Panini America CEO Addresses Jersey-Card Labeling Errors in 2014 Flawless Football - Page 5

phinzphan1372 · 11-18-2014, 04:42 PM

best comment in the OP link....

"Well that leads to another question then. Why the heck are you using event worn stuff in such a premium product?"

piner · 11-18-2014, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

Is there any way to voice our collective concern about this exclusive NFL license coming up?

Can anything make a difference in that regard? It really may be the end as we know it for the football card market.

I don't think anything can be done. I thought it was a done deal since they announced it. I wrote to the NFL marketing guy on twitter when the deal was announced saying I wouldn't buy an NFL panini product. He said he was disappointed to hear that but that I should "be open minded" lol.

arkeeper · 11-18-2014, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Coventry6546

For those that have twitter, you need to express your feelings on their most recent tweet. Just another epic fail on an already flawed product!

Did you notice they posted it to @paniniamerica so it will only show on their page if you click tweets & replies?

dolphinsdude · 11-18-2014, 04:43 PM

I personally have never bought a Panini product, though I do own a few cards from ebay purchases. They ruined classic Donruss/Playoff designs that I have been griping about for years. Now they are no better than Pacific, who at least had innovative and creative designs. To think they turned the best card company by far into the trash they sell today is mind blowing.

xavieronly1 · 11-18-2014, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by phinzphan1372

best comment in the OP link....

"Well that leads to another question then. Why the heck are you using event worn stuff in such a premium product?"

Because suckers don't care, and stupid people will still pay for those cards just because it is printed on thicker cardboard.

pigeonsbaseball · 11-18-2014, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 56chev

At first I thought of your reply as a bit dramatic, but is a simple "We're sorry" make up for a mistake of this magnitude?

I don't think it does...

As a buyer of a few Flawless Broncos, I'd be PI$$ed if I find out they are not "game worn".

Large companies like this don't usually just apologize for making such a large mistake...

Well if anything should be authentic it should be Broncos seeing how they have the sole buying agreement with them for their equipment like they do for the Cowboys.

All of this is BS. Rookies are event-worn everyone else is Game-used.

Lies. Absolute lies.

zepzoso · 11-18-2014, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by xavieronly1

So, if I get caught on selling game used jersey with fake COA, I will just defend that I put the wrong label in my COA. And everything is all good.

So, if I get caught on selling trimmed card from uncut sheet, I will just defend that I forgot to put the "cut from uncut sheet" in the selling. And everything is all good.

So, if I get caught on selling a BGS 8.0 after breaking the case and sell it raw, I will just defend that I forgot to put "broke from BGS 8.0" in the auction listing. And everything is all good.

That's how the shady people roll.

Sports jerseys lead to arrest | Star Tribune

chezball · 11-18-2014, 04:52 PM

I've been calling for a boycott of these mutts for years no one listened.Maybe this will wake you guys up.Also like how they say only 168 were affected.Seems to me that there're going to be 168 pissed off customers.

xXdirtyjoeXx · 11-18-2014, 04:53 PM

The Veteran Patches were touted as game worn. The card states Game Worn. The Sell Sheet states Game Worn. If its not Game Worn, then Panini has deceived its customers and a lawsuit should follow.

freethrowtommy · 11-18-2014, 04:55 PM

I give them props for addressing this...

However, that doesn't make it okay. People who spent money on these guys, especially if they thought the cards were GU, should be compensated or be able to return these cards to Panini somehow.

MASNAR · 11-18-2014, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by freethrowtommy

I give them props for addressing this...

However, that doesn't make it okay. People who spent money on these guys, especially if they thought the cards were GU, should be compensated or be able to return these cards to Panini somehow.

Sure you can exchange it for something of equal or better value? Well what value do they hold when the original card is FRAUD?

zonacats8 · 11-18-2014, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by freethrowtommy

I give them props for addressing this...

However, that doesn't make it okay. People who spent money on these guys, especially if they thought the cards were GU, should be compensated or be able to return these cards to Panini somehow.

