1992 MARVEL MASTERPIECES 30th Anniversary Book

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by BipolarBear

That's a separate book. I'm starting a Kickstarter and taking pledges to get it published, if you're interested. It should be ready by the end of next month.

Let’s hope yours gets done by end of next month or I’ll have to get one in the works about the delays of your book…about the delays of the FPG book

A true collectible book at the end of that chain.

[BipolarBear]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Let’s hope yours gets done by end of next month or I’ll have to get one in the works about the delays of your book…about the delays of the FPG book

A true collectible book at the end of that chain.

Look, the important thing is that you send me your money and just stop asking questions, okay? I've been in this business for 35 years minutes.

[PurplesaurusRex]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

I guess I'm the sole person on blowout forums thinking this but as someone who has done many kickstarters, this is pretty par for the course. Not saying you don't have a right to be mad or whatever, but if you read the kickstarter fineprint (and you really should) kickstarter probably isn't for a lot of people on this thread. I mean, the posts about delay narration here show that folks are devoting a lot of time to thinking about this. The assumption that this would make a great documentary is really puzzling. Artists & Publishers are notoriously bad at having their %&#$ together and they are taking up front money to make something. That's ... that's not very surprising to me that the date is going to slip and you're going to get a ton of excuses why.

It's not just about delays and disorganization. Maybe you're ok with investors being misled and lied to, but most backers find that unacceptable.

[glorbgorb]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

I guess I'm the sole person on blowout forums thinking this but as someone who has done many kickstarters, this is pretty par for the course. Not saying you don't have a right to be mad or whatever, but if you read the kickstarter fineprint (and you really should) kickstarter probably isn't for a lot of people on this thread. I mean, the posts about delay narration here show that folks are devoting a lot of time to thinking about this. The assumption that this would make a great documentary is really puzzling. Artists & Publishers are notoriously bad at having their %&#$ together and they are taking up front money to make something. That's ... that's not very surprising to me that the date is going to slip and you're going to get a ton of excuses why.

I checked my Kickstarter history. As of right now, I have backed 96 projects. Only one that hit its target was never realized. It happened to be my very first one back in 2013. That said, 90% of mine are comics or comic-related, be those individual issues, art books, and the like.

I am currently waiting on four projects that are overdue, ranging from April in one case to June and early July for the others. None have been as tardy as this Jusko one; and none, as far as I can tell, were started by a company who has been in the business as long as FPG.

[BobCollects]

All FPG had to do was tell the truth about the delays. Not even the full story, just enough to let backers know why the book was delayed. Instead, they did the opposite and in fact seemingly doubled down on not telling the truth.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

I guess I'm the sole person on blowout forums thinking this but as someone who has done many kickstarters, this is pretty par for the course. Not saying you don't have a right to be mad or whatever, but if you read the kickstarter fineprint (and you really should) kickstarter probably isn't for a lot of people on this thread. I mean, the posts about delay narration here show that folks are devoting a lot of time to thinking about this. The assumption that this would make a great documentary is really puzzling. Artists & Publishers are notoriously bad at having their %&#$ together and they are taking up front money to make something. That's ... that's not very surprising to me that the date is going to slip and you're going to get a ton of excuses why.

Kickstarters being late isn’t the issue, it’s the way it’s been handled by FPG, but you keep licking those boots.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by bub838

Kickstarters being late isn’t the issue, it’s the way it’s been handled by FPG, but you keep licking those boots.

For real. The wording of the July 2 update:

Hi everyone, we hope that you are having a good summer.

The books are on the last leg of the journey, arriving and starting to ship at the end of this month!

The next update will be the official "The shipping has begun" post, and it's right around the corner!!!

Well we got 2 more days in July. Let’s see what happens. If these don’t ship this was a straight up lie, like the several updates before this. Why again, are backers being lied to month after month…this is beyond a Kickstarter being late.

[bub838]

Happy August 1st!

[CardEnthusiast]

i give up on ever seeing this actually seeing this book in person.

[BobCollects]

I fear we're teetering on the edge of this turning into a true scam. At some point incompetence just can't explain the constant delays.

[DynaEtch]

Being 8/1, they should immediately be posting an update explaining why we were lied to in the last update. They should, like any decent company, start being level with to the backers, and actually give an honest update, explaining what is wrong with this project.

