Who do you think will be NL MVP? - Page 4

jstasyk1121 · 08-31-2015, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by douglasfir

Harper's power eroded.

so did everybody else's though!

Summer of the SP!!

Goldy, Frazier, Arenado, Harper all really slowed down in the HR department....NL pitching is tough!!!

jmscoggin · 09-03-2015, 09:36 PM

Harper scored four runs on ZERO hits tonight. Maybe it is just me but I find that to be awesome.

Thommy · 09-03-2015, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jstasyk1121

so did everybody else's though!

Summer of the SP!!

Goldy, Frazier, Arenado, Harper all really slowed down in the HR department....NL pitching is tough!!!

CarGo's didn't

kyle1707 · 09-03-2015, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jmscoggin

Harper scored four runs on ZERO hits tonight. Maybe it is just me but I find that to be awesome.

Ya I don't know how he is not going to win it

He is top 5 in almost every thing

going to hit 35 hrs... score 100 runs bat .330

leads league in ops slg obp

And probably leading in war?

Thommy · 09-03-2015, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle1707

Ya I don't know how he is not going to win it

He is top 5 in almost every thing

going to hit 35 hrs... score 100 runs bat .330

leads league in ops slg obp

And probably leading in war?

His team. It's hard to win not on a winning team, if the Nats fall below .500 I think Greinke/Kersh wins, if not, give it to Harper.

Andrew Jones · 09-03-2015, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Thommy

His team. It's hard to win not on a winning team, if the Nats fall below .500 I think Greinke/Kersh wins, if not, give it to Harper.

A pitcher will not beat him out this season. When is the last time a pitcher beat out a hitter who put up big time numbers?

seabass97166 · 09-03-2015, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jmscoggin

Harper scored four runs on ZERO hits tonight. Maybe it is just me but I find that to be awesome.

That is awesome. Pitchers are so afraid of him (as they should be) it's hilarious.
When he came up with the bases loaded the pitcher wanted nothing to do with him and it was already 3-1 Nats. Gave him nothing to hit. I guess he didn't want to get the baseball version of posterized.

exitmusicblue · 09-03-2015, 10:46 PM

Harper too good not to win this season. With his numbers he could probably win it on a last place team, getting tragic hero props.

kyle1707 · 09-03-2015, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Jones

A pitcher will not beat him out this season. When is the last time a pitcher beat out a hitter who put up big time numbers?

Ya I agree with winning team thing.. But A pitcher is not going to take it from this

Just domination with 30 games left

1st avg
1st in runs
1st in ops
1st in obp
1st slg
1st in war?
2nd in HRS

Thommy · 09-03-2015, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Jones

A pitcher will not beat him out this season. When is the last time a pitcher beat out a hitter who put up big time numbers?

Idk, Greinke has been pretty remarkable.

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Originally Posted by kyle1707

Ya I agree with winning team thing.. But A pitcher is not going to take it from this

Just domination with 30 games left

1st avg
1st in runs
1st in ops
1st in obp
1st slg
1st in war?
2nd in HRS

He's 3 in HR

kyle1707 · 09-03-2015, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Thommy

Idk, Greinke has been pretty remarkable.

He's 3 in HR

You are correct

Those mile high Colorado HRs have him

exitmusicblue · 09-03-2015, 11:59 PM

The only way Harpah could improve -- if he picks up Vlad skillz and starts bombing on balls in the dirt and such, haha...

vwnut13 · 09-04-2015, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Jones

A pitcher will not beat him out this season. When is the last time a pitcher beat out a hitter who put up big time numbers?

The last time a pitcher won the MVP.

212 Hits, 119 Runs, 32 HR, 105 RBI, 39 SB | .321/.376/.552
155 Hits, 105 Runs, 43 HR, 103 RBI, 132 BBs | .302/.447/.608

Andrew Jones · 09-04-2015, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by vwnut13

The last time a pitcher won the MVP.

212 Hits, 119 Runs, 32 HR, 105 RBI, 39 SB | .321/.376/.552
155 Hits, 105 Runs, 43 HR, 103 RBI, 132 BBs | .302/.447/.608

That's a fair point. I think Harper's 2015 numbers are better overall than either Bautista's or Ellsbury's that season and I think Verlander's numbers were better than what Kershaw and Greinke have done this season so I still think no pitcher is beating out Harper this season.

Thommy · 09-04-2015, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by vwnut13

The last time a pitcher won the MVP.

212 Hits, 119 Runs, 32 HR, 105 RBI, 39 SB | .321/.376/.552
155 Hits, 105 Runs, 43 HR, 103 RBI, 132 BBs | .302/.447/.608

I believe you're forgetting that Kershaw won last season

Thommy · 09-04-2015, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Jones

That's a fair point. I think Harper's 2015 numbers are better overall than either Bautista's or Ellsbury's that season and I think Verlander's numbers were better than what Kershaw and Greinke have done this season so I still think no pitcher is beating out Harper this season.

Greinke's ERA is almost a full run lower, he's getting less than 1 K/9 less, and his win percentage is actually higher despite receiving far less run support.

Kershaw has a significantly lower ERA and more strikeouts with 6-7 starts left.

Both are on pace to have a lower WHIP, higher ERA+, lower FIP, and higher fWAR.

Please explain to me how Verlander's numbers were better.

dcmorgan96 · 09-04-2015, 02:21 AM

While Harper has been the best player this year, his power and team have dipped sharply, dropping him out of the spotlight, which will matter. If Greinke closes out the season with a few more 0-1 ER starts and the Giants don't catch up, I think he locks it up

vwnut13 · 09-04-2015, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Thommy

I believe you're forgetting that Kershaw won last season

NL doesn't count.

