2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I don't disagree, but from my vantage point it's really just the service industry under this plight.

"Get back to work at my restaurant or your fired"

**looks around at 1000 other restaurants desperate for employees**

It's not like the boss has much leverage in this scenario that I can see. The jobs that have been shutdown are the "dime a dozen" variety (again, just speaking to what I see in my city).

Think it would depend on the restaurant. But most for sure

[chezball]

Think they forgot to add the Hong Kong protesters.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Think it would depend on the restaurant. But most for sure

Again, anecdotal but our fine dining establishments "opened" this past Friday. Except most didn't because nobody would come to work, and that's with a monitored 25% occupancy.

My BIL is a waiter at a Top-5 restaurant in town and asked to go back at the end of July, along with the other wait staff who already got on UE. His restaurant, which planned on opening May 1st, is still closed because nobody is working.

When will they open? Who knows? I guess they could fire everybody, but then what? Nobody in my town is ready to go back, so you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Except if you fire these people they can claim UE on you for a longer time AND you have to invest in retraining staff IN BULK.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Again, anecdotal but our fine dining establishments "opened" this past Friday. Except most didn't because nobody would come to work, and that's with a monitored 25% occupancy.

My BIL is a waiter at a Top-5 restaurant in town and asked to go back at the end of July, along with the other wait staff who already got on UE. His restaurant, which planned on opening May 1st, is still closed because nobody is working.

When will they open? Who knows? I guess they could fire everybody, but then what? Nobody in my town is ready to go back, so you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Except if you fire these people they can claim UE on you for a longer time AND you have to invest in retraining staff IN BULK.

The problem here isn't the staff in the sense of future difficultly, its whether or not the restaurant is around. Rent among other costs are not going away and there's no PPP to help if your employees were already let go. (Insurance another large one).

Many restaurants won't survive when it comes time to open ... IF that opening doesn't happen in full force, this summer.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

People like you are part of the problem, you are 100% wrong, yet you've convinced yourself that you are right, and instead of accepting the fact you're wrong, you double down on it. I don't point this out to embarrass you, I point it out so you can learn from it. Plus you're twisting words again, I absolutely care about the unemployed, more than you do, I was saying that the unemployed number doesn't matter as much as the sick and dying numbers. We can fix situations for people that are still alive, we can't fix the dead.



No one wants to lose their livelihood or home. We need to come up with a better solution though than just "Open for business".

Socialism is never the better solution but you and joan continue to push it like the good trolls you are.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

The problem here isn't the staff in the sense of future difficultly, its whether or not the restaurant is around. Rent among other costs are not going away and there's no PPP to help if your employees were already let go. (Insurance another large one).

Many restaurants won't survive when it comes time to open ... IF that opening doesn't happen in full force, this summer.

We shall see.

When this is over, new restaurants will open for those that have closed. There's always another in line.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

We shall see.

When this is over, new restaurants will open for those that have closed. There's always another in line.

Yes. This will happen and another thing that will happen is Hedge Funds will swoop in and offer to save many by taking large ownership positions. They have the money to float business owners who are willing to give up equity today for a business tomorrow.

A lot of changes.

[Onions]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

It was dumb to give the +600 a week. They shouldn’t have changed the program at all.

Thank Chuck Schumer for that, he wanted "unemployment on steroids" and got it.

They need to get back together and formulate a plan to incentivize those back to work rather than those taking the $5k+ a month to stay home. Payroll tax breaks, or flip the benefit to pay those back working an extra $XXX/week instead. The worst thing they could possibly do is extend this benefit the way it is now, and I have already heard talk about it.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Renewable energy topped coal in US for 40 days straight

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...-straight-days

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Awesome. We did it people.

All we had to do was close the world! Climate saved!

What he doesn't realize is that during Obama's "war on coal" and with the dirt cheap natural gas prices, most coal fired plants were not actually closed but instead converted to natural gas. I'm sure renewables are not passing natural gas for energy consumption.

And just for good measure, there are still lots of trains hauling coal off to our ports for China and India and every other country who could care less about the Paris Accord they signed.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

We shall see.

When this is over, new restaurants will open for those that have closed. There's always another in line.