I think anyone who can show they purchased a card that has this mistake should get to keep the card and then be reimbursed by Panini out of their own pocket.

arkeeper · 11-18-2014, 04:57 PM

Jersey experts need to comb all their cards now to see if any more have the same issue. I'm surprised it's just these 3 and they didn't note any others.

skipfreely · 11-18-2014, 04:57 PM

Straight up fraud.

LordLansdowne · 11-18-2014, 04:59 PM

Alshon and Russell Wilson were special enough to be the only players with event worn patches that come from Nike Limited jerseys from 2012-2014.

Despite the fact that hundreds of Alshon jerseys had the correct stitching were released in 2012 and almost every event worn jersey Wilson wore was the older style.

Game Worn - not even close
Event Worn - probably not

xavieronly1 · 11-18-2014, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by zepzoso

Sports jerseys lead to arrest | Star Tribune

Don't forget that card company has been known to pass their responsibility to these third parties. These card companies would even claim themselves as a "victim".

That's why you have the lawyers working on the wording in these GU cards. Guarantee what?

xavieronly1 · 11-18-2014, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MASNAR

Sure you can exchange it for something of equal or better value? Well what value do they hold when the original card is FRAUD?

Just print some 1/1 and you guys would shut up.

Brobocop · 11-18-2014, 05:10 PM

I just tweeted this:

@TimCardaway @PaniniAmerica @TracyHackler Do we get charged for shipping on the Flawless football replacements??

nabzy28 · 11-18-2014, 05:13 PM

... waiting for announcement of name of printing company guy who will take the fall for this. Totally his/her fault. Totally. Now, where'd we put that email with specific instructions to change the text on just those 3 cards?

garpike · 11-18-2014, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

So, Flawless also contains a card of a 6th round draft pick rookie cut before the season started with the wrong patch. Awesome.

Maybe it is one of those predictor cards....where will Boyd end up next season!?

LOL!

ILOVEBEER · 11-18-2014, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by zonacats8

I would also LOVE to hear how they plan on replacing cards that sell for hundreds of dollars, seeing as how anytime someone has to replace a high end damaged hit or card that's never been made Panini likes to try and give them unopened junk instead (I see you 2013 Panini Black)

Here's your free box of Hot Rookies and 1000 Rewards points.

freethrowtommy · 11-18-2014, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MASNAR

Sure you can exchange it for something of equal or better value? Well what value do they hold when the original card is FRAUD?

It would be easy to prove if you bought the card on eBay or by a means that offers a receipt of some sort.

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Originally Posted by zonacats8

I think anyone who can show they purchased a card that has this mistake should get to keep the card and then be reimbursed by Panini out of their own pocket.

That works too.

ILOVEBEER · 11-18-2014, 05:23 PM

“The error in this case occurred in the labeling of those cards, not in producing them.#@

Good damage control. What a joke. So you make a product that costs over $1k and oops, it was mislabeled and not just one card, but a lot. I could see a class action lawsuit coming, as it should. If you bought one of these boxes, hopefully you saved a receipt and dont dare send in that card for replacememnt.

cniel2924 · 11-18-2014, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

Just one of the many reason why I stopped buying wax.

Panini has been a disaster since entering the hobby in 09. Group breaks are the only reason they are allowed to make crap sandwiches and keep turning a profit. If this were 2004 the hobby would have already flushed them away with the collectors edge and Action Packed company's of the world.

The secondary market on all of their products is laughable. That is a DIRECT case of collectors not liking their products. I am convinced that group breaks are almost hurting the health of the hobby at this point.

Without group breakers I tend to agree we would have seen more balance in the hobby and also less junk products. Panini knows they can get away with it when they have some very talented salesmen working for them as group breakers. I mean guys have been taking baths on products across the board not just panini products and it is not because people want to support these card companies, people are buying into breaks to support the group breakers and maintain the hobby community

callou2131 · 11-18-2014, 05:29 PM

Bwahahahaha this dude must think we are all a bunch of idiots. So whats up with the davis broncos jersey too? This is flat out fraud.

