Are you nervously holding your Trouts? - Page 3

AutoCollector23 · 08-25-2019, 06:08 PM

Hard to be nervous since he's one of the best players ever.

IronMonkey415 · 08-25-2019, 06:39 PM

Yes, after seeing Luck drop out all of a sudden I'm now afraid for all my cards.

rats60 · 08-25-2019, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AutoCollector23

Hard to be nervous since he's one of the best players ever.

Until you realize that all your BGS 9.5s and PSA 10s are trimmed.

WHyFLy · 08-25-2019, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by IronMonkey415

Yes, after seeing Luck drop out all of a sudden I'm now afraid for all my cards.

Completely different scenario here lol. Trout has not had the same injury rapsheet as Luck and doesn't play a sport where the average career span is less than 2 years... If you collect Football, then yes you should be afraid about that, but Baseball/Basketball, not so much.

One of the many reasons why I do not touch Football as an investment is exactly with what happened with Luck. Impossible to invest into a sport in which the injury chances are extremely high and with recent years, players just dropping out cause they can't deal with the damaging issues football has.

IronMonkey415 · 08-25-2019, 06:47 PM

Yea that is true.

blueuncle · 08-25-2019, 06:49 PM

Lol, nervously holding Trout

pdxprospect · 08-25-2019, 07:03 PM

This. Yes, nervous.

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jasonm2121 · 08-25-2019, 07:11 PM

Will I hold cards of possibly the best player ever? Yep. Playoff success will not change anything IMO. Sure it could help a little but look at who one of the most collected, if not most collected players of the last generation, Griffey, still holds up, and he was not successful in the playoffs, and had a pretty weak career towards the end. Trout will contribute to be stable and rise as years pass.

chriscardz1986 · 08-25-2019, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jasonm2121

Will I hold cards of possibly the best player ever? Yep. Playoff success will not change anything IMO. Sure it could help a little but look at who one of the most collected, if not most collected players of the last generation, Griffey, still holds up, and he was not successful in the playoffs, and had a pretty weak career towards the end. Trout will contribute to be stable and rise as years pass.

This is also a very good point! Griffey is holding up well, and continues to gain each year! Even now the '89 Fleer

AnthonyCorona · 08-25-2019, 07:47 PM

Julio Rodriguez better

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whitesoxfan3579 · 08-25-2019, 08:40 PM

This!!

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Originally Posted by rats60

Until you realize that all your BGS 9.5s and PSA 10s are trimmed.

ThoseBackPages · 08-25-2019, 10:04 PM

all cards are trimmed

Bowman1951 · 08-25-2019, 10:46 PM

Nervous? Anything can happen to a player at any time.

If I was nervous about Trout I’d be nervous about anyone playing a game of sportsball around the globe for fear of the unknown. Why are we even collecting if that’s the case?

Recognize incredible talent when you see it, grab the bull by the horns or any other terrible cliche and just OWN IT! Buy them because they are GOOD. That’s why we collectively love (punny) Jordan, Tiger and Ruth. And Tiger out of those had a major setback both personally and physically. Players get injured, they arent sitting behind a desk all day like I am where I MIGHT twist an ankle trying to stand up. This -ish is hard on the body, playing baseball. Football even more so. UFC probably worse than that.

Collect because you love it along with the player and don’t spend too much money on one player you can’t afford to lose. Simple.

Gem10collection · 08-26-2019, 03:15 AM

In baseball, playoff success doesn't translate into card price appreciation. What increases the value of baseball cards is regular season stats and overall recognized greatness. In fact, with Trout, it's actually good if he doesn't play too much post season ball because that gives him more time to rest his body for the regular season and reduces the odds of injury.

AnthonyCorona · 08-26-2019, 05:46 AM

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In baseball, playoff success doesn't translate into card price appreciation. What increases the value of baseball cards is regular season stats and overall recognized greatness. In fact, with Trout, it's actually good if he doesn't play too much post season ball because that gives him more time to rest his body for the regular season and reduces the odds of injury.

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rats60 · 08-26-2019, 07:45 AM

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NO it is not. Everyone knows that Ruth sells for more than Cobb, Mantle more than Mays or Ted Williams, Jordan more than LeBron or Karl Malone, Brady more than Manning or Marino. Griffey might be holding up well, but why does Jeter, a borderline top 10 SS (12th JAWS, 10th WAR) and borderline top 100 player (87th in WAR and falling) bring Griffey prices?

Trout's cards are high because he is the best player in the game, but they would be much high if he was winning championships. In this era of 5/15 instead of 1/10 or 1/8 making the post season, constantly missing the playoffs and not dominating when he does is going to hurt his legacy. He is never going to be the greatest without rings.

