Bobby Witt Jr. is he legit?

[kcroyalsfan8515]

Originally Posted by doowopbruce

Zero.

Dayton doesn't play the service time game... Being reported players on the team think they would be better with him on it.... Id rather not unless they sign him to an 8 year deal.... Otherwise bring him up in May of 22......either way kid looks legit. Great baseball instincts.

[astro7]

Originally Posted by kabrune2

What is the pos’ eBay ID? That’s someone I’d rather not deal with, ever.

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[rwperu34]

Dear Witt Fans,

Bobby Witt Jr. is going to start the year in A-ball. If he's good he'll get promoted to AA with a chance to make the roster next spring (in a best case scenario).

ETA: This has nothing to do with service time or how good of a prospect he is. It's just that he has :CHECKS NOTES: 0 PA above rookie ball.

[PLAYED4NOTHING]

Originally Posted by Cards and 401K

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Not sure why I like these more then the regular Bowman paper but I do. Nice submission you had there! I just don’t see these fading away being they obviously came out first but does anyone know the print run of these 1st Edition next to the regular Bowman proper ?

[Skeely]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

Umm... past Royals prospects that didn't pan out? You mean besides Alex Gordon, Eric Hosmer, Mike Moustakas, Salvador Perez, Yordano Ventura, Danny Duffy, Greg Holland, Kelvin Herrara, Zack Greinke, Wil Myers, etc. I mean all we did was go to back to back World Series and field a team that at one point had 5 of our first round draft picks on the field simultaneously.

I get your point. On the same note how many of those guys you listeds bowman chrome autos sell for what witt does right now? Im talking more a bust from a card standpoint then playing stats. The royals have had some busts out of players that were hyped up a lot. Im not saying witt will be one of those cause hes clearly got the physical tools but its important to take the players system thats developing him into account. I hope the best for him but well see.

Side note: Love the gif. the office holds a special place in my heart so its always nice to see an office gif

[Skeely]

Originally Posted by fungi2510

Hosmer and Moustakas were terrible too. Always guys who cannot spell that have the loudest voice.

Sure. Hosmer and moustakas were both studs but i can also get a bowman chrome auto of them right now for less than 25 percent of what i can get a witt for. I tend to look at things on thisa forum from more of a card releted standpoint and by card standpoints if witt turns into hosmer or moustakas then he would be a bust, Not as a player i guess but from a card standpoint yes. Also we are on a sports card forum so who cares if i spelled a couple words wrong lol.

[Skeely]

Originally Posted by ALBASKETBALL

Indians went 20 straight years with a 1st round bust. The drafted Lindor and the fanbase felt the same about him. He turned out pretty pretty good.

I would look at Witt's potential independently of past Royals bust. Especially Bubba. Bubba had a high bust potential and showed nothing during his minor league career.

Witt has already shown tremendous upside. If you are on the fence - maybe wait a couple months and see how he fairs a of gainst minor league pitchers.

Lindors last bowman chrome base auto sale was for 380 and witts was for over 750. So if we presume that witt turns out to be lindor then people would be taking over a 40 percent loss on there current witt cards on most occasions. From a card perspective that would be a bust. From a playing perspective maybe not but i tend to view things on this forum in the lense of cards. I hope witt turns out to be everything people think he is and its certianly possible but it is important to take note of a teams farm system when evaluating a prospect.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by Skeely

Lindors last bowman chrome base auto sale was for 380 and witts was for over 750. So if we presume that witt turns out to be lindor then people would be taking over a 40 percent loss on there current witt cards on most occasions. From a card perspective that would be a bust. From a playing perspective maybe not but i tend to view things on this forum in the lense of cards. I hope witt turns out to be everything people think he is and its certianly possible but it is important to take note of a teams farm system when evaluating a prospect.

1) That is ridiculous. There is a big age premium, but Lindor is on a no doubt HOF track.

2) I think Lindor is quite a bit undervalued. He probably needs to figure out where he's going to play for the next 10-12 years, but when he does I think it will be like Mookie. Lots of money will flow to his cards and they will go up a lot.

3) A Question: Is Witt's base SP'd?

4) I think another factor is newness. You are a lot more likely to get a gem out of a raw card from 2020 than you are 2011. I would always try and compare graded when possible, especially on a wide difference in age like that.

5) When I did my price index in February, Lindor was $530, Witt $350. Taking one sale is a bad idea. Sometimes cards go high, sometimes they go low. You need at least the last three to five to average things out.

6) I think Witt's high price has a lot (everything) to do with his hot spring. I've seen this with Heliot Ramos and Joey Gallo for guys I've got a lot of. Hit a few HR in Spring Training of guys that will be bagging groceries in four weeks and prices go bonkers. When Witt has a bigger sample size in A+ ball, his cards will come back to earth.

Lastly, I'll report back when I re-do my Price Index around opening day.

[Skeely]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

1) That is ridiculous. There is a big age premium, but Lindor is on a no doubt HOF track.

