First Buzz: 2021 Topps Star Wars Stellar Signatures

[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by Ty Hope

I hated it so much that it killed my interest going forward entirely.

Oh yeah, you totally checked out, you barely comment on it anymore and I'm certain you did not watch Mandalorian -- so abrasive is your distaste for anything than the OT. You're so uninterested in Star Wars that you create these bizarre false narratives about Rian Johnson getting into a shouting match with Mark Hamill and spitting in his face during the filming of TLJ. Must be a burden knowing exactly what was going through every single stakeholder's mind during the making of TLJ. I'm left sitting here like an idiot thinking it was probably a really complex series of decisions made by many different parties that produced the sequels.

[Rictor]

I'm an OG Star Wars fan that left Star Wars fandom for years after Episode I, II, III and the Lucas special editions of episode IV, V, VI. I feel George Lucas ruined Star Wars by messing with the originals, and his new trilogy was just horrible. Personally, I feel that VII, VIII, and IX were a hundred times better than I, II, and III, and Lucas selling the franchise was the best thing for it. Some people will argue that Lucas was already slipping with Return of the Jedi. Ewoks were about as popular as Jar Jar Binks when Jedi came out.

I also feel that The Mandalorian is probably the best Star Wars story since Empire Strikes Back. They really captured the soul of the original trilogy in this series. The original trilogy was based on movie serials that came out weekly and ended on a cliffhanger. Disney+ allows for a format closer to a movie serial.

Disney+ already has 179 million subscribers. Assume most of those subscribers share their subscription with multiple family members, and you've got a conservative half billion viewers. The most popular Star Wars film, A New Hope, sold 178,119,500 tickets. Disney+ has the potential to bring more eyeballs to Star Wars than any film has ever received.

I think the future of Star Wars is bright. We're getting a lot of new series on Disney+, but there will be new films as well.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

Oh You're so uninterested in Star Wars that you create these bizarre false narratives about Rian Johnson getting into a shouting match with Mark Hamill and spitting in his face during the filming of TLJ. Must be a burden knowing exactly what was going through every single stakeholder's mind during the making of TLJ. I

I'm pretty sure he meant figuratively speaking....it's fact Mark Hamill and his opinion were dismissed by the director and KK while filming....

[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I'm pretty sure he meant figuratively speaking....it's fact Mark Hamill and his opinion were dismissed by the director and KK while filming....

From Mark Hamill:

I regret voicing my doubts & insecurities in public.Creative differences are a common element of any project but usually remain private. All I wanted was to make good movie. I got more than that-
@rianjohnson
made an all-time GREAT one! #HumbledHamill

Hamill's an adult, I wish everyone was. Go watch The Island of Dr Moreau with Marlon Brando and ask yourself if it's a good idea to let someone have ultimate control with a movie just because they're a legend.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

From Mark Hamill:



Hamill's an adult, I wish everyone was. Go watch The Island of Dr Moreau with Marlon Brando and ask yourself if it's a good idea to let someone have ultimate control with a movie just because they're a legend.

Who said anything about "ultimate control"? Stop making stuff up dude. I said his opinion was dismissed by Rian Johnson. I can't speak about being a director but I can speak about being a leader. Part of good leadership is taking the opinion of those on your team and making an informed decision from there. One would think Rian Johnson would have a long talk with Mark Hamill considering his experience with SW and Luke. Then sit down and discuss why he chose to go a certain route but that seemingly didn't happen with how disgruntled he was prior to the movies release. You come across as very defensive to those that have a differing opinion. Clearly there are people here that aren't going to agree with you and vice versa. I want you to know that it's ok, you'll live and your dreams of the sequel trilogy being the greatest of all time will always live in your heart no matter the outcome.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Vargaman

Doesn’t help Daisy isn’t blowing up Hollywood.

Now if Robert Downey Jr or Chris Pratt get a starting main role in a new trilogy then I’d say we could have a Ford rival.


