Fernando Tatis Jr

[TaylorLH]

been a bit since ive added much tatis, finally got a deal i was happy with

2019 TC Prism PSA 9 @ 249.99

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by pskell02

Sold my PSA 10 Gold Chrome Update Auto today for $6020. I'm going to regret the hell out of that in about 3 months.

*I kinda hope the buyer doesn't pay. Even though I messaged with him and think he's really happy to own it.

Rookie Debut+Sticker Auto, gross. No-brainer sell. Swap that 6k into Sapphires or TC autos

[TaylorLH]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Rookie Debut+Sticker Auto, gross. No-brainer sell. Swap that 6k into Sapphires or TC autos

Agreed at 6200 you can get into a 2019 Topps Chrome Auto probably down into Blue. perhaps even Green/Gold in a BGS 9.5 or PSA 9

[cardsin47]

Now ( 5/24/21 ) how would you rank Soto/ Tatis / Acuna ? If the world ended today ( I hope it doesn’t - FYI )

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by pewe

Still shocking to me that the Rookie Debut autos will sell anywhere near this level

Good to lock in that $$


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The 2019 release year was a unique one for RDs. We saw a bunch of stuff with them that we hadn't seen before:

• released by themselves in a different series than the player's RC (they had always been released in the same series as the RC)

• popular color parallel (Walgreens Yellow) only available to big rookies' RDs and not their actual RC cards

• Autos occurring on RD cards instead of base cards, as they were in previous years (if you want a 2019 Topps Tatis base set (#1-#1,000) auto card, the only one is the RD)

• Image preference was discussed extensively.

All of these things, over time, made a lot of people arrive at the conclusion that "Eh, this is actually a nice looking card (vertical hitting image) and I'm so desperate for the other aspect that I can get over the fact that it has the "Rookie Debut" label." People wanted more and more Tatis (especially ultra-rare color parallel and autos) that RD stopped being a four-letter word.

I know that's certainly what happened to me. I was so interested in the Walgreens set that I didn't care that the card was a "Rookie Debut." Obviously, if there were Series 2 Walgreens then it would have been an entirely different story but there weren't, so I embraced US56.

Arthur

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

• Image preference was discussed extensively.

All of these things, over time, made a lot of people arrive at the conclusion that "Eh, this is actually a nice looking card (vertical hitting image) and I'm so desperate for the other aspect

The solution is the Bowman Chrome rookie. An even better vertical image than Update without the RD label and a lower print run. Not an easy 10 either. Lots of centering issues. The best Tatis rookie buy in my own opinion right now

[sickmantz]

Originally Posted by BBases31

The solution is the Bowman Chrome rookie. An even better vertical image than Update without the RD label and a lower print run. Not an easy 10 either. Lots of centering issues. The best Tatis rookie buy in my own opinion right now

You might be right that they're undervalued because people focus on flagship first. Too bad Bowman RCs are the redheaded stepchild of RCs. Limits the ceiling.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by sickmantz

You might be right that they're undervalued because people focus on flagship first. Too bad Bowman RCs are the redheaded stepchild of RCs. Limits the ceiling.

Kind of like the Rookie Debuts . It's a perfect storm for the card. A horizontal, very high print run(due to factory sets) main RC and a RD as the only option. I hope most disagree, I'm still buying these and I know the power of Blowout

[TaylorLH]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Kind of like the Rookie Debuts . It's a perfect storm for the card. A horizontal, very high print run(due to factory sets) main RC and a RD as the only option. I hope most disagree, I'm still buying these and I know the power of Blowout

I will say the horizontal defense photo does make it more complicated, but the answer IMO is pretty straight forward.

Topps Chrome Auto.

Vertical, Batting, on card auto, lower print runs.

[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by TaylorLH

I will say the horizontal defense photo does make it more complicated, but the answer IMO is pretty straight forward.

Topps Chrome Auto.

Vertical, Batting, on card auto, lower print runs.

