prices”.

Do you mean the market has established prices based on something like multiple of ‘21 revenue expectation (common in software), where the scale of the multiple is set by comparable software companies with similar “rule of 40” or similar gross/net margins, similar growth rate, etc.

So you can estimate appropriate valuation for a company based on your forward expectation of performance relative to current pricing comps?

If this is what you are saying, then, “yes” it is something I try to do in baseball cards, too. Figure out who I think is over or under valued based on my expectations and the comps of who else has similarities.

Of course it is not simple, as so many things come in:
— performance (on field, awards)
— player popularity (may not track performance)
— availability of cards (they may be included in few or all releases)
— trajectory towards HOF
— zeitgeist (marketability outside baseball)

Then there is the effect of individual product.
— flagship paper on ascendancy (for graders / flippers)
— heritage and flagship chrome waning
— sapphire went from dud to stud
— flagship paper parallels ignored outside gold and black, now they are revered
— complete set foilboard ignored until the hunt for Acuna made it exciting

The product popularity evolves, just like player popularity does


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[Danderlion]

Originally Posted by arod305

Baseball in general is getting hammered. The market outside of Trout and super high end (gold or better bc autos) is very soft. The NFL starting back in full swing and NBA heading into the conference finals won't help either.

MLB was the most affected season from the virus and I just don't think anyone really cares about it. Its crazy to me as good as Juan Soto continues to show he is that you can buy a US300 PSA 10 for $220. A Shai Gilgeous-Alexander PSA 10 still sells for $240 to put things in perspective of how soft the MLB market is right now. I understand the NBA market is much larger, but that is just crazy. Juan Soto has to be up there in some degree comparable to a Tatum or Doncic as far as quality. Hell a Gardner Minshew PSA 10 prizm outsells a us300

Have to hope things will return to form next year. Not sure anyone cares about a MVP in a 60 game season either, minus maybe if Trout wins to add to his legacy.

I do most of my selling on COMC (all baseball), which obviously isn't high end cards. Sales are still strong, and flipping for profits is still easy. I definitely respect your opinion, but I do not think the low end market is getting hammered as bad as you are stating. From what I can tell, plenty of players are rising in value, just not Tatis currently due to poor performance as of late, and looking like no more MVP for him. People definitely care about the MVP in a 60 game season as well.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by pewe

I guess the reason I’m struggling with this is interpreting what you mean by “certain stocks have set establish prices”.

Do you mean the market has established prices based on something like multiple of ‘21 revenue expectation (common in software), where the scale of the multiple is set by comparable software companies with similar “rule of 40” or similar gross/net margins, similar growth rate, etc.

So you can estimate appropriate valuation for a company based on your forward expectation of performance relative to current pricing comps?

If this is what you are saying, then, “yes” it is something I try to do in baseball cards, too. Figure out who I think is over or under valued based on my expectations and the comps of who else has similarities.

Of course it is not simple, as so many things come in:
— performance (on field, awards)
— player popularity (may not track performance)
— availability of cards (they may be included in few or all releases)
— trajectory towards HOF
— zeitgeist (marketability outside baseball)

Then there is the effect of individual product.
— flagship paper on ascendancy (for graders / flippers)
— heritage and flagship chrome waning
— sapphire went from dud to stud
— flagship paper parallels ignored outside gold and black, now they are revered
— complete set foilboard ignored until the hunt for Acuna made it exciting

The product popularity evolves, just like player popularity does


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Bless you for going this far in depth towards someone who can't form complete sentences

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Bless you go for going this far in depth towards someone who can't form complete sentences

LOL..."it's like ray-hee-ayn, on your wedding day..."

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by Danderlion

looking like no more MVP for him.

He's the leader in WAR and his closest contender is a one dimensional first baseman who many writers likely think isn't even the best player on his own team. He's still the favorite.

[HarryLime]

DIPS!