MMA Discussion Thread- Fight Night/UFC/PPV

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by CC_123

Shocked nobody is talking about how tough of a MF'er Kris Moutinho is!! Dude was eating shots and kept pushing forward. Shame that Herb didn't let him finish out the last 30 seconds. O'Malley was obviously incredible (huge O'Malley fan), but I am now a fan of Moutinho after last night! Hope UFC gives him another shot!

That’s because taking a beating is the only thing he’s good at. It’s actually kind of a bad look for O’Malley considering he’d been knocked out two times previously. He’ll definitely at least get another fight in the UFC though.

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by salthill

True. But the original point was someone calling McGregor “average”.
He’s spent now, and Khabib stole his soul, but you can’t say he was average.

Diaz stole his soul first. That loss to Diaz was the beginning of the end, in my opinion (3-4 since that loss, which included the UFC handing him a W against a clearly declining Cerrone). Hell, Diaz won the second fight (in my opinion) too but the UFC knew there was money to be made on a McGregor/Diaz 3 (which will probably never happen).

Sure, McGregor was a champion in two weight classes at the same time, but he NEVER defended his title once. To me, that means he was nothing more than a paper champion. The thing with McGregor is that he never evolved. He was elite for several years, but once Diaz beat him in fight one, the game plan was figured out for other fighters.

McGregor is confident (and cocky) which I believe is his downfall. It likely affects his training sessions. If he was truly focused on becoming champion again, I think it would be possible, but at this point McGregor only cares about money and nothing else. He talks big and pumps up his fights because he knows it will pad his bank account more, win or lose.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by BRob1

Dan is one of the 3 biggest juicers of the last 20 years, on par with Vitor Belfort and Alistair Overeem. As you mentioned the UFC let him take TRT for years and hid it from the public. TRT Hendo is really no difference than TRT Vitor. Dan’s career fell off a cliff as soon as he was forced off TRT.


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Show me your evidence. And please something more useful than “he was on TRT!!!”. And nobody was hiding his TRT use as it was completely legal and people found out about it when he was in Strikeforce. And I’m pretty sure he fell off a cliff because he was in his mid 40s still competing at the highest level…still never lost four in a row though even when his career “fell off a cliff”.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Show me your evidence. And please something more useful than “he was on TRT!!!”. And nobody was hiding his TRT use as it was completely legal and people found out about it when he was in Strikeforce. And I’m pretty sure he fell off a cliff because he was in his mid 40s still competing at the highest level…still never lost four in a row though even when his career “fell off a cliff”.

so basically you bought into that red white and blue american hero bs. if you can’t see the majority of the success he had from his mid 30’s on was chemically induced i’m not sure what to tell you.

It wasn’t public knowledge, there was a huge scandal when it was revealed there was a group of UFC fighters taking test unbeknownst to their competitors.

Barry Bonds never tested positive either so I guess that means he was clean?


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[salthill]

Originally Posted by CC_123

Diaz stole his soul first. That loss to Diaz was the beginning of the end, in my opinion (3-4 since that loss, which included the UFC handing him a W against a clearly declining Cerrone). Hell, Diaz won the second fight (in my opinion) too but the UFC knew there was money to be made on a McGregor/Diaz 3 (which will probably never happen).

Sure, McGregor was a champion in two weight classes at the same time, but he NEVER defended his title once. To me, that means he was nothing more than a paper champion. The thing with McGregor is that he never evolved. He was elite for several years, but once Diaz beat him in fight one, the game plan was figured out for other fighters.

McGregor is confident (and cocky) which I believe is his downfall. It likely affects his training sessions. If he was truly focused on becoming champion again, I think it would be possible, but at this point McGregor only cares about money and nothing else. He talks big and pumps up his fights because he knows it will pad his bank account more, win or lose.

Not arguing with that. Not defending his titles is a huge gap. I reckon he lost the hunger for it way back too and has only been going through the motions since.
But the bit in bold was the start of this. Moss reckoned he’s average. He wasn’t.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by BRob1

so basically you bought into that red white and blue american hero bs. if you can’t see the majority of the success he had from his mid 30’s on was chemically induced i’m not sure what to tell you.