I will never get the hate on horizontal and defense images. There can be some really classic images of defensive poses and I think 203 will be one of them.

Having every card vertical and batting gets repetitive. Hell, not even every iconic vintage rookie card is vertical. Roberto Clemente, for instance. Some people in the hobby are so persnickety.

Sorry, this isn't aimed at you in particular just following the line of discussion since it was brought up. My comment is more in general.

[clocsta2323]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

Now ( 5/24/21 ) how would you rank Soto/ Tatis / Acuna ? If the world ended today ( I hope it doesn’t - FYI )

I challenge you to go 5 posts without using - () " ". Commas and periods are fine.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

The 2019 release year was a unique one for RDs. We saw a bunch of stuff with them that we hadn't seen before:

• released by themselves in a different series than the player's RC (they had always been released in the same series as the RC)

Is this true? I've always thought the RD was only in Update... and is really just filler for that set, to re-include popular players that had their RC show up in any of Series 1, 2, or Update.

For instance, Bregman, who was in 2017 Series 1... and his RD was in 2017 Update.

Unpopular players don't get an RD... think Devers who didn't perform well in 2018, so after Series 1 he didn't get an RD in Update.

Originally Posted by HarryLime

• Autos occurring on RD cards instead of base cards, as they were in previous years (if you want a 2019 Topps Tatis base set (#1-#1,000) auto card, the only one is the RD)

I'm not sure I understand your point on this one... he had both Series 2 '84 autos, and Chrome / Sapphire Edition autos...

...all with the added benefit of being on card, as opposed to the sticker auto on his Update RD card.

Originally Posted by HarryLime

• Image preference was discussed extensively.

I understand this... but his Chrome auto is vertical (for those who care) and appears quite attractive in my opinion

THUS... from all the above, I'm surprised the RD gets love:
-- sticker auto
-- 2nd Chrome vertical batting auto (which is on card)
-- isn't a RC

[okumeister]

Swag on the front, and swag on the back.

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by pewe

Is this true? I've always thought the RD was only in Update... and is really just filler for that set, to re-include popular players that had their RC show up in any of Series 1, 2, or Update.

For instance, Bregman, who was in 2017 Series 1... and his RD was in 2017 Update.

Unpopular players don't get an RD... think Devers who didn't perform well in 2018, so after Series 1 he didn't get an RD in Update.

I didn't go back and do a forensic exam but I think, for the most part, you find RCs and RDs in the same series. Devers didn't get a RD but he did get an entirely second base card, which is kind of like a RD in that it's a second card of him from Flagship that is going to be glossed over by the masses but not entirely without value.

Originally Posted by pewe

I'm not sure I understand your point on this one... he had both Series 2 '84 autos, and Chrome / Sapphire Edition autos...

...all with the added benefit of being on card, as opposed to the sticker auto on his Update RD card.

I'm saying if you wanted a Flagship image auto, like Soto and Acuna have the year before, your only choice is the RD. There's no version of the S2 card that's autographed, even including Chrome. They didn't even offer an autoed version of US1/HMT21. Auto versions of a player's Flagship card are usually cornerstones.

Originally Posted by pewe

I understand this... but his Chrome auto is vertical (for those who care) and appears quite attractive in my opinion

THUS... from all the above, I'm surprised the RD gets love:
-- sticker auto
-- 2nd Chrome vertical batting auto (which is on card)
-- isn't a RC

One thing to keep in mind ( as this topic was brought up extensively in the 2019 Walgreens thread) is that when we're talking positively about a specific RD card we're talking about an isolated incident that had numerous outside influences converge, not to elevate the RD card into hobby lore, but to simply remove the lifetime stench that all RD cards carry on this lone incident.

No one is trying to start the "RDs are undervalued!" revolution. No one is trying to manipulate the RD market in order to cash in big and buy an island in the Caribbean.