Ultraman · 08-26-2019, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by rats60

NO it is not. Everyone knows that Ruth sells for more than Cobb, Mantle more than Mays or Ted Williams, Jordan more than LeBron or Karl Malone, Brady more than Manning or Marino. Griffey might be holding up well, but why does Jeter, a borderline top 10 SS (12th JAWS, 10th WAR) and borderline top 100 player (87th in WAR and falling) bring Griffey prices?

Trout's cards are high because he is the best player in the game, but they would be much high if he was winning championships. In this era of 5/15 instead of 1/10 or 1/8 making the post season, constantly missing the playoffs and not dominating when he does is going to hurt his legacy. He is never going to be the greatest without rings.

I completely agree with this. I’m going to be bummed if the potentially greatest baseball player never wins a ring. Just doesn’t seem right.

AnthonyCorona · 08-26-2019, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rats60

NO it is not. Everyone knows that Ruth sells for more than Cobb, Mantle more than Mays or Ted Williams, Jordan more than LeBron or Karl Malone, Brady more than Manning or Marino. Griffey might be holding up well, but why does Jeter, a borderline top 10 SS (12th JAWS, 10th WAR) and borderline top 100 player (87th in WAR and falling) bring Griffey prices?

Trout's cards are high because he is the best player in the game, but they would be much high if he was winning championships. In this era of 5/15 instead of 1/10 or 1/8 making the post season, constantly missing the playoffs and not dominating when he does is going to hurt his legacy. He is never going to be the greatest without rings.

Playoffs are definitely where legacies are really made. While a very good pitcher, Bumgarner is always going to be associated with his playoff domination, especially 2014. Kershaw blows him out of the water but associated with playoff losses, no matter how unfair that is to Kershaw, it’s just reality. Trout isn’t even associated with playoffs which definitely hurts baseball

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jmscoggin · 08-26-2019, 08:56 AM

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I completely agree with this. I’m going to be bummed if the potentially greatest baseball player never wins a ring. Just doesn’t seem right.

As an Angels homer, I'd be disappointed too but that's just not how baseball works. One player doesn't make that big of an impact, even otherwordly ones. Look at the mega seasons Bonds had, no rings. Ted Williams? Nope. Sandberg, Fisk, Killebrew, Gwynn, Yaz, McCovey, Banks, Cobb, Griffey Jr? All ringless.

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Playoffs are definitely where legacies are really made. While a very good pitcher, Bumgarner is always going to be associated with his playoff domination, especially 2014. Kershaw blows him out of the water but associated with playoff losses, no matter how unfair that is to Kershaw, it’s just reality. Trout isn’t even associated with playoffs which definitely hurts baseball.

No GM in the world would take Bumgarner over Kershaw. Is it cool that Bumgarner has a reputation as a playoff assassin? Absolutely but Kershaw is going to be immortalized in Cooperstown, Bumgarner isn't. That's where "legacies are made".

I agree that it would be good for baseball if Trout was playing in October and it would certainly vault his place in the game that much higher. Even so, he has nothing more to prove, he's been the best player in the game for years and it hasn't even been close. One player cannot carry a team in baseball, even one that is going to be in inner circle HOF'er.

Soxfanguy · 08-26-2019, 09:01 AM

How many rings did Ted Williams win?

Boo · 08-26-2019, 09:03 AM

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How many rings did Ted Williams win?

Check the post above

speedyjg13 · 08-26-2019, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jmscoggin

As an Angels homer, I'd be disappointed too but that's just not how baseball works. One player doesn't make that big of an impact, even otherwordly ones. Look at the mega seasons Bonds had, no rings. Ted Williams? Nope. Sandberg, Fisk, Killebrew, Gwynn, Yaz, McCovey, Banks, Cobb, Griffey Jr? All ringless.

No GM in the world would take Bumgarner over Kershaw. Is it cool that Bumgarner has a reputation as a playoff assassin? Absolutely but Kershaw is going to be immortalized in Cooperstown, Bumgarner isn't. That's where "legacies are made".

I agree that it would be good for baseball if Trout was playing in October and it would certainly vault his place in the game that much higher. Even so, he has nothing more to prove, he's been the best player in the game for years and it hasn't even been close. One player cannot carry a team in baseball, even one that is going to be in inner circle HOF'er.

Everyone keeps talking about "inner circle". How many HOF guys are in this elusive inner circle?

Scottish Punk · 08-26-2019, 09:09 AM

If I was holding a bunch of Trout cards, I would would be way more worried that the cards are trimmed than I would be Trout's baseball value would go down. Next year he will be Hall of Fame eligible in terms of career length. He plays a couple of years more with similar stats and even an Andruw Jones like fall and he is still making into Cooperstown.

mrdallas · 08-26-2019, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jmscoggin

As an Angels homer, I'd be disappointed too but that's just not how baseball works. One player doesn't make that big of an impact, even otherwordly ones. Look at the mega seasons Bonds had, no rings. Ted Williams? Nope. Sandberg, Fisk, Killebrew, Gwynn, Yaz, McCovey, Banks, Cobb, Griffey Jr? All ringless.