It wasn’t public knowledge, there was a huge scandal when it was revealed there was a group of UFC fighters taking test unbeknownst to their competitors.

Barry Bonds never tested positive either so I guess that means he was clean?


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1. Bonds was linked to BALCO; Henderson was never linked to any kind of steroid use.

2. He wasn’t even in the UFC when it was revealed he was on TRT. He was in Strikeforce right around the time he fought Fedor. There wasn’t a “huge scandal” because it was completely legal and wasn’t banned. Literally anyone could be on it if you had a TUE.

You’re making yourself look foolish.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by salthill

Not arguing with that. Not defending his titles is a huge gap. I reckon he lost the hunger for it way back too and has only been going through the motions since.
But the bit in bold was the start of this. Moss reckoned he’s average. He wasn’t.

At the time he ran through Mendes, ran through Aldo then split a pair with Diaz who was a full weight class bigger he was top 2 P4P with John Jones. Then he left to box, which anyone on the UFC roster would have done if Dana allowed it because UFC has such an abysmal pay structure (argument for another day).

To some extent Diaz did lay a blueprint as connor just naturally doesn’t have great stamina. People figured out if you could drag him into the 2nd-3rd round, his power waned.

I would say the bigger factor though was as Marvin Hagler said, it’s tough to get out of bed to do roadwork when you’re sleeping in silk pajamas. most ufc fighters still aren’t rich even when they become champion, so they still have the hunger to stay on top. Connor made more for the Mayweather fighter than any other UFC fighter made in their entire career.

Best of all time, no, but there’s never been another one like him. he talked and he backed it up. you could tell coming into this fight the heat was manufactured. He had a good first half of round one and made a tactical mistake jumping guard for the guillotine, which he paid for. Ironically the first minute of the fight I was saying he needed to be careful throwing those heavy kicks as it could break his leg if he’s not careful, and damned if it didn’t happen.


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[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

He never tested positive and has never been linked to any kind of roid use. You just assume he was because he was on TRT which he quit using when it was banned. Judging from your location I assume you’re still salty over this:

Erm, you have no idea what athletes have in their blood unless something illegal is found. Fighters, especially back then had all sorts of #@#@#@#@ going through them.

When something gets added to the illegal list, you move on to something else. If a substance is found that isn't yet on a restricted list, nobody ever finds out.

I'll take the word of his peers who claim he was a roid head over some forum pleb. Cheers.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

1. Bonds was linked to BALCO; Henderson was never linked to any kind of steroid use.

2. He wasn’t even in the UFC when it was revealed he was on TRT. He was in Strikeforce right around the time he fought Fedor. There wasn’t a “huge scandal” because it was completely legal and wasn’t banned. Literally anyone could be on it if you had a TUE.

You’re making yourself look foolish.

you’re a clown. but keep on believing dan wasn’t on steroids if that’s the hill you want to die on.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndica...areer.amp.html


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[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by BRob1

you’re a clown. but keep on believing dan wasn’t on steroids if that’s the hill you want to die on.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndica...areer.amp.html


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Still no evidence.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

Erm, you have no idea what athletes have in their blood unless something illegal is found. Fighters, especially back then had all sorts of #@#@#@#@ going through them.

When something gets added to the illegal list, you move on to something else. If a substance is found that isn't yet on a restricted list, nobody ever finds out.

I'll take the word of his peers who claim he was a roid head over some forum pleb. Cheers.

Who are all these “peers” besides Michael Bisping who obviously has reason to hold a grudge. Sounds like you have some real inside info here.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Still no evidence.

Just coincidence he went 2-4 after TRT was banned and then retired.


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[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by BRob1

Just coincidence he went 2-4 after TRT was banned and then retired.


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Like I said earlier I’m sure that has nothing to do with being in your mid 40s while fighting at the absolute highest level against guys way younger than you. Father Time comes for everyone some later rather than sooner even guys like Dan Henderson, Bernard Hopkins, and George Foreman.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Like I said earlier I’m sure that has nothing to do with being in your mid 40s while fighting at the absolute highest level against guys way younger than you. Father Time comes for everyone even guys like Dan Henderson and George Foreman.

most people don’t make it past 33-34, wonder how dan went from “decision dan” in his 20’s and early 30’s to knocking people out at 38-40. sounds kinda like the barry bonds career arc…most athletes don’t get better at 35-38.


