The OFFICIAL 2023 NBA Season Thread

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by tjforce

All this talk about the Nets and Lakers...


Warriors are 3-5 with some really bad losses mixed in. Haven't been watching... what's the issue? Klay washed? Dray washed? Kuminga a bust?

Their defense is horrible. Offense is fine but it’s not enough to win them games.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by tjforce

All this talk about the Nets and Lakers...


Warriors are 3-5 with some really bad losses mixed in. Haven't been watching... what's the issue? Klay washed? Dray washed? Kuminga a bust?

watched them a bit the first few games of the year and they looked fine... with his trip-dub tonight, Steph is now leading them in pts, reb, and ast. Looney and Wiseman both average around 10 per/36 but aren't playing minutes.

I think it is likely Dray and Klay not producing like normal and Kerr hasn't doled out their minutes to the young bucks yet.

edit - oof - yeah Klay's TS is at 46.3% right now... could be coaches want him to shoot himself into rhythm, much like how the Nuggets are letting Joker defer to let Murray+MPJ get shots up... there will be some weird early-season losses if that's the case. We'll see if it pays off for them.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by tjforce

All this talk about the Nets and Lakers...


Warriors are 3-5 with some really bad losses mixed in. Haven't been watching... what's the issue? Klay washed? Dray washed? Kuminga a bust?

Wake me in april, none of these games matter.

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[oldgoldy97]

Wolves will never win with KAT. Get rid of him.

[duron]

Originally Posted by Nomad

I actually think we need to care more about the media which magnifies things to such an extent that people now need to take sides publicly and get their prickles up. Which is of course a trigger to further friction and potential jumps off the cliff, such as war. We have known that Kyrie was loopy for years. Those tracts are not new.

I knew I liked you outside of the Fluxosphere.

Seriously though, great point here.

[indyguy]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Cheating on your spouse is vile. I bet even the cretins that frequent Blowout manage to get some strange under the radar every now and then... at least out of those rare few who managed to move on from the hand club. Cheated on his partner of 12 years whom he has a son with. Pretty gross IMO.

In our cargo shorts and jerseys? I don't see that happening!

[indyguy]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

But is that worth vilifying someone? Using it to hurt someones chances at employment? I’ve said things that are crude to my wife. Things that were fully accepted and reciprocated. I would protest if the media was vilifying me for it and I hope you would to. What he did was immorally wrong to me but not to millions of people out there. As far as I know he broke no laws.

Udoka's actions put himself in that situation. He hurt his chances of employment. Not the Celtics. Not the media. Not social outcry.

You can't compare what you do with your wife, at home, to what Udoka did, with someone else's wife(wives) against company policy. He doesn't have to break a "law" to break company policy.

If the Nets say we don't care about Boston's policy, then that's up to them. He still did what he did and was obviously guilty of it. I don't understand how you are arguing for him. If he was doing this with your wife, you'd want his head on spike. Stop white knighting for a guy that was in the wrong, got punished for it, and still got rewarded at the end of the day.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by JRX

Wake me in april, none of these games matter.

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I think that's true to an extent. Lakers at 1-5 and Nets at 2-6 are concerning if I'm those teams. Even when Kyrie and KD are pouring in buckets the Nets are struggling. The Lakers look like a legit bottom feeder team, not like a team that's just ironing out the kinks. At 38 or whatever I don't think Lebron has enough oomph left to carry that group to the playoffs.

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

I think that's true to an extent.

It's also not true. Losing 4 games early can make it very tough to Escape the playin or make the playoffs in a very competitive race. I think it matters more now than it did prior to the introduction of the playin.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by indyguy

Udoka's actions put himself in that situation. He hurt his chances of employment. Not the Celtics. Not the media. Not social outcry.

You can't compare what you do with your wife, at home, to what Udoka did, with someone else's wife(wives) against company policy. He doesn't have to break a "law" to break company policy.

If the Nets say we don't care about Boston's policy, then that's up to them. He still did what he did and was obviously guilty of it. I don't understand how you are arguing for him. If he was doing this with your wife, you'd want his head on spike. Stop white knighting for a guy that was in the wrong, got punished for it, and still got rewarded at the end of the day.

It’s not about udoka. It’s about you and me and everyone else. It should not be socially acceptable to tarnish peoples lives and future when it’s unwarranted. Despite my moral beliefs, adultery doesn’t rise to that threshold for me.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by smalltown

It's also not true. Losing 4 games early can make it very tough to Escape the playin or make the playoffs in a very competitive race. I think it matters more now than it did prior to the introduction of the playin.

No title winning team (going back to 1986) has ever started a season 1-5 or 2-6.

I think it's safe to say, that's not going to change.

Regular season absolutely matters.

[indyguy]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

It’s not about udoka. It’s about you and me and everyone else. It should not be socially acceptable to tarnish peoples lives and future when it’s unwarranted. Despite my moral beliefs, adultery doesn’t rise to that threshold for me.

