The Official Tyrese Haliburton thread

[gopowergoh]

Have this from his rookie season. Wish I updated to the true gold when I had the chance

[Dacubs2]

does this mean its time to sell my Haliburton that i got in my black box from the National redemption trade in or continue to hold?



I have that fear of selling too low...I still remember selling my NT rookie dual patch of Steph Curry for $500 after he was the season 3 pt champ for the first time. I thought that was going to be the high point of his career...smh

[Nomad]

There is only upside on Ty, unless he keeps passing to Hield. Because the Pacers have had exactly one nationally televised game in the past year.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by Dacubs2

does this mean its time to sell my Haliburton that i got in my black box from the National redemption trade in or continue to hold?



I have that fear of selling too low...I still remember selling my NT rookie dual patch of Steph Curry for $500 after he was the season 3 pt champ for the first time. I thought that was going to be the high point of his career...smh

IMO - that card will never be worth a ton. Black box cards just never hold value plus he is in a kings uniform. I don't see that card ever being desirable long term.

[Nomad]

It's a rookie. By definition a rookie is in whatever uniform the team you're on gives you to wear. Unless we move to a post-rookie paradigm, which a lot of invested capital would say no to.

[yiguiri2002]

It's crazy how deep that class can end up being. Antman, Haliburton, Melo, Maxey...all of them look like All-NBA talent. And that's without including guys like Bane, Quickley or Vassell who still have some hobby potential.

[thesportslab]

Originally Posted by Nomad

It's a rookie. By definition a rookie is in whatever uniform the team you're on gives you to wear. Unless we move to a post-rookie paradigm, which a lot of invested capital would say no to.

I totally understand this position; however, it significantly, negatively impacts by view on the card to me. I love Halliburton as a player. I have a few RCs. But the Kings jersey will forever limit my interest in mid-higher end RCs. It would be much different if he had played at least 7-8 years there. He’s my favorite from that class but I have moved more to Ant/Maxey. I would sell.

[Nomad]

Let me make the claim that Aaron Nesmith, Cole Anthony, and Jalen Smith, Isaac Okoro, Obi Toppin (and who knows, Wiseman?) are still in contention in second tier of the the class for eventual All Star status.

I guess though on the rookie front, crash could actually have a slight edge over Ty on the ultimate collectibility scale. Considering that he made a lot of fans in Boston during his time there, sponsored a local sports bar and grill as I recall.

[thekiddfan]

I had to reset my password to make this comment.

Nomad, saying Nemsmith has an edge over Halliburton in a collecting sense is utterly ridiculous.

All due respect to your PC but no way man...no way

[Nomad]

I dunno, the last few times Pacers have pulled off big victories (76ers, Bucks) were with Nesmith making vital contributions. I am talking, elite level defense and opportunistic late-game offensive steals, disruptions, and baskets when needed. Plus selfless passing.

I mean, Haliburton could always hire other talent around him I guess, but he doesn't have any defense himself. He is a good passer and coverage reader, but not better than a few others in the league. I would take Durant over Hali in crunch. He is arguably faster, but that doesn't always last.

We can say that of the players the Pacers brought in in offseason, Brown was a Nesmith request and Toppin a Haliburton ask. I know who I would rather have in a game, crunch time. Hali does have a spot up three point shot, yes. But let's not crown him or Maxey actually until they win something and even then, look hard at the entire team makeup and what the essential components to success are.

Haliburton IS a vibe. But he cannot let the coaching staff and the players keep sniping. He needs to exert his power as a leader more or let someone else emerge who is not only listened to but respected by all. Right now McConnell, Toppin, and Nwora are not extremely happy. Theis already said see ya. And now with Jalen Smith out, they suddenly desperately need a big man and can't buy a win.

Maybe A Edwards from the class we can already put as first-tier two way talent, but even then the Wolves season could go south and you could have a Luka stasis thing emerge.

[thekiddfan]

Lol. Good for u and i respect that

Aaron Nesmith cards values arent gonna jump just because if advance metrics or the points u stated above.

Just like ur kobe misprint (i PC kobe btw), i disagree totally but again i respect u saying it out no matter how bizarre it sounds and stand by your point.

Take care man

[Nomad]

Im really saying that not one of the 20-21 class has been part of a championship winning team yet, or proved himself in crunch time with a buzzer beater with playoffs on the line. But it will probably happen this year, maybe as early as the play-ins, given Vegas, and that might move the needle on some players, but probably not Haliburton, given the state of the team, despite 4-0 record, unless you get 100 percent ground-up buyin from all concerned, and that's not possible without Nesmith, Nembhard, McConnell, Math, and Shepard being utilized in the right way, as well as the starters. And limited minutes dictate... (raises hands in a gesture of who knows)

Now it's nice to see the Haliburton thread revived.

[thekiddfan]

Dude

" guess though on the rookie front, crash could actually have a slight edge over Ty on the ultimate collectibility scale"

This was what that prompt my reply.

You did make a claim that Nesmith cards will sell higher than Hali in the long run.

Cheers

[webb_jr]

Haven't had much time to keep up with hoops this season, but I did send a 22 card basketball order to PSA in September. Among the cards was my lone Hali auto and it finally popped yesterday, Yay! I see ESPN has him ranked #2 amongst fantasy players behind Joker - impressive!

Haliburton front by webb_jr, on Flickr

[MavsRChamps]

Haliburton is one of my favorite guys so nothing to do w/ him, but it's insane that Panini overprinted so much the past couple years that we're at the point a guy like him can be playing close to perfect, averaging 27 & 12, and his low end rookies (Over half of products) sell for no more than a buck or two STILL.