2) I think Lindor is quite a bit undervalued. He probably needs to figure out where he's going to play for the next 10-12 years, but when he does I think it will be like Mookie. Lots of money will flow to his cards and they will go up a lot.

3) A Question: Is Witt's base SP'd?

4) I think another factor is newness. You are a lot more likely to get a gem out of a raw card from 2020 than you are 2011. I would always try and compare graded when possible, especially on a wide difference in age like that.

5) When I did my price index in February, Lindor was $530, Witt $350. Taking one sale is a bad idea. Sometimes cards go high, sometimes they go low. You need at least the last three to five to average things out.

6) I think Witt's high price has a lot (everything) to do with his hot spring. I've seen this with Heliot Ramos and Joey Gallo for guys I've got a lot of. Hit a few HR in Spring Training of guys that will be bagging groceries in four weeks and prices go bonkers. When Witt has a bigger sample size in A+ ball, his cards will come back to earth.

Lastly, I'll report back when I re-do my Price Index around opening day.

1). Sure. But if you paid Witt prices for a lindor base auto you would have overpaid at current market value.

2.) Yes Lindor is undervalued and thats the reason i have picked up some of his cards but still doesnt change his current pricing.

3). Not that im aware of.

4). I agree grading might be a better example however i dont consider it generally cause i dont trust psa at the moment. That being said they both seem to sell for very similar amounts in a psa 10 with the average over the last 3-5 sales being almost exactly the same. I would say if witts stayed at the same level they are now he would be a bust for anybody currently purchasing him.

5). You should redo your price index when it comes to these players as 530 and 350 are not accurate at the moment.

6). Im sure his prices will come back to earth but im basing my statments based on current pricing.

7). I will add that my original response was by no means a dig at lindor as i think his cards are worth 3-5 times what they are now in 5 years and have some stashed away myself. It was just a statement on the fact that witt jr could end up being a decent player and still be a bust from a card standpoint. People pointed out that the royals have developed prospects such as hosmer and moustakas that have been crucial to there teama nd good players but would be considered a bust from a card point of view.

8. Even if we conced the point that lindors cards are the same price as witt right now that means if your purchasing his cards now he needs to be as good as lindor or close to as good as lindor (accounting for the possibility of all cards increasing based just on the state of the market itself) for his prices to be equal to where they are now. Lindor is a top level talent and i think expecting that from witt at this point is a reach or a gamble at best. I very well may change my mind in two months if he tears up minor league pitching though.

[Cards and 401K]

I Read an article regarding print run for 2020 Bowman 1st Edition and someone figured 12,500 to 13K base per player, This was the first time Topps released this edition
in several years(2005?), the foil parallel's in this product are off the charts nice looking.

[Skeely]

Originally Posted by Cards and 401K

I Read an article regarding print run for 2020 Bowman 1st Edition and someone figured 12,500 to 13K base per player, This was the first time Topps released this edition
in several years(2005?), the foil parallel's in this product are off the charts nice looking.

How reliable is this number? Done by someone with the actual math or just a number thrown out there? I aks because if this is the correct number than it makes these very inticing compared to a base chrome. They should maybe hold a much bigger price then they do now. I always figured even with it being first edition that the price was much higher than that.

[fungi2510]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

Dear Witt Fans,

Bobby Witt Jr. is going to start the year in A-ball. If he's good he'll get promoted to AA with a chance to make the roster next spring (in a best case scenario).

ETA: This has nothing to do with service time or how good of a prospect he is. It's just that he has :CHECKS NOTES: 0 PA above rookie ball.

Dear ignorant hater-

You are wrong. The hot spring ensures that he will start in AA.

[Skeely]

Originally Posted by fungi2510

Dear ignorant hater-

You are wrong. The hot spring ensures that he will start in AA.

although i agree with you and think he willl start at AA, if i was holding witt cards and/or a royals fan than i would much prefer he starts at A. Why not let him develop in stages. Maybe he tears up A ball and hes at AA within two weeks but why not start him there. Its probably better for his development and wether he starts at AA or takes some at bats at A ball it wont change his eta signicantly if at all. The diffrence between a month at A ball and then AA compared to straight to AA will have little effect and its not like anybodys saying to leave him there for a while. If hes as good as hes believed to be then A ball would still just be a stop along the way not some pergatory that hes stuck in.

[kabrune2]

Originally Posted by Skeely

although i agree with you and think he willl start at AA, if i was holding witt cards and/or a royals fan than i would much prefer he starts at A. Why not let him develop in stages. Maybe he tears up A ball and hes at AA within two weeks but why not start him there. Its probably better for his development and wether he starts at AA or takes some at bats at A ball it wont change his eta signicantly if at all. The diffrence between a month at A ball and then AA compared to straight to AA will have little effect and its not like anybodys saying to leave him there for a while. If hes as good as hes believed to be then A ball would still just be a stop along the way not some pergatory that hes stuck in.