With the Walgreens set, we were having serious discussions about the possibility that the print run could be in the 100-200 range. At that level of rarity, I couldn't care less if the card is a rookie debut. When Tatis autos were going through the roof, people were happy to be able to pick up refractors and x-fractors that were very limited for a discounted rate. All because it was a Rookie Debut.

I'm usually not a fan of horizontal cards but that's not going to stop me from buying one. After months of searching "2019 Tatis" on eBay a lot of people had image fatigue on that Topps Series 2. The mid-swing vertical was a refreshing change of pace when you were combining it with another dimension that made the card attractive.

We're coming off a cool period now. People forget what it was like at the height of Tatis fever. There was very little available outside of the PSA 10 203s and 401s (or whatever his series 2 card # is). People were buying everything they could get their hands on that was Tatis. You're damn right a TCU RD X-Fractor Auto was an in-demand card. Low serial-number and autoed? Sold.

A gold US56 PSA 10 sold for $1k. That wasn't RDs, that was the absolutely crazy Tatis market. We're all back to normal now so everyone can go back into the closet and claim they never bought a RD.

When things go absolutely insane, there just isn't enough supply to satiate demand. Ohtani's RDs are selling well because he's in his batting stance when he's depicted pitching in just about every other RC he has (and if you follow the thread, it's not his K/BB rate that's making people poop turkeys, it's the dingers).

So that's why the Tatis RD went bonkers (and only the Tatis RD, all other RDs still pretty much ate poops). Will it happen again if we get back to peak Tatis fever? I don't know. I just know that it's been almost two years and there are only 56 total graded Yellow US56s and 29 of those are PSA 9s, which have almost all been cracked out and sent to BGS.

Arthur

[kabrune2]

Got a few nice cards back from PSA recently, not too bad...



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[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by clocsta2323

I challenge you to go 5 posts without using - () " ". Commas and periods are fine.

“You’re on, Partner!” ( quote by ??? )

[TaylorLH]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

I will never get the hate on horizontal and defense images. There can be some really classic images of defensive poses and I think 203 will be one of them.

Having every card vertical and batting gets repetitive. Hell, not even every iconic vintage rookie card is vertical. Roberto Clemente, for instance. Some people in the hobby are so persnickety.

Sorry, this isn't aimed at you in particular just following the line of discussion since it was brought up. My comment is more in general.

I personally dont mind it at all. but unfortunately if the discussion is around values and what others like, theres plenty who dont like the horizontal card.

and for me the TC RC Auto checks the boxes. Vertical, On card Auto, good image, color parallels, and the print run is significantly lower than base

[HarryLime]

The centering on that purple is glorious. I pulled purples of every RC except Vlad and they were all off to the left. Yours is perfect.

Arthur

[jasonm2121]

Someone here hopefully got the PSA 10 Independence Day last week

[brios8]

Originally Posted by jasonm2121

Someone here hopefully got the PSA 10 Independence Day last week

guilty here

had to add it to my Fathers Day Blue /50 PSA 10

both POP 2

[jasonm2121]

Originally Posted by brios8

guilty here

had to add it to my Fathers Day Blue /50 PSA 10

both POP 2

Congrats! It was mine, I have the other

[brios8]

Originally Posted by jasonm2121

Congrats! It was mine, I have the other

thanks! if you decide to sell it plz lmk
or any other nice high end tatis

[jasonm2121]

Originally Posted by brios8

thanks! if you decide to sell it plz lmk
or any other nice high end tatis

Will do, did the Orange Retro PSA 10 and Finest Super, went low IMO. Good deals for the winners.

[kcballer9]

I’ve asked about the transcendent RC before and y’all have been helpful... if another one pops up on eBay, what do we think a fair price would be for it raw?

[The_Reverend]

When did PSA 10 Tatis 1st bowman top $1,200. Wow. I got 5 In Assembly. 13 total Tatis rc in assembly. Com on PSA! Hook a Reverend up. Lol