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I dont see either of those actors on the Harrison Ford level but combined with other actors, it can get close. When the X-Men officially enter the MCU, I can see the original movie cast, in some multi-verse plot, igniting a fire in the community. Patrick Stewart, Hugh Jackman, Jennifer Lawrence, Halle Berry,Sophie Turner,Ryan Reynolds....Jeez!

[Vargaman]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I dont see either of those actors on the Harrison Ford level but combined with other actors, it can get close. When the X-Men officially enter the MCU, I can see the original movie cast, in some multi-verse plot, igniting a fire in the community. Patrick Stewart, Hugh Jackman, Jennifer Lawrence, Halle Berry,Sophie Turner,Ryan Reynolds....Jeez!

RDJ signing was pretty expensive. He’d definitely rival Fords pricing if he was a lead in a new Star Wars show or trilogy of films.

Pratt is also generally loved from TV to movies and have the Jurassic Park and Guardians trilogies as well.

It’s not like Ford is an amazing actor he just has lots of nostalgia and memorable roles. Outside of SW and IJ there’s not much going on or critical acclaim.

And I think even if Marvel went full new cast for X-men, similar to how they did the First Class movie, regardless of multi-verse cameos fans are DYING for Wolverine and co to team up with the other Avengers.


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[Archangel1775]

Yeah,just like the MCU and actors basically asking for roles, I feel like Star Wars can get to that level once they expand outside the Skywalker Saga. There are some great stories in the books that can appeal to the bigger actors.

[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I said his opinion was dismissed by Rian Johnson. I can't speak about being a director but I can speak about being a leader. Part of good leadership is taking the opinion of those on your team and making an informed decision from there. One would think Rian Johnson would have a long talk with Mark Hamill considering his experience with SW and Luke. Then sit down and discuss why he chose to go a certain route but that seemingly didn't happen with how disgruntled he was prior to the movies release.

This is false. Prior to the release Mark Hamill didn't say anything about TLJ. After the fan backlash suddenly he was Mr. I-Told-You-So. The reason he backpedalled so hard on Twitter and in multiple interviews is two fold: Rian Johnson did sit down and talk to him about it while they were filming like every director should with a star and Mark Hamill hasn't once said what they should have done with Luke's self-exile. Just like no one in this thread has given one single suggestion for it.

So since you know everything that transpired, what did Hamill propose? Smiling and hugging Rey and saying "I've been waiting for you. I am your father?" or "I've let enough people die, let's go kick some Sith butt!" I'm very interested in suggestions honestly.

I'd like to see Benicio Del Toro, Donald Glover & Kiera Knightly in a star wars stellar product. No they're not going to carry the case's MSRP of course nor am I comparing them to Ford or Hamill but it'd be fun to add those to my collection. It also kind of makes sense since there are evidently no more movies to be featuring those characters.

[VinnyH]

saw this on Twitter...

[Ty Hope]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

Oh yeah, you totally checked out, you barely comment on it anymore and I'm certain you did not watch Mandalorian -- so abrasive is your distaste for anything than the OT. You're so uninterested in Star Wars that you create these bizarre false narratives about Rian Johnson getting into a shouting match with Mark Hamill and spitting in his face during the filming of TLJ. Must be a burden knowing exactly what was going through every single stakeholder's mind during the making of TLJ. I'm left sitting here like an idiot thinking it was probably a really complex series of decisions made by many different parties that produced the sequels.

You took “spitting in the face” literally? lol
Go watch the countless interviews with Mark regarding “Jake” Skywalker.

And no, I haven’t seen a single episode of Mandolorian. I don’t have Disney Plus either. Nice assumption though.

I joined the discussion because it’s a card forum and I still own a lot of SW autos and cards from older sets. The topic at hand was regarding values going forward. I brought up a perspective in which I believe prices will fall. I gave my reasons. Of course I could be wrong. You’re taking this way too personally. I never attacked anyone for disliking the new stuff. I merely presented why I find it to be trash.

[Vargaman]

Originally Posted by Ty Hope

You took “spitting in the face” literally? lol
Go watch the countless interviews with Mark regarding “Jake” Skywalker.