I mean I typed in "Haliburton optic rookie" on Ebay & there's 1500+ listings! Optic is not even super low end (compared to paper). Supply is just crazy.

Ran a little experiment actually on guys he's compared to, # of Ebay listings:
"Tyrese Haliburton 2020 Rookie" - 26,000+
"Luka Doncic 2018 Rookie" - 10,000+
"Stephen Curry 2009 Rookie" - 2,600+
"Chris Paul 2005 Rookie" - 2,000+

[thekiddfan]

There waa crazy demand during covid....unfortunately

[daeve]

from 2019-present you just have to be even more selective. The same saying as always "buy what you like" applies, and it's just doubly important in an era where companies went wild with printing.

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by thekiddfan

Dude

" guess though on the rookie front, crash could actually have a slight edge over Ty on the ultimate collectibility scale"

This was what that prompt my reply.

You did make a claim that Nesmith cards will sell higher than Hali in the long run.

Cheers

I am not saying that based on the merits of the players as they currently stand. But let's say Nesmith went on to a respectable career, a less weird, more anger managed cap of say Draymond Green/Dennis Rodman, and found a way to be integral to a championship winning team.

Meanwhile Hali held up the Indy tent his whole career, but did a Reggie Miller "Despite his tremendous individual success, Miller's career was defined by a lack of an NBA championship. He was a 5-time All-Star, a 3-time NBA Third Team, and was once the NBA Leader in 3-point shots made. And yet, he doesn't have a title to his name."

In that case, without too much mind-bending involved, and with the extra oomph of 10 Celtics collectors vs. every 1 Kings collector, his rookie cards could be worth considerably more. Especially considering that Boston has a habit of poaching back players they once had, once they get good in the league.

And it could equally be the case with Toppin (Knicks): though totally different type of player, he seems driven to want more limelight and I personally think that once he gets through the Rick Carlisle mill, though he might not like it, he will be a vastly improved defensive player. (And... he is not on a three year gift contract to Indy, could wind up on the Lakers in January).

Not even mentioning Mathurin and Nembhard, each of whom has his true believers.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by thesportslab

I totally understand this position; however, it significantly, negatively impacts by view on the card to me. I love Halliburton as a player. I have a few RCs. But the Kings jersey will forever limit my interest in mid-higher end RCs. It would be much different if he had played at least 7-8 years there. He’s my favorite from that class but I have moved more to Ant/Maxey. I would sell.

Totally agree with this position. It may be my OCD but it just annoys me when a player is wearing the wrong uniform.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Totally agree with this position. It may be my OCD but it just annoys me when a player is wearing the wrong uniform.

This used to be the norm until the influencers started pumping Rookies and repeated over and over that it didn't matter about their jersey, it's still their Rookie.

[volblorx8634]

Originally Posted by MavsRChamps

Haliburton is one of my favorite guys so nothing to do w/ him, but it's insane that Panini overprinted so much the past couple years that we're at the point a guy like him can be playing close to perfect, averaging 27 & 12, and his low end rookies (Over half of products) sell for no more than a buck or two STILL.

I mean I typed in "Haliburton optic rookie" on Ebay & there's 1500+ listings! Optic is not even super low end (compared to paper). Supply is just crazy.

Ran a little experiment actually on guys he's compared to, # of Ebay listings:
"Tyrese Haliburton 2020 Rookie" - 26,000+
"Luka Doncic 2018 Rookie" - 10,000+
"Stephen Curry 2009 Rookie" - 2,600+
"Chris Paul 2005 Rookie" - 2,000+

I understand this perspective, it's obviously how most collectors will feel. That said, I'll put out the argument that this is actually great for Haliburton collectors. That just means anyone can collect his cards no matter the budget. Wanna spend thousands on golds, RPAs, etc? You can. Wanna spend $1-2 per card and still have plenty of cards out there that you can choose from to build a huge and impressive Haliburton collection? You can do that too. Endless possibilities

[Nomad]

That is correct. It even makes investment sense to buy at those prices. Low end Haliburton is like affordable entry point currency. Could easily quadruple in value by season end and can't fall much further. High roller money will eventually follow what the low roller trend is, because that's where you will find the collectors with heart, who do good, stashing their money. It's an amazing ecosystem when it works, but this time we need to more clearly call out the over-hypers and profiteers (even if they are only an AI algorithm or shell company) before people of substantial wealth get caught holding bags (anyway long term Haliburton collectors will also win, because you can't find another 1/1 by definition at any price).

It really all depends on the Hali bomb fest Nesmith grudge match on the Gaingridge field parquet. I would line up any bets before that game cause if they best Boston all Pacers player values will be looking up. You could arguably make more selling a 25 cent McConnell for a dollar, plus shipping, than investing in Ty. There might even be a reverse play to be made in Nesmith: if Boston wins, green fans may look kindly on him for not trying his hardest and allowing a couple Jaylen Brown layups to pass through (nothing you can do about the Tatums, they will get thurs).

[Nomad]

"No Hali. When we lose by 60 points, it should lock Haliburton in as the league MVP."

"Yeah Miami in a runaway, not going to be pretty."

aged well.

Watch this game and stock up on yr McConnell, Nesmith, and Toppin.

[thekiddfan]

Why bother on McConnell and Toppin?

Its all in on Nesmith!

[Nomad]

It's not bad idea. I mean ask yourself if you wouldn't put the second half of this clip on repeat if you just want to smile.

There's also a matter of taste.. to me Haliburton's hamming it up wears thin. But I like his words when he speaks and vibe prevails. However, don't skip if you're not also willing to crawl.