No GM in the world would take Bumgarner over Kershaw. Is it cool that Bumgarner has a reputation as a playoff assassin? Absolutely but Kershaw is going to be immortalized in Cooperstown, Bumgarner isn't. That's where "legacies are made".

I agree that it would be good for baseball if Trout was playing in October and it would certainly vault his place in the game that much higher. Even so, he has nothing more to prove, he's been the best player in the game for years and it hasn't even been close. One player cannot carry a team in baseball, even one that is going to be in inner circle HOF'er.

This is a silly comment. How can someone who has played ONLY 8 major league season have NOTHING more to prove? (Not saying 8 season ins't good just in terms of baseball longevity/HOF careers) If Trout were to have a career ending injury today how would his CAREER stats compare overall? Not season average but career totals?

Scottish Punk · 08-26-2019, 09:14 AM

I would say the only thing he has to prove is what kind of player he is during crunch time. I.E. pennant races and playoffs. The Angels have been a .500 team most of his career and not really in the hunt come September. Trout hasn't faced much pressure to carry at team through the finish line and in a playoff series. Bonds and Arod both took some hits (PED aside) to their legacies by struggling in the playoffs.

Regular season stuff, no nothing left. He is already cemented the best player of his generation.

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Bowman1951 Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Boston 'Burbs Posts: 4,717 djblitz Bowman1951	Nervous? Anything can happen to a player at any time. If I was nervous about Trout I’d be nervous about anyone playing a game of sportsball around the globe for fear of the unknown. Why are we even collecting if that’s the case? Recognize incredible talent when you see it, grab the bull by the horns or any other terrible cliche and just OWN IT! Buy them because they are GOOD. That’s why we collectively love (punny) Jordan, Tiger and Ruth. And Tiger out of those had a major setback both personally and physically. Players get injured, they arent sitting behind a desk all day like I am where I MIGHT twist an ankle trying to stand up. This -ish is hard on the body, playing baseball. Football even more so. UFC probably worse than that. Collect because you love it along with the player and don’t spend too much money on one player you can’t afford to lose. Simple. __________________ I am the head promoter of one of the most successful Saturday monthly card shows in New England. https://flippincardshow.com/

08-25-2019, 06:08 PM	#51
AutoCollector23 Banned Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: America Posts: 118 N/A	Hard to be nervous since he's one of the best players ever.

08-25-2019, 06:39 PM	#52
IronMonkey415 Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44,118 ironmonkeyfromsf	Yes, after seeing Luck drop out all of a sudden I'm now afraid for all my cards.

08-25-2019, 06:47 PM	#55
IronMonkey415 Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44,118 ironmonkeyfromsf	Yea that is true.

08-25-2019, 06:49 PM	#56
blueuncle Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 54	Lol, nervously holding Trout

08-25-2019, 07:11 PM	#58
jasonm2121 Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: GOAT City Posts: 12,007	Will I hold cards of possibly the best player ever? Yep. Playoff success will not change anything IMO. Sure it could help a little but look at who one of the most collected, if not most collected players of the last generation, Griffey, still holds up, and he was not successful in the playoffs, and had a pretty weak career towards the end. Trout will contribute to be stable and rise as years pass.

08-26-2019, 03:15 AM	#64
Gem10collection Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Posts: 789	In baseball, playoff success doesn't translate into card price appreciation. What increases the value of baseball cards is regular season stats and overall recognized greatness. In fact, with Trout, it's actually good if he doesn't play too much post season ball because that gives him more time to rest his body for the regular season and reduces the odds of injury.

08-26-2019, 09:01 AM	#70
Soxfanguy Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: White Sox Posts: 15,579 Soxfanguy	How many rings did Ted Williams win? __________________ ok

08-26-2019, 09:09 AM	#73
Scottish Punk Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 9,964 scottishpunk	If I was holding a bunch of Trout cards, I would would be way more worried that the cards are trimmed than I would be Trout's baseball value would go down. Next year he will be Hall of Fame eligible in terms of career length. He plays a couple of years more with similar stats and even an Andruw Jones like fall and he is still making into Cooperstown.

08-26-2019, 09:14 AM	#75
Scottish Punk Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 9,964 scottishpunk	I would say the only thing he has to prove is what kind of player he is during crunch time. I.E. pennant races and playoffs. The Angels have been a .500 team most of his career and not really in the hunt come September. Trout hasn't faced much pressure to carry at team through the finish line and in a playoff series. Bonds and Arod both took some hits (PED aside) to their legacies by struggling in the playoffs. Regular season stuff, no nothing left. He is already cemented the best player of his generation.