And no, I haven’t seen a single episode of Mandolorian. I don’t have Disney Plus either. Nice assumption though.

I joined the discussion because it’s a card forum and I still own a lot of SW autos and cards from older sets. The topic at hand was regarding values going forward. I brought up a perspective in which I believe prices will fall. I gave my reasons. Of course I could be wrong. You’re taking this way too personally. I never attacked anyone for disliking the new stuff. I merely presented why I find it to be trash.

I guess I was 10 when the PT came out so I loved it but I also dislike the ST

However, if you love the OT and ARENT watching the Mandalorian because whatever dumb reason against Disney or anything not Lucas then you’re missing out.

Pay the $6 for a month and binge the two seasons.


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[AngusMacGyver]

Originally Posted by Vargaman

I guess I was 10 when the PT came out so I loved it but I also dislike the ST

However, if you love the OT and ARENT watching the Mandalorian because whatever dumb reason against Disney or anything not Lucas then you’re missing out.

Pay the $6 for a month and binge the two seasons.


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Yeah this is %100 correct. I have many problems with the prequel and sequel trilogies...doesn't matter what they are. The Mandalorian is just a really good, fun Star Wars show and you should give it a try for sure. Maybe get a bootleg copy so Disney doesn't get a cut?

[Ty Hope]

Originally Posted by Vargaman

I guess I was 10 when the PT came out so I loved it but I also dislike the ST

However, if you love the OT and ARENT watching the Mandalorian because whatever dumb reason against Disney or anything not Lucas then you’re missing out.

Pay the $6 for a month and binge the two seasons.


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I may like it but honestly I’m not a TV show guy. I’ve never had any streaming services and can’t see myself getting any. And I’m at the point of disinterest that I’ll just stick to the OG movies and leave Star Wars in a good place. Again, glad that some are still invested. I’m just being honest when I say they lost me.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

This is false. Prior to the release Mark Hamill didn't say anything about TLJ.

So since you know everything that transpired, what did Hamill propose? Smiling and hugging Rey and saying "I've been waiting for you. I am your father?" or "I've let enough people die, let's go kick some Sith butt!" I'm very interested in suggestions honestly.

He didn't have to say anything specific, just watch the discussion panels with Rian and KK.

I'm not sure where you're coming from with the second point you're trying to make. Mark's opinion is out there in multiple interviews(written/video) on why he disagreed with Luke's character. Why would you think I know how Mark would write his character? Again, you seem to take it personal....are you Rian Johnson? Haha

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Ty Hope

I may like it but honestly I’m not a TV show guy. I’ve never had any streaming services and can’t see myself getting any. And I’m at the point of disinterest that I’ll just stick to the OG movies and leave Star Wars in a good place. Again, glad that some are still invested. I’m just being honest when I say they lost me.

You are one of many that I have seen with the same opinion. I'm less than an hour drive from Disneyland and have zero interest in going to Star Wars Land. That's two people not willing to shell out money for the sequels just in this forum...imagine how many people in the world feel the same way...multiple generations of fans too. KK and her Dream Team of directors/writers took an extreme route. The opportunity cost is in the billions.

[Ty Hope]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

You are one of many that I have seen with the same opinion. I'm less than an hour drive from Disneyland and have zero interest in going to Star Wars Land. That's two people not willing to shell out money for the sequels just in this forum...imagine how many people in the world feel the same way...multiple generations of fans too. KK and her Dream Team of directors/writers took an extreme route. The opportunity cost is in the billions.

I hear ya. I used to but tons of merch, go to celebration, and was crazy into everything SW. I even had lego sets. But ep8 was so incredibly horrible that my interest went from 100 to zero. I even liked ep7, but have since given that blu ray away. The Disney stuff turns my stomach.

[Vargaman]

Originally Posted by Ty Hope

I may like it but honestly I’m not a TV show guy. I’ve never had any streaming services and can’t see myself getting any. And I’m at the point of disinterest that I’ll just stick to the OG movies and leave Star Wars in a good place. Again, glad that some are still invested. I’m just being honest when I say they lost me.

