Jarred Kelenic

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Followed by Witt, Jrod, and Tork ?!?!?!?!?!?!

JRod is doing fine...the other 2 may take awhile to get going but they'll be OK.

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I’m terms of total dollars, this is probably the biggest hobby fail of all time. Lucky for him, Jasson will supplant him soon enough.

in terms of total dollars? It might be Kobe or MJ with how hard their stuff plopped after the huge runup. Or Zion.

[brios8]

Originally Posted by anusinha

in terms of total dollars? It might be Kobe or MJ with how hard their stuff plopped after the huge runup. Or Zion.

Not ready to give up on Jasson yet. if he ends the year batting .285 plus
then prices will start to go up in the offseason

Anything under .250 and yeah I would say another 30% drop is in the books.

Otherwise I think he Is currently priced accordingly given the Yankee status.

[clocsta2323]

Jasson will be historic, also Witt is on a different level price wise than Julio and Torkelson. As above poster mentioned, Julio is doing fine.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by anusinha

in terms of total dollars? It might be Kobe or MJ with how hard their stuff plopped after the huge runup. Or Zion.

MJ and Kobe get balanced out by the appreciation of the ultra rare high-end. And the fact that the cost basis for the majority of their high-end is from pre-pandemic times. Despite the surge in 86F, there’s only been 70 sales ever above $100k. So the vast majority are still very much in the green. But it would be really cool if we could know the true value gained and lost. Kelenic is going straight to $0 if he doesn’t turn things around.

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Followed by Witt, Jrod, and Tork ?!?!?!?!?!?!

People don't want to talk about it but yikes.

And people saying JRod is fine...dude is slashing .250/.310/.336 right now. Not exactly amazing at all.

Witt is slashing .209/.237/.309

Torkelson is slashing .154/.280/.264

Witt and Tork have been horrendous to start, Julio is mediocre. But but but they are only rookies.

Juan Soto is 11 months older than the oldest of these, and that is Torkelson. I bring this up because these guys are all priced to be like Soto and none of them are close to that.

That said, prepare to see people lose their butts on Kelenic. I'm surprised he is still selling so well despite being so ass in the majors and being demoted, twice now right?

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by clocsta2323

Jasson will be historic, also Witt is on a different level price wise than Julio and Torkelson. As above poster mentioned, Julio is doing fine.

Jrod may be doing “fine” but does that justify his buy in prices of $1000-$2000 for investment purposes?

Cause, in my opinion, he would need to be more than fine to not drop down to 50% levels, which I would consider melt down.

Was the upwards potential really worth the risk?

[seanbros55]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

He turned down a guaranteed contract and then sued the team for service-time manipulation in February 2021 - so the M’s gave in and let him play. He wrote a check that his abilities couldn’t cash - gambled on his talent and lost.

There is no way that he could be upset about being sent down now. This is a quotation from his 2021 lawsuit “I feel that guys should be rewarded for their play, and have the best guys on the field…”

I don’t wish him bad fortune moving forward, but he deserve the crow on the dinner plate in front of him.

The Baseball Gods were not happy with this behavior…and have made their judgement. It’s up to him to get back in back in their good graces.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by seanbros55

The Baseball Gods were not happy with this behavior…and have made their judgement. It’s up to him to get back in back in their good graces.

there’s a small mob that has stated they are actively rooting for him to fail based on his comments about service time manipulation. this guy takes shots at him every chance he gets lol.


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[seanbros55]

Originally Posted by BRob1

there’s a small mob that has stated they are actively rooting for him to fail based on his comments about service time manipulation. this guy takes shots at him every chance he gets lol.


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I’m personally not rooting for him (or anyone) to fail.

Just saying the karma/kismet/whatever you call it is a real thing, and very strong with the Baseball Gods…

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by seanbros55

I’m personally not rooting for him (or anyone) to fail.

Just saying the karma/kismet/whatever you call it is a real thing, and very strong with the Baseball Gods…

i’m not talking about you lol. i’m talking about the guy you quoted. he’s been actively rooting for a 22 year old to fail in his chosen profession because he didn’t like one interview he gave. which is weird.


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[seanbros55]

Word.

Originally Posted by BRob1

i’m not talking about you lol. i’m talking about the guy you quoted. he’s been actively rooting for a 22 year old to fail in his chosen profession because he didn’t like one interview he gave. which is weird.


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[mwash1983]

I remember the pre draft comps at the time were Mark Kotsay type, Kelenic decided to bulk up too much and it killed most of his athleticism. Now he’s a shorter Jay Bruce type with less talent, had someone tell me two years ago the Mets traded him because internally they were getting Jake Bauer comps.

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by BRob1

i’m not talking about you lol. i’m talking about the guy you quoted. he’s been actively rooting for a 22 year old to fail in his chosen profession because he didn’t like one interview he gave. which is weird.


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I went back and re-read my posts pertaining to Kelenic. I have taken shots at him, but I neither did so based on one interview nor rooted for him to fail (actively or passively). I gave at least 3 reasons for my comments above and specifically stated that I hope he turns things around (two prior posts) and that don’t wish him ill (as quoted above).

There are several members who get off trashing players for various reasons, but I’m not one of them.

[maddux31]

I have a good deal wrapped up in Kelenic at this stage, comprised entirely of 1st chrome autos and 2021 Topps/Chrome #’d parallels, autos, and SPs. I was in very early on the 2018 Draft stuff and held a lot of graded, hedged appropriately, and so my cost basis is now solidly negative and everything I have left is pure upside. Still - this is not the outcome I was hoping for.

Definitely frustrating to watch. Not uncommon to see top prospects struggle a bit, but this is sort of next level struggles. Almost makes you wonder if the guy has eyesight issues or something. Think it’s also possible he’s a total headcase or perhaps just a terrible player. Hard to know.