Don't you honestly think that new entrepreneurs will be less willing to line up to sink their life savings into new restaurants for years to come in case we decide to close the entire country for the next virus that comes out of China? I mean, who is going to be anxious to waste their money with no guarantee they won't end up exactly like the people now who have lost everything due to the shutdown?

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Socialism is never the better solution but her you and joan continue to push it look the good trolls you are.

You're right, socialism should only be for the rich. Imagine how awful our country would be if we eliminated poverty! You can go back to watching your Thomas the Tank Engine in peace now.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

What he doesn't realize is that during Obama's "war on coal" and with the dirt cheap natural gas prices, most coal fired plants were not actually closed but instead converted to natural gas. I'm sure renewables are not passing natural gas for energy consumption.

And just for good measure, there are still lots of trains hauling coal off to our ports for China and India and every other country who could care less about the Paris Accord they signed.

Wind turbines, solar, recharging your cars, etc. just another way to make money. Doubt it’s even making an impact on our world. What happens when there is no wind? How are solar panels made? Don’t you need fossil fuels to run most of these and also keep them on since wind is intermittent?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

You're right, socialism should only be for the rich. Imagine how awful our country would be if we eliminated poverty! You can go back to watching your Thomas the Tank Engine in peace now.

I want this too. But you're solution doesn't make sense. Did ... did you read the last two pages about the $600 unemployment benefits? People don't want to work because they're getting paid not to. What do you think happens when we tell the rich people "the more you make, the more we take"

And what happens to the poor people who are getting paid?

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

You're right, socialism should only be for the rich. Imagine how awful our country would be if we eliminated poverty! You can go back to watching your Thomas the Tank Engine in peace now.

Then why don't you put your money where your mouth is and give all of your money minus the minimum required for a minimalist house, minimalist vehicle, electric, water, trash, etc. to poor people so you can raise them up. Amazing how all of you POS socialists want to take everyone else's money but never contribute everything you possibly can yourself.

Thomas The Tank Engine is annoying is you. Thankfully my Son stopped watching it about 3 years ago.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by Onions

Thank Chuck Schumer for that, he wanted "unemployment on steroids" and got it.

They need to get back together and formulate a plan to incentivize those back to work rather than those taking the $5k+ a month to stay home. Payroll tax breaks, or flip the benefit to pay those back working an extra $XXX/week instead. The worst thing they could possibly do is extend this benefit the way it is now, and I have already heard talk about it.

Both sides wanted something similar. The dollar difference is barely relevant. Neither side can say no to the voters because we will vote them out of office in favor of someone who will give us our entitlements.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I want this too. But you're solution doesn't make sense. Did ... did you read the last two pages about the $600 unemployment benefits? People don't want to work because they're getting paid not to. What do you think happens when we tell the rich people "the more you make, the more we take"

And what happens to the poor people who are getting paid?

I think it will be different in a healthy environment, I don't believe that most people would choose to not work under regular conditions. Why do people get higher paying jobs in the first place? To afford more of the things they want in life. This won't go away just because there's a new floor level for everyone.

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Then why don't you put your money where your mouth is and give all of your money minus the minimum required for a minimalist house, minimalist vehicle, electric, water, trash, etc. to poor people so you can raise them up. Amazing how all of you POS socialists want to take everyone else's money but never contribute everything you possibly can yourself.

Thomas The Tank Engine is annoying is you. Thankfully my Son stopped watching it about 3 years ago.

I don't think anyone is being asked to give up all their money and possessions minus what you listed. Maybe your son could help you come up with a better argument.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

I think it will be different in a healthy environment, I don't believe that most people would choose to not work under regular conditions. Why do people get higher paying jobs in the first place? To afford more of the things they want in life. This won't go away just because there's a new floor level for everyone.

A quick example.

Obamacare. Those that are healthy and have $$ pay more to ensure those that those who are not healthy can get insurance for free. Socialized medicine.

When I was a contractor 7 years ago, I had to buy my own health insurance. Married, no kids yet, my $13,000 deductible policy was $551 a month. Pretty expensive for two healthy 28 year olds. Fast forward FOUR years later, now a family of four with two healthy kids (3 and infant) and two healthy 32 year olds, that same policy should I have chosen to renew it was $1,622 a month. No **!@*ing way.