Only sith deal in absolutes…

Also, not judging, but that response about streaming services and anti-tv shows makes me think you’re 90years old and have dial-up internet.

There’s so much great content from many streaming services.

And again Mandalorian is basically perfection and closest thing to OT a true successor. Baby Yoda was amazing and reignited the fan base.


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[Ty Hope]

Originally Posted by Vargaman

Only sith deal in absolutes…

Also, not judging, but that response about streaming services and anti-tv shows makes me think you’re 90years old and have dial-up internet.

There’s so much great content from many streaming services.

And again Mandalorian is basically perfection and closest thing to OT a true successor. Baby Yoda was amazing and reignited the fan base.


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No, I just don’t watch TV shows. I’ve always been that way. I’m a huge movie buff and prefer my viewing in theaters. At home I play and stream games primarily. I hold a few world records and play competitively. TV shows don’t interest me and I don’t have the time. I’m also at the gym 5 days a week.

As far as my internet, I’m in Japan. It rocks lol

[glorbgorb]

Originally Posted by Vargaman

And again Mandalorian is basically perfection and closest thing to OT a true successor. Baby Yoda was amazing and reignited the fan base.

Big OT fan here, didn't think Mandalorian was that good. Baby Yoda was basically a two-season-long plot device created to sell toys. I am more interested to see how season three goes now that he is not the anchor of the show.

(And no, I'm not a 90-year old with dial-up, either.)

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Ty Hope

No, I just don’t watch TV shows. I’ve always been that way. I’m a huge movie buff and prefer my viewing in theaters. At home I play and stream games primarily. I hold a few world records and play competitively. TV shows don’t interest me and I don’t have the time. I’m also at the gym 5 days a week.

As far as my internet, I’m in Japan. It rocks lol

That'll do it! I find myself at home watching TV shows and playing games at the same time, of course I don't do it competitively. I've recently found a lot of joy in hitting the move theaters with my sons. It was awesome seeing their response to the new Dune. The next month is going to be nuts with Boba Fett , Spiderman, Hawkeye and the Matrix.

[webjon]

Originally Posted by glorbgorb

Big OT fan here, didn't think Mandalorian was that good. Baby Yoda was basically a two-season-long plot device created to sell toys. I am more interested to see how season three goes now that he is not the anchor of the show.

I thought Season I was good.

Half the episodes of Season II were like a video game plot -- Mando needs some random thing from some random people. Those people need help with some random thing. Mando trades help for thing.

The second half of Season II was a bit better, but seemed a bit . . . overcooked. It was kinda too much and kinda unsatisfying -- it seemed like they were just creating episodes to create new spin-off shows.

Dropped Disney+ since, and am not likely to sign back up again anytime soon.

[Ty Hope]

The thing with the OT is that there was a mystique around it. Lightning in a bottle if you will. It transcended other franchises and was once in a generation event. That is near impossible to replicate. Marvel did it too but that is now going to decline. It’s time for the next big thing.

[VinnyH]

It always seems odd to me that we don't get leaks from Topps employees and contractors. You'd figure someone at the printers or in the graphics dept. or marketing dept. would see who's in things.
Marvel movies, political stuff, baseball trades, and others always seem to get early tidbits. We need someone on the inside
Oh Well,
Vinny

[Vargaman]

Originally Posted by VinnyH

It always seems odd to me that we don't get leaks from Topps employees and contractors. You'd figure someone at the printers or in the graphics dept. or marketing dept. would see who's in things.
Marvel movies, political stuff, baseball trades, and others always seem to get early tidbits. We need someone on the inside
Oh Well,
Vinny

I guess the main thing is who would care as much for the risk of being caught? Topps barely even promotes their own stuff haha more people have learned signers from the actor’s own social media posts.

Leaking a sports trade is HUGE to be first to the story

Movie spoilers from set leaks are also a big money maker for getting YouTube and social likes and clicks

Aside from these kinds of forums, who would be excited to know Dave Filoni is signing in Stellar before the checklist drops?


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