Instead….who wants to bet it’ll be “well they aren’t here yet, but don’t worry, shipping at end of August! Guaranteed!!”

Their own words was the next update will be “the books are in shipment”….lets see if that’s true if they even do update today. Will be very simple- that is either true or false.

A bit concerning there isnt even a flood of questions anymore wondering why backers are given false info and pushing for a real update. But then it also makes sense since backers are basically battered down into silence at this point and afraid to even post. What a great project. There was someone above defending FPG…you may soon be the very last person who is.

[HiltonL]

I'll repeat myself and say that the easiest thing FPG can do to defend itself is post a picture of cartons of books with some dated material indicating 'proof of existence'

Yet all evidence to date is that backers will receive more empty words. Pathetic

[bub838]

Just another month, guys.

[glorbgorb]

They've arrived, but on their way to the FPG warehouses.

So... they haven't arrived. Arrived doesn't mean on the way.

[Fenian95]

New update same song. Books have arrived and will be in our hands by Sepr. I'll believe it when I have this cryptid in my hands....

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by glorbgorb

They've arrived, but on their way to the FPG warehouses.

So... they haven't arrived. Arrived doesn't mean on the way.

Let's get right to the point. The books have arrived! They are en route to our warehouses, and you should be receiving your copies within 3-4 weeks.

Notice that they added the word "should". There's no firm timeline -- just another open-ended date.

I really want to know what's going on -- this is so bizarre.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by glorbgorb

They've arrived, but on their way to the FPG warehouses.

So... they haven't arrived. Arrived doesn't mean on the way.

My first thought too. That the update is self-contradictory.

I will say, they are really backing themselves into a corner with this language. I mean it can’t be late 2024 without the books since they literally said they arrived in early August. For that to make any sense at least. Imagine if it’s like November and no books….”err didnt the books arrive in August?”

I think BobCollects said it above…I will believe I have the book when it’s sitting on my doorstep. And only then. Also Hilton you called it, not being sold on that last update with the pic.

[HiltonL]

Originally Posted by BipolarBear

Look, the important thing is that you send me your money and just stop asking questions, okay? I've been in this business for 35 years minutes.

At this point, I think I'll receive BB's book chronicling the sordid tale before I receive the actual books with custom slipcover.

I mean, how could I not back a Kickstarter with a whole 35 minutes of business?

[fabiani12333]

Unfortunately, it's looking like we might never get this book. It's pretty much the end of the line with updates. Something happened to derail this project -- it might be a long time before we found out the truth.

[HiltonL]

The Clover Kickstarter for Alex Maleev/David Mack just sent out an update with a couple of pictures of cartons of books. See, it's not so hard to treat backers nicely...

[BobCollects]

Someone left a comment asking how much time it will take to have Joe Jusko sign the books. FPG replied "they are already signed and numbered."

How the heck are the books that aren't even in the FPG warehouse already signed and numbered? Did Joe sign stickers or pages that were shipped to China to be inserted into the books? Did they ship Joe to China to sign the books there?

Also, FPG posted a YouTube video of someone flipping through a book. FPG posted pictures of a bunch of books in the July update. If FPG has copies, why couldn't the rest of the books be shipped that fast?

Assuming we do actually get the books this month, none of these questions will matter and I will (hopefully) never give FPG another thought. Until then, I will continue to be astounded by how badly this Kickstarter has been run.

[HiltonL]

Originally Posted by BobCollects

Also, FPG posted a YouTube video of someone flipping through a book. FPG posted pictures of a bunch of books in the July update. If FPG has copies, why couldn't the rest of the books be shipped that fast?

In publishing, samples and one-offs get made all the time. Just because FPG has one copy to flip through, doesn't mean they have any others

As for the signing and numbering, I'm just as stumped as all of us

[bub838]

Not to defend them but it’s possible they produced/sent the books to be signed by Jusko ahead of time.

At this point I wonder if the books have actually been here for a while and there was some other reason they couldn’t distribute.

[finfangfan]

Maybe he signed a stack of blank pages that were bound in during the production process? Or name plates glued in?

[Fenian95]

IIRC the slip covers were made separately and Jusko signed the slip covers.