Evan Mathis Trimming Anything and Everything to Sell via Probstein, PWCC, & COMC

[mchenrycards]

Originally Posted by pspa123

I've sold cards to people I came to know were card doctors and they were perfectly fair and above board. Again.... so what? I don't doubt your experience, it just has no bearing at all on the issue in my opinion.

my first post above I was responding to the following:

"Originally Posted by northridgegil View Post
evan mathis is a real scammer he will low ball you at shows he uses his celebrity status to gain trust. most of the cards he sells are trimmed and people like sean bassik are his minions stay far and clear from this hobby conartist"

Hence my original response and hopefully the answer to your "so what". I didnt think it was fair to lump someone into this mess where there were no previous accusations of wrong doing such as card trimming.....at least from what I have read here anyway.

[3124508 on COMC]

Evan did endorse Sean for President though.

[mchenrycards]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Evan did endorse Sean for President though.

LOL Thats all the proof I need!!

[3124508 on COMC]

2015 uncut sheet purchase.

[3124508 on COMC]

COMC has 144 cards from Evan Mathis (StorageUnitFinds) in it's first run of eBay auctions. Among them are gems like the card pictured below. Buyer beware.......

https://www.comc.com/Promotions/eBay...Auction/228154

[auburn35]

Looks like that was cut with scissors and not cleanly.

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

COMC has 144 cards from Evan Mathis (StorageUnitFinds) in it's first run of eBay auctions. Among them are gems like the card pictured below. Buyer beware.......

https://www.comc.com/Promotions/eBay...Auction/228154

[rngrdanny22]

Looks like the top of that Jordan cracked as it was being cut. Is it acetate?

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Looks like the top of that Jordan cracked as it was being cut. Is it acetate?

Correct.

[duron]

Simply lol @ trimming Slick Silvers. Holy cow.

Unless there's some surface issues, why would one even trim acetates?

Name a time you've seen jacked edges/corners on an acetate. Fantastic internet bonus points if you exclude the mj above.

[chugga15]

This really upsets me. A lot of us got into card collecting because we look up to the players on the field, the court, the ice, etc. as inspiration. Maybe those players took us away from a troubled childhood. Maybe those players brought us closer to a parent. Maybe it was solely for fun.

The fact that not only our peers, but also those very "idols" are turning around and pissing on this hobby, is messed up.

Greed is a sick beast. The scale will get weighed at some point. It might be now when all of us are breathing, or it could be later when our earthly ego is stripped. Seeing the scales weighed is something to pursue now, but remember, everyone pays for their deeds - good or bad - at the end of the day.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by chugga15

This really upsets me. A lot of us got into card collecting because we look up to the players on the field, the court, the ice, etc. as inspiration. Maybe those players took us away from a troubled childhood. Maybe those players brought us closer to a parent. Maybe it was solely for fun.

The fact that not only our peers, but also those very "idols" are turning around and pissing on this hobby, is messed up.

Greed is a sick beast. The scale will get weighed at some point. It might be now when all of us are breathing, or it could be later when our earthly ego is stripped. Seeing the scales weighed is something to pursue now, but remember, everyone pays for their deeds - good or bad - at the end of the day.

What you’re saying tells us that the hobby can’t police itself if cards are going to have any real monetary value. This is because one can’t really tell who the scam artists among us really are.

[Soxfanguy]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...th-evan-mathis

I agree with this headline

[Soxfanguy]

Also great work ethic. Refusing to go to practices. Eagles were so sick of him they released him with almost 12 million dollars left on his contract(which he didn’t think was enough)


https://abc7news.com/sports/eagles-r...t-spat/778827/

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by duron

Simply lol @ trimming Slick Silvers. Holy cow.

Unless there's some surface issues, why would one even trim acetates?

Name a time you've seen jacked edges/corners on an acetate. Fantastic internet bonus points if you exclude the mj above.

This was likely a test issue for some bigger acetate cards. Think thick-stock high-end basketball where the top layer is acetate, but the rest is cardboard.

[HarryLime]

Okay, that Jordan was probably cut from the $18 paper cutter. I'll give you that one.

Arthur

[duron]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

This was likely a test issue for some bigger acetate cards. Think thick-stock high-end basketball where the top layer is acetate, but the rest is cardboard.

Lenticular and warp-tek/jambalaya sets would meet this criteria. Are you referring to only these or am I missing something?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by duron

Lenticular and warp-tek/jambalaya sets would meet this criteria. Are you referring to only these or am I missing something?

I was thinking Immaculate jersey #'d RPAs. I know that's thick stock, but this would still give you an idea of how the acetate layer cuts.