Yes, when unwarranted.

HE broke a company's policy. A company that is in the sports entertainment spotlight. HE forced them to make a decision on how to handle his actions. HE tarnished his image. Media is just reporting what was done.

If this is Foot Locker, we don't hear about it.

And if you were to cheat on your spouse, just wait until she posts about it on Facebook/IG/Reddit/TikTok...whatever else people use

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

It’s not about udoka. It’s about you and me and everyone else. It should not be socially acceptable to tarnish peoples lives and future when it’s unwarranted. Despite my moral beliefs, adultery doesn’t rise to that threshold for me.

No surprise here that you think you get to be the sole determinant of what is socially acceptable.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by tjforce

All this talk about the Nets and Lakers...


Warriors are 3-5 with some really bad losses mixed in. Haven't been watching... what's the issue? Klay washed? Dray washed? Kuminga a bust?

Draymond looks really good. Klay looks washed (he was fine tonight), their bench is abysmal. They pull the starters out and the bench gives up the lead. Wiseman and Poole on the floor together is a disaster.

I mentioned it earlier but I don't know what their move is besides hoping the young kids improve defensively. (in Poole/Wiseman's case I'm not sure it's very realistic).

[rats60]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Why would the Celtics let Udoka go to the Nets? This is bizarre. I figured he'd sit his suspension and be back the next year - like Sean Payton.

Maybe they can trade him for Durant.

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by indyguy

HE broke a company's policy. A company that is in the sports entertainment spotlight. HE forced them to make a decision on how to handle his actions. HE tarnished his image. Media is just reporting what was done.

This. When an individual does something they are accountable for their actions. It's really that simple.

[JustinVerlander07]

pingbling is like a quieter rusty. Just contrarian to be contrarian.

[sportzluvr1]

Somebody give Meyers Leonard his job back.

And a raise.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by smalltown

This. When an individual does something they are accountable for their actions. It's really that simple.

Fully agree. If you think I’m saying people shouldn’t be held accountable then I did a poor job of relaying my thoughts. Be held accountable for what they did. Not what an outside source leads you to speculate they did.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by daeve

watched them a bit the first few games of the year and they looked fine... with his trip-dub tonight, Steph is now leading them in pts, reb, and ast. Looney and Wiseman both average around 10 per/36 but aren't playing minutes.

I think it is likely Dray and Klay not producing like normal and Kerr hasn't doled out their minutes to the young bucks yet.

edit - oof - yeah Klay's TS is at 46.3% right now... could be coaches want him to shoot himself into rhythm, much like how the Nuggets are letting Joker defer to let Murray+MPJ get shots up... there will be some weird early-season losses if that's the case. We'll see if it pays off for them.

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Their defense is horrible. Offense is fine but it’s not enough to win them games.

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Draymond looks really good. Klay looks washed (he was fine tonight), their bench is abysmal. They pull the starters out and the bench gives up the lead. Wiseman and Poole on the floor together is a disaster.

I mentioned it earlier but I don't know what their move is besides hoping the young kids improve defensively. (in Poole/Wiseman's case I'm not sure it's very realistic).

Appreciate the response, guys.

I do expect they will improve (much moreso than the Lakers and Nets), but on the other hand, Klay and Draymond have to fall off at some point. I think it's safe to say that Klay is off his peak, but even last year he was a darn good player.

It'll be an interesting storyline as it's maybe the only 'old guard' rosters that seems to have a realistic shot this year.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by smalltown

It's also not true. Losing 4 games early can make it very tough to Escape the playin or make the playoffs in a very competitive race. I think it matters more now than it did prior to the introduction of the playin.

For sure... I was trying to make the point that if you're the Nets or Lakers, you're already in dire shape. Teams like the Warriors, Sixers, and Nuggets have concerns, but they also appear to be ironing out the kinks more than simply being mediocre teams. The Lakers and Nets aren't even mediocre at this point.

[daeve]

it's early but here's the top 10 in Raptor WAR thus far:
Jokic
Curry
Doncic
Mitchell
Harden
Giannis
Butler
SGA
B Lopez
McCollum

[rifleman69]

Originally Posted by sportzluvr1

Somebody give Meyers Leonard his job back.

And a raise.

He's still trying to kill on Call of Duty.

[indyguy]

Originally Posted by daeve

it's early but here's the top 10 in Raptor WAR thus far:
Jokic
Curry
Doncic
Mitchell
Harden
Giannis
Butler
SGA
B Lopez
McCollum

B Lopez aka BROPEZ?

It's early, but that's funny. Would have guessed Siakam in that list.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by indyguy

B Lopez aka BROPEZ?

It's early, but that's funny. Would have guessed Siakam in that list.

Lopez has been a statistical monster so far this season.