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[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by BRob1

most people don’t make it past 33-34, wonder how dan went from “decision dan” in his 20’s and early 30’s to knocking people out at 38-40. sounds kinda like the barry bonds career arc…most athletes don’t get better at 35-38.


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Lol the nickname “Decision Dan” was because several close decisions including ones against Heavyweights like Gilbert Yvel and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueria went his way not because he was incapable of finishing a fight (take a gander at his record if you don’t believe me.)

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Lol the nickname “Decision Dan” was because several close decisions including ones against Heavyweights like Gilbert Yvel and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueria went his way not because he was incapable of finishing a fight (take a gander at his record if you don’t believe me.)

they were real strict about on steroids over in japan weren’t they…

i assume you think wanderlei was juiced but good ol dan was clean as could be lol.


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[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by BRob1

they were real strict about on steroids over in japan weren’t they…

i assume you think wanderlei was juiced but good ol dan was clean as could be lol.


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Well Silva actually outright refused to be drug tested which resulted in a lifetime ban; something Henderson never did…so yes one would assume he was trying to hide something.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Well Silva actually refused to be drug tested ; something Henderson never did…so yes one would assume he was trying to hide something.

i’m gonna let you in on a little secret my friend… they were all juiced in pride… all of them. wandy, cro cop, fedor, coleman, rampage, arona… all of them. yes even your precious hendo lol.nobody was getting tested over there. it was not in sakikabara’s interest and the japanese fans didn’t attach the same stigma to pe’s that we do in the states.

when he came back to the states he did it “legally” through the TUE. That whole team quest juiced. randy, chael, leben and yes dan.


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[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by salthill

Not arguing with that. Not defending his titles is a huge gap. I reckon he lost the hunger for it way back too and has only been going through the motions since.
But the bit in bold was the start of this. Moss reckoned he’s average. He wasn’t.

McGregor WAS good at one point. For years now he has been average. He has made all his money since he has been average.

[YayNJ]

NEW alternate angle of Conor McGregor threatening to kill Dustin and Jolie Poirier “in their sleep” and makes gun sign to his head:

“In your sleep you’re getting it, in your sleep you’re dead, you and your Mrs, it ain’t over”

https://twitter.com/oocmma/status/1414434500545851393

[Crashingwaves]

Originally Posted by BRob1

i’m gonna let you in on a little secret my friend… they were all juiced in pride… all of them. wandy, cro cop, fedor, coleman, rampage, arona… all of them. yes even your precious hendo lol.nobody was getting tested over there. it was not in sakikabara’s interest and the japanese fans didn’t attach the same stigma to pe’s that we do in the states.

when he came back to the states he did it “legally” through the TUE. That whole team quest juiced. randy, chael, leben and yes dan.


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Conor is not a saint... he looked high on blow the whole lead up to this fight. Conor is a piece of trash human being and is this MMA generation's BJ Penn.

As for Dan, if steroids and TRT are his only knock against him... I okay with me... as you said, everyone was on roids. He was an Olympian and had his first UFC fight at 17... accomplished so much and had so many awesome fights.

The fickle casual fans who think Conor started MMA may still hold some sort of fandom later on.... But Dan's legacy to any MMA die hard destroys McG.

[tennelson55]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

Erm, you have no idea what athletes have in their blood unless something illegal is found. Fighters, especially back then had all sorts of #@#@#@#@ going through them.

When something gets added to the illegal list, you move on to something else. If a substance is found that isn't yet on a restricted list, nobody ever finds out.

I'll take the word of his peers who claim he was a roid head over some forum pleb. Cheers.

[Cards and 401K]

I Still remember When Dan knocked out Fedor with that quick uppercut...

[Mahomie]

They're all warriors.

And also this.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by BRob1

you’re a clown. but keep on believing dan wasn’t on steroids if that’s the hill you want to die on.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndica...areer.amp.html


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TRT isn’t steroids. Nevertheless I’m always amazed how offended people get over what professional athletes are taking to compete at elite levels. None of these guys are doing it with chicken, rice and broccoli