[duron]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I was thinking Immaculate jersey #'d RPAs. I know that's thick stock, but this would still give you an idea of how the acetate layer cuts.

Roger that. Didn't have Immaculate in mind at all.

[JMANIA]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

That's scummy. Glad Ricky doesn't do that.

Do you mean Probstein? You are saying his listings are not overhyped? Same concept with High End, Undergraded, Centered (even if not), rookie (even if not). PWCC takes more time with overhyping the write-up as his auctions are scheduled but Probstein overhypes in the same way. Both use their industry clout to over describe items. I can only assume Probstein is where you consign your cards. At least PWCC will pull conterfeit crap when someone addresses it. How many times has Probstein sold crap like this which by the way is not even pre-1986 Fleer and backdated over a decade later?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-85-Sta...cAAOSwK9hd6All

[3124508 on COMC]

One trimmed edge highlighted. Can't tell which others have also been chopped.

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...mPg=17&page=10
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ies-1915076398
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1851568

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by JMANIA

Do you mean Probstein? You are saying his listings are not overhyped? Same concept with High End, Undergraded, Centered (even if not), rookie (even if not). PWCC takes more time with overhyping the write-up as his auctions are scheduled but Probstein overhypes in the same way. Both use their industry clout to over describe items. I can only assume Probstein is where you consign your cards. At least PWCC will pull conterfeit crap when someone addresses it. How many times has Probstein sold crap like this which by the way is not even pre-1986 Fleer and backdated over a decade later?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-85-Sta...cAAOSwK9hd6All

I gotta ask, is there anyone in this whole shite sandwich that you believe PWCC is worse than? You seem to keep finding creative ways of giving them a lot of credit.

Arthur

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

I gotta ask, is there anyone in this whole shite sandwich that you believe PWCC is worse than? You seem to keep finding creative ways of giving them a lot of credit.

Arthur

Rick is actively and knowingly selling $40k in trimmed cards without disclosure. Definitely doesn’t make him better than PWCC.

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Rick is actively and knowingly selling $40k in trimmed cards without disclosure. Definitely doesn’t make him better than PWCC.

Until someone shows me evidence that Rick personally operated a conspiracy to doctor cards, manipulate the market for card doctors, purchase cards that were then doctored, have cards doctored, and then subvert PSA's terms to get doctored cards into slabs, I'm going to say he's better than PWCC.

Don't get me wrong, I won't buy from Rick. I also would be extremely suspicious of any card that got sold by Rick and would probably stay away based on that. But to say that he and Brent are the same is not accurate.

Arthur

[JMANIA]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

I gotta ask, is there anyone in this whole shite sandwich that you believe PWCC is worse than? You seem to keep finding creative ways of giving them a lot of credit.

Arthur

Really? Where did I write that? I found your replies to cater to Lichtman even though no one was talking about Lichtman. You also seem to want to be in good favor with Mathis. I responded to a post that replied to PWCC and endorsed Probstein. Willing to bet that person consigns to Probstein. I showed you a listing of counterfeit cards in auction which if you ask him to take down he will not. Respond to facts. I give credit to someone if they do something right. If I say PWCC has taken down the same counterfeits when people address but Probstein does not, how do you extrapolate that I stated that the person has done nothing wrong? My point was that Probstein hypes his listings just as much as PWCC with undergraded, high end, etc. Did I say PWCC does not do that as well? They both do. PWCC just does it more in the description because he takes more time with his listings. They both call cards rookies that are not that violates the search engine function and increases final results. Please reference my postings where I said something endorsing PWCC that was not in fact correct. Saying PWCC did something wrong but so does Probstein in your logic means I gave credit to PWCC. Since my postings try to be fair and objective, if PWCC properly takes down counterfeits, I will note that.

[JMANIA]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

Until someone shows me evidence that Rick personally operated a conspiracy to doctor cards, manipulate the market for card doctors, purchase cards that were then doctored, have cards doctored, and then subvert PSA's terms to get doctored cards into slabs, I'm going to say he's better than PWCC.

Don't get me wrong, I won't buy from Rick. I also would be extremely suspicious of any card that got sold by Rick and would probably stay away based on that. But to say that he and Brent are the same is not accurate.

Arthur

Who said they are the same? Where did anyone rank one versus they other? Saying they are the same in overhyping listings does not mean one said they are the same. But, yes PWCC will take down counterfeit cards noted whereas Probstein has ignored emails. That is fact and others say the same. But now that you note it, if Probstein gets a consignment from an outed card doctor, is he rejecting it and sending it back? Did both build up their business by taking consignments by known card doctors (not known as in this forum, but was generally known in the industry prior to the forum)?