Worst coverage I could get, no real coverage, super high deductible, 20K out of pocket just for the insurance. So we did without for two years until I landed a job with a company because I realized I needed health insurance to sleep!

The incentive for me to buy into the system was gone. As it will be when the price to cover the poor continues to grow and grow and grow.

[kerg]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Thomas The Tank Engine is annoying is you. Thankfully my Son stopped watching it about 3 years ago.

On a side note, the creators of Thomas the Tank did not quite think through the difficulties a 3 year old might have enunciating the name 'Percy'.

Or maybe they did....

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by kerg

On a side note, the creators of Thomas the Tank did not quite think through the difficulties a 3 year old might have enunciating the name 'Percy'.

Or maybe they did....

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

A quick example.

Obamacare. Those that are healthy and have $$ pay more to ensure those that those who are not healthy can get insurance for free. Socialized medicine.

When I was a contractor 7 years ago, I had to buy my own health insurance. Married, no kids yet, my $13,000 deductible policy was $551 a month. Pretty expensive for two healthy 28 year olds. Fast forward FOUR years later, now a family of four with two healthy kids (3 and infant) and two healthy 32 year olds, that same policy should I have chosen to renew it was $1,622 a month. No **!@*ing way.

Worst coverage I could get, no real coverage, super high deductible, 20K out of pocket just for the insurance. So we did without for two years until I landed a job with a company because I realized I needed health insurance to sleep!

The incentive for me to buy into the system was gone. As it will be when the price to cover the poor continues to grow and grow and grow.

I think it's important to de-couple insurance from work. There are a lot of people in situations like you described. It's awful, and when someone does find a job that is offering insurance that is decent they are less likely to leave the job out of fear of losing their health plan. Even if you don't believe in medicare for all, I think you'd probably agree that our system needs an overhaul, no one should be going broke because of a medical condition.

[DegaBama]

I wonder where all the Chicago based teams will move to since Illinois will never fully open again.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I want this too. But you're solution doesn't make sense. Did ... did you read the last two pages about the $600 unemployment benefits? People don't want to work because they're getting paid not to. What do you think happens when we tell the rich people "the more you make, the more we take"

And what happens to the poor people who are getting paid?

That is a silly correlation. True wealth knows it’s not the number made, but where you are relative to everybody else.

If the richest person in the world had $10, but everybody else made a penny, the guy worth $10 is still astronomically better off than the masses. If you put a system in place to “tax” the rich there will always be others reaching for that brass ring. It doesn’t work the same way when dealing with the lower class and not in your example either.

Making more to stay home is not the same as staying home and making less (your example of “the more you make, the more we take”). You can take half the money from someone making $10M and they’re not just going to close their doors and stop, and even if they did there will be another in line to take the lost market share and build on their wealth relative to the others.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Then why don't you put your money where your mouth is and give all of your money minus the minimum required for a minimalist house, minimalist vehicle, electric, water, trash, etc. to poor people so you can raise them up. Amazing how all of you POS socialists want to take everyone else's money but never contribute everything you possibly can yourself.

If it meant everyone in America could not be afraid of paying to go to the doctor or wonder where their next meal will come from, I'd gladly give everything I earn over the basic level needed to survive. I'd sell every card I own, too.

The problem is, a systemic change is needed in the way we provide healthcare and welfare services. I bet you and I would agree on a few things that need to be fine tuned, changed, or eliminated all together. Isn't one of the right's favorite sayings, "You can't just throw money at the problem."

I do wonder why the idea of everyone contributing to ensure a basic level of healthcare makes you mad enough that you feel the need to call them pieces of sh!t. You're the only person I've ever let an argument get personal with in this forum, and that had to do with your absolute callousness toward other human beings. Do you have anger issues?

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

I wonder where all the Chicago based teams will move to since Illinois will never fully open again.

California too. If you play games with fans it certainly hurts teams that aren't going to be able to play for a "home" crowd.

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

I wonder where all the Chicago based teams will move to since Illinois will never fully open again.

Can’t say I blame them

Can’t wait to be a Milwaukee White Sox fan