This is also a pretty good reminder that a) there really is no such thing as a “can’t miss” prospect and b) the young rookie classes we’ve been seeing over the past few years that have experienced instant success are otherworldly - Acuna, Soto, Devers, Ohtani, Vlad Jr (though he did struggle for a bit), Tatis, Wander, etc… Ball definitely depressing offense this year, but what we’re seeing from the likes of Abrams, Witt, etc…is a lot more in line with traditional debuts from rookies.

For his own sake, hopefully the guy figures it out. Seems to love the game.

[clocsta2323]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Jrod may be doing “fine” but does that justify his buy in prices of $1000-$2000 for investment purposes?

Cause, in my opinion, he would need to be more than fine to not drop down to 50% levels, which I would consider melt down.

Was the upwards potential really worth the risk?

Hell no it doesn't. I wasn't really referring to his performance vs his card prices.

[jason122883]

Originally Posted by maddux31

I have a good deal wrapped up in Kelenic at this stage, comprised entirely of 1st chrome autos and 2021 Topps/Chrome #’d parallels, autos, and SPs. I was in very early on the 2018 Draft stuff and held a lot of graded, hedged appropriately, and so my cost basis is now solidly negative and everything I have left is pure upside. Still - this is not the outcome I was hoping for.

Definitely frustrating to watch. Not uncommon to see top prospects struggle a bit, but this is sort of next level struggles. Almost makes you wonder if the guy has eyesight issues or something. Think it’s also possible he’s a total headcase or perhaps just a terrible player. Hard to know.

This is also a pretty good reminder that a) there really is no such thing as a “can’t miss” prospect and b) the young rookie classes we’ve been seeing over the past few years that have experienced instant success are otherworldly - Acuna, Soto, Devers, Ohtani, Vlad Jr (though he did struggle for a bit), Tatis, Wander, etc… Ball definitely depressing offense this year, but what we’re seeing from the likes of Abrams, Witt, etc…is a lot more in line with traditional debuts from rookies.

For his own sake, hopefully the guy figures it out. Seems to love the game.

He needs to relax a bit. He's too intense, and takes everything too hard. Reminds me of a young Felix Hernandez, who would get frustrated by a missed strike call, and completely unravel that game. Kelenic needs to get his mind right. He has all the tools to be very good, but if he can't fix the mental part of the game, he will never get there.

JRod on the other hand is fine, minus what the numbers say. He started out extremely slow, and probably has gotten the worst strike zone of anyone in baseball. But has kept on moving forward, and is playing very well. Good defender, fast, and everything jumps off his bat. He's going to be really good

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by jason122883

He needs to relax a bit. He's too intense, and takes everything too hard. Reminds me of a young Felix Hernandez, who would get frustrated by a missed strike call, and completely unravel that game. Kelenic needs to get his mind right. He has all the tools to be very good, but if he can't fix the mental part of the game, he will never get there.

JRod on the other hand is fine, minus what the numbers say. He started out extremely slow, and probably has gotten the worst strike zone of anyone in baseball. But has kept on moving forward, and is playing very well. Good defender, fast, and everything jumps off his bat. He's going to be really good

Kelenic has all the tools to be very good. Except for the most important one. The ability to hit the ball.

[jason122883]

Originally Posted by jason122883

He needs to relax a bit. He's too intense, and takes everything too hard. Reminds me of a young Felix Hernandez, who would get frustrated by a missed strike call, and completely unravel that game. Kelenic needs to get his mind right. He has all the tools to be very good, but if he can't fix the mental part of the game, he will never get there.

JRod on the other hand is fine, minus what the numbers say. He started out extremely slow, and probably has gotten the worst strike zone of anyone in baseball. But has kept on moving forward, and is playing very well. Good defender, fast, and everything jumps off his bat. He's going to be really good

Good call on JRod, he's pretty legit

[speedyjg13]

Originally Posted by jason122883

Good call on JRod, he's pretty legit

Kelenic has been passed by JRod

[kyle1707]

Well he’s great in AAA

https://amp.thenewstribune.com/sport...261808882.html

[memyselfandi23]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

Well he’s great in AAA

https://amp.thenewstribune.com/sport...261808882.html

There are plenty of guys who didn't play well consistently initially in the bigs who eventually made it. Given how he's kills it in AAA, he's obviously got the ability, just taking longer than us card flippers would like.

Would be interesting to get the take from a hitting coach or someone who understands better why that has been the case for Kelenic. Like, what are the pitchers doing differently in the MLB vs AAA? Is he doing something different in his approach in the MLB vs AAA? More relaxed in AAA/trying too hard toimpress in MLB? Something about the stadium? I dunno.. just throwing stuff out there as ideas since i have no idea what i'm talking about.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by memyselfandi23

There are plenty of guys who didn't play well consistently initially in the bigs who eventually made it. Given how he's kills it in AAA, he's obviously got the ability, just taking longer than us card flippers would like.

Would be interesting to get the take from a hitting coach or someone who understands better why that has been the case for Kelenic. Like, what are the pitchers doing differently in the MLB vs AAA? Is he doing something different in his approach in the MLB vs AAA? More relaxed in AAA/trying too hard toimpress in MLB? Something about the stadium? I dunno.. just throwing stuff out there as ideas since i have no idea what i'm talking about.

Im going to go with...he cant hit elite pitching.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by jason122883

Kelenic needs to get his mind right. He has all the tools to be very good, but if he can't fix the mental part of the game, he will never get there.

In the article above, he said it himself.

“I know I can play in the big leagues,” Kelenic said. “It’s really just about getting my head space right, and I’ll be back.”

[mallowciraptor]

At what point does Kelenic get the dreaded Quad-A label?