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Originally Posted by Thommy

Both are on pace to have a lower WHIP, higher ERA+, lower FIP, and higher fWAR.

Please explain to me how Verlander's numbers were better.

Funny thing is, in 2011 Sabathia had the same fWAR as Verlander.

Thommy · 09-04-2015, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by vwnut13

NL doesn't count.

Funny thing is, in 2011 Sabathia had the same fWAR as Verlander.

I don't get the NL doesn't count point

. Is it a joke, what's the joke?

CC had a great year that year, that's not evidence that Verlander was better when he got destroyed in just about every other category but wins vs Kersh and Ks versus Greinke

Doublexthebeast · 09-04-2015, 09:47 AM

I With the Nats so far out of the race then I don't really see why Harper deserves to win it. If you give the MVP to a guy in the NL on a losing team then Goldy makes a stronger case in my opinion. Rizzo and McCutchen make more sense to me because they are on winning teams. The numbers aren't quite as good but their teams have responded to their play and leadership down the stretch. That carries more weight to me than anything else. To bad I don't have a vote.

pat10021839 · 09-04-2015, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dcmorgan96

While Harper has been the best player this year, his power and team have dipped sharply, dropping him out of the spotlight, which will matter. If Greinke closes out the season with a few more 0-1 ER starts and the Giants don't catch up, I think he locks it up

I dont think that his power has dipped as much as almost every pitcher is afraid to throw him strikes.

Andrew Jones · 09-04-2015, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Thommy

Greinke's ERA is almost a full run lower, he's getting less than 1 K/9 less, and his win percentage is actually higher despite receiving far less run support.

Kershaw has a significantly lower ERA and more strikeouts with 6-7 starts left.

Both are on pace to have a lower WHIP, higher ERA+, lower FIP, and higher fWAR.

Please explain to me how Verlander's numbers were better.

I'm basing that off of their performance versus their peers.

Verlander in 2011 was #1 amongst AL pitchers in WAR, ERA, Wins, W/L%, WHIP, IP, Ks, and GS. He was 4th in GGs and 5th in Shutouts.

Greinke in 2015 is #1 amongst NL pitchers in WAR, ERA, W/L%, and WHIP. He is 3rd in Wins, 2nd in IP, 8th in Ks, 3rd in GS, 7th in CGs, and has no Shutouts.

Kershaw in 2015 is #1 amongst NL pitchers in IP, Ks, CGs, and Shutouts. He is 2nd in WAR, 3rd in ERA, 7th in Wins, 6th in W/L%, 2nd in WHIP, and 3rd in GS.

Verlander led the AL in 8/10 major categories for SPs and was top 5 in the other 2. IMO, that's a level of dominance within his league (it is a league MVP award after all) that neither of the two Dodgers can match this season. They are having great seasons, but not as great relative to their peers as Verlander did in 2011. Just my $.02.

seabass97166 · 09-04-2015, 10:23 AM

Pitchers are scared sh1tless of Bryce

Andrew Jones · 09-06-2015, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dcmorgan96

While Harper has been the best player this year, his power and team have dipped sharply, dropping him out of the spotlight, which will matter. If Greinke closes out the season with a few more 0-1 ER starts and the Giants don't catch up, I think he locks it up

Please tell us more about his power dipping . . .

jstasyk1121 · 09-06-2015, 03:25 PM

There is no shot grienke or kershaw wins...dodgers are not even a lock for playoffs themselves...they are winning their division...have possibly the best duo in 1 season ever for sp...and are still struggling...and those two if they did get votes would split them!!! Just like Cy young...they are going to split votes...if the Dodgers were on pace to win like 110 games...then maybe the SP would be in discussion...

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jmscoggin Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: TX Posts: 21,444 jmscoggin jmscoggin	Harper scored four runs on ZERO hits tonight. Maybe it is just me but I find that to be awesome. __________________ https://www.hofautographcollector.com/

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seabass97166 Banned Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,685	Pitchers are scared sh1tless of Bryce Last edited by seabass97166; 09-06-2015 at 03:39 PM.

09-03-2015, 10:46 PM	#83
exitmusicblue Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 14,027	Harper too good not to win this season. With his numbers he could probably win it on a last place team, getting tragic hero props.

09-03-2015, 11:59 PM	#87
exitmusicblue Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 14,027	The only way Harpah could improve -- if he picks up Vlad skillz and starts bombing on balls in the dirt and such, haha...

09-04-2015, 02:21 AM	#92
dcmorgan96 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 326	While Harper has been the best player this year, his power and team have dipped sharply, dropping him out of the spotlight, which will matter. If Greinke closes out the season with a few more 0-1 ER starts and the Giants don't catch up, I think he locks it up

09-04-2015, 09:47 AM	#95
Doublexthebeast Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 8,806	I With the Nats so far out of the race then I don't really see why Harper deserves to win it. If you give the MVP to a guy in the NL on a losing team then Goldy makes a stronger case in my opinion. Rizzo and McCutchen make more sense to me because they are on winning teams. The numbers aren't quite as good but their teams have responded to their play and leadership down the stretch. That carries more weight to me than anything else. To bad I don't have a vote.

09-06-2015, 03:25 PM	#100
jstasyk1121 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Michigan Posts: 5,399 jbstasyk1121	There is no shot grienke or kershaw wins...dodgers are not even a lock for playoffs themselves...they are winning their division...have possibly the best duo in 1 season ever for sp...and are still struggling...and those two if they did get votes would split them!!! Just like Cy young...they are going to split votes...if the Dodgers were on pace to win like 110 games...then maybe the SP would be in discussion...