11-18-2014, 04:52 PM	#108
chezball Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: North East Beatoff USA Posts: 21,678 jabber	I've been calling for a boycott of these mutts for years no one listened.Maybe this will wake you guys up.Also like how they say only 168 were affected.Seems to me that there're going to be 168 pissed off customers. Last edited by chezball; 11-18-2014 at 04:58 PM.

11-18-2014, 04:55 PM	#110
freethrowtommy Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 31,686 freethrowtommy	I give them props for addressing this... However, that doesn't make it okay. People who spent money on these guys, especially if they thought the cards were GU, should be compensated or be able to return these cards to Panini somehow. __________________ Jordy Nelson PC: http://tinyurl.com/nelson87 Aaron Rodgers PC: http://tinyurl.com/rodgers12 And the Lord said unto John, "come forth and ye shall receive eternal life." But John came fifth and won a toaster.

11-18-2014, 04:57 PM	#113
arkeeper Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 3,080 ark_keeper	Jersey experts need to comb all their cards now to see if any more have the same issue. I'm surprised it's just these 3 and they didn't note any others. __________________ Bengals (Recent players), Bills (Early 90's) Buckeyes, Louisville Cardinals Peyton Siva Autos http://s22.photobucket.com/user/ark_keeper/library/Sports%20Cards/FT%20-%20FS

11-18-2014, 04:57 PM	#114
skipfreely Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 865	Straight up fraud. __________________ Vikes, Twins and AVS fan.

11-18-2014, 05:13 PM	#119
nabzy28 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: In a warehouse of common sense Posts: 7,253 nabzy28	... waiting for announcement of name of printing company guy who will take the fall for this. Totally his/her fault. Totally. Now, where'd we put that email with specific instructions to change the text on just those 3 cards? __________________ Sent from my Danger Hiptop T-Mobile Sidekick in 2002

11-18-2014, 04:42 PM	#101
phinzphan1372 Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Outlaw Nation, RI 401 Posts: 3,522	best comment in the OP link.... "Well that leads to another question then. Why the heck are you using event worn stuff in such a premium product?"

11-18-2014, 04:43 PM	#104
dolphinsdude Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,148	I personally have never bought a Panini product, though I do own a few cards from ebay purchases. They ruined classic Donruss/Playoff designs that I have been griping about for years. Now they are no better than Pacific, who at least had innovative and creative designs. To think they turned the best card company by far into the trash they sell today is mind blowing.

11-18-2014, 04:53 PM	#109
xXdirtyjoeXx Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Pataskala, Ohio Posts: 3,158 pumba15t2f	The Veteran Patches were touted as game worn. The card states Game Worn. The Sell Sheet states Game Worn. If its not Game Worn, then Panini has deceived its customers and a lawsuit should follow.

11-18-2014, 04:59 PM	#115
LordLansdowne Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 442	Alshon and Russell Wilson were special enough to be the only players with event worn patches that come from Nike Limited jerseys from 2012-2014. Despite the fact that hundreds of Alshon jerseys had the correct stitching were released in 2012 and almost every event worn jersey Wilson wore was the older style. Game Worn - not even close Event Worn - probably not

11-18-2014, 05:10 PM	#118
Brobocop Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 13,728 brobocop2	I just tweeted this: @TimCardaway @PaniniAmerica @TracyHackler Do we get charged for shipping on the Flawless football replacements??

11-18-2014, 05:23 PM	#123
ILOVEBEER Banned Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Denver Posts: 4,981	“The error in this case occurred in the labeling of those cards, not in producing them.#@ Good damage control. What a joke. So you make a product that costs over $1k and oops, it was mislabeled and not just one card, but a lot. I could see a class action lawsuit coming, as it should. If you bought one of these boxes, hopefully you saved a receipt and dont dare send in that card for replacememnt.

11-18-2014, 05:29 PM	#125
callou2131 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Centreville, Md Posts: 8,474	Bwahahahaha this dude must think we are all a bunch of idiots. So whats up with the davis broncos jersey too? This is flat out fraud. __________________ Sent using US Airways Wifi