Why? He spent all of 2020 at the instructional KC facility with all the other minor leaguers. I’d say he got a good dose of what low-A, A, high-A, and even AA could throw at him plus a ton of one-on-one with instructors from all the different KC minor league affiliates. Saying he should get more development in A ball seems ridiculous when he’s obviously ready for AA (honestly looks like he’s ready for MLB)

[JRX]

Originally Posted by kabrune2

Why? He spent all of 2020 at the instructional KC facility with all the other minor leaguers. I’d say he got a good dose of what low-A, A, high-A, and even AA could throw at him plus a ton of one-on-one with instructors from all the different KC minor league affiliates. Saying he should get more development in A ball seems ridiculous when he’s obviously ready for AA (honestly looks like he’s ready for MLB)

I mean he's got 27 spring training at bats, he should just go straight to the hof.

[kabrune2]

Originally Posted by JRX

I mean he's got 27 spring training at bats, he should just go straight to the hof.

Wow, what an informed comment. Just ignore all the development he’s gotten over the last year, sending Witt to A-ball is a slap in the face, unless Witt didn’t show any progress last year or was lost in simulated AB’s, there’s no reason to start him lower than AA. Everyone saying he should start in the low minors just assumed all the minor leaguers sat on their a$$es all last year and didn’t have any instruction, development, or progress. While in fact the top 40+ prospects of each MLB team worked out in expanded spring training facility all season and it was closed to the public, just because you couldn’t watch them play doesn’t mean they weren’t developing and moving their skills forward.

Now go back under your bridge.

[JRX]

My point is that spring training stats are pointless and half the people pumping here are probably looking to flip their cards. The Royals will make their decision on what's best from both a player development and financial standpoint. There's nothing wrong with putting him in A ball if that's what they decide.

[Zauron]

I will say, no way does Witt make the Royals this year. Maybe a late, late callup. Blue Jays didn't even call up Vlad Jr when he was hitting over .400 in the minors.

That said, Witt prices, Franco prices, confuse me. I brought up this point before with Franco:

Say Wittt has the start of his career similar to Francisco Lindor, what would happen to his prices?

Right now, Witt is priced significantly higher than Lindor. Lindor is considered an All Star shortstop, one of the best players in the game. If Witt comes out and slashes .300/.350/.450, with 15-20 homeruns, are people still going to be paying over $800 for his Bowman Chrome auto?

[JRX]

They'll sell them and buy the next guy in Bowman who has even less experience and pay even more for that card because that guy will be even better, rinse and repeat. Also, forget Lindor, god help the diamond hands if he's say the next Trevor Story.

[PLAYED4NOTHING]

Originally Posted by Cards and 401K

I Read an article regarding print run for 2020 Bowman 1st Edition and someone figured 12,500 to 13K base per player, This was the first time Topps released this edition
in several years(2005?), the foil parallel's in this product are off the charts nice looking.

Ok thanks for anything regarding a print run of the First Edition base. Does seem low but who really knows I guess, still figured they weren’t produced at the capacity of regular just for the fact that good ol’Covid was in its prime then. Regardless, these are some neat cards !!!

[ALBASKETBALL]

Originally Posted by Skeely

Lindors last bowman chrome base auto sale was for 380 and witts was for over 750. So if we presume that witt turns out to be lindor then people would be taking over a 40 percent loss on there current witt cards on most occasions. From a card perspective that would be a bust. From a playing perspective maybe not but i tend to view things on this forum in the lense of cards. I hope witt turns out to be everything people think he is and its certianly possible but it is important to take note of a teams farm system when evaluating a prospect.

Your point was being afraid of pulling the trigger out of fear Witt would become Bubba Starling. Lindor/The Indians were used as an example of looking at each player individually and no focusing on past franchise bust.

Comparing Lindor vs Witt current prices is a different topic and an apples to oranges comparison.

Note: I just read rwperu34 response. He sums up why the comparison is apples to oranges. Witt prices are probably inflated right now and Lindor seems to be undervalued.

There should be a buying period for Witt once the market cools down for him.

This goes back to my original post. If you feel Witt is a bonified stud - buy the dip. Don't worry about past bust.

[ucLAkers]

Show of hands who think he gets traded next year....

[ALBASKETBALL]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Show of hands who think he gets traded next year....

There isn't a realistic scenario where the Royals would trade Witt. No chance.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Show of hands who think he gets traded next year.... [/IMG]

Anything is possible, but I would absolutely shocked if they traded him. So I will firmly keep my hand down. I mean, it’s not like the Royals are being run by the former Mets GM who traded away Kelenic for a relief pitcher.

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by ALBASKETBALL

There isn't a realistic scenario where the Royals would trade Witt. No chance.

What makes you think that...honest question.

I think they will... due to the fact their future seems to have regressed. I just feel their 5 year window has closed since the last WS. Happens to everyone...
I dont by any means have any KC knowledge but looking at their team & the farm....looks like Witt could bring a powerhouse vet if they needed including a fat return of prospects.

Same thing happened with Lux...except Witt is better. Lux was almost a big trade last year....teams are probably thanking the Dodgers for every decline. But the Dodgers have an entire team of utility players that can play any position at any time. Lux was the exception to the rule since he is struggling on D at 2B. Dodgers had nothing to lose sitting on him.