Marvel Cards are going crazy.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Then what's the arguing about?

I didnt mean to make it an argument, just wondering how something like that could even happen.

Originally Posted by Findingtime

Did the seller have multiple listed at the same time and eBay hid/suppressed the search results due to their policies?

Good buy though!

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/l...policy?id=4255

Originally Posted by nabzy28

130 point lists it as "single bid auction..."

eBay admitted in the past that some listings don't get displayed to various regions at any given time. Prevents the servers from melting down, I'd imagine. Wouldn't be surprised if a few just glitch every now and then and other bidders miss out.

Some interesting thoughts... Im not sure.. I imagine it's a case of no one catching it before it ended or perhaps were intending to bid and got distracted/not around computer or phone to bid. If it was being hid because ebay suppressed it, then I have to wonder how I myself saw it. And the watchers too.

If ebay actually didnt show auctions ending in basically all regions except one region, that would be devastating to the integrity of its auctions...imagine if someone was auctioning off like an Amazing Fantasy 15, then all the sudden it goes for like $500 instead of $75k because nearly the whole country couldnt see it. As hard as it is for me to believe simply no one else saw it when ending/remembered to bid, I think occam's razor would suggest this is what probably happened.

[alphaomegas]

Don’t worry guys marvel cards be printed every year until the end of days. Same old characters over and over again. Reason I see marvel being a fad and phase pump and dump. There be good cards like anything else but most Americans live paycheck to paycheck so not much money going around especially when card companies siphon money from hobby by selling inlafted boxs at high price and also selling fake junk epacks

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by alphaomegas

Don’t worry guys marvel cards be printed every year until the end of days. Same old characters over and over again. Reason I see marvel being a fad and phase pump and dump. There be good cards like anything else but most Americans live paycheck to paycheck so not much money going around especially when card companies siphon money from hobby by selling inlafted boxs at high price and also selling fake junk epacks

I could see someone saying 'Marvel cards be printed every year until the end of days' around 1994, at the height of the 90s card boom, and look what happened there: production drastically cut around 1995, to a full stop by 1998, not to be resurrected on a major scale until 2007 when UD arrived with the Fleer brand and Rittenhouse. There's no guarantee UD will continue to hold the Marvel license and produce cards like this, although I hope they do (without them...no Marvel Masterpieces or PMGs etc, the former I care about more). Heck forget about every year, you could make the argument they arent really printing much this year until they finally release a mainstream Marvel product physically.

Doesnt high prices/living paycheck to paycheck impact all collectibles, including sports cards, comics, coins, etc, and not just Marvel cards? The odd thing though is, as you yourself noted, high priced boxes are being sold, by retailers, such as with Spidey metal. This is evidence there is a strong market for these, and even despite the economic hardships, people are paying over $500 for this box....says a lot about their confidence these boxes/cards within will hold value.

[Tim]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

I could see someone saying 'Marvel cards be printed every year until the end of days' around 1994, at the height of the 90s card boom, and look what happened there: production drastically cut around 1995, to a full stop by 1998, not to be resurrected on a major scale until 2007 when UD arrived with the Fleer brand and Rittenhouse. There's no guarantee UD will continue to hold the Marvel license and produce cards like this, although I hope they do (without them...no Marvel Masterpieces or PMGs etc, the former I care about more). Heck forget about every year, you could make the argument they arent really printing much this year until they finally release a mainstream Marvel product physically.

Doesnt high prices/living paycheck to paycheck impact all collectibles, including sports cards, comics, coins, etc, and not just Marvel cards? The odd thing though is, as you yourself noted, high priced boxes are being sold, by retailers, such as with Spidey metal. This is evidence there is a strong market for these, and even despite the economic hardships, people are paying over $500 for this box....says a lot about their confidence these boxes/cards within will hold value.

Don't feed the troll.

[alphaomegas]

Originally Posted by Tim

Don't feed the troll.

anit no troll speak the truth we all got opionion dont like it then let me hear yours.

marvel been junk before covid and it will go back to that prices soon enough. Greater fool theory.... people don't like to sell at a lost so they will hold it till end of days.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by alphaomegas

anit no troll speak the truth we all got opionion dont like it then let me hear yours.

marvel been junk before covid and it will go back to that prices soon enough. Greater fool theory.... people don't like to sell at a lost so they will hold it till end of days.

No, I’m disagreeing with this lol. Marvel being ‘junk’ before Covid. As someone who has collected/sold Marvel long before Covid, I will say it’s always been one of the strongest brands in Nonsports, with a large following. And in terms of Marvel art cards this is without the autographs that give many other Nonsport brands their value (yes there are artist/comic book writer autos, but this has never been the focus of marvel art cards, it’s the art).

Compare random 90s nonsport releases like fantasy sets of Vallejo/Hildebrandt or Jim Lee Wildcats etc to Marvel 90s sets, and the 90s Marvel always had the biggest market/popularity (and I’m not putting the other sets down, I like those fantasy cards, but just stating a fact which has the largest market/value). Newer marvel sets also always have/had a large collector base.

As for the deflation of prices, I have said I think the multiple tens of thousand dollar cards (talking about high end PMGs) will be hit the hardest and come back to reality- many already have- but good luck if you think these cards are going back to prices from like 5 years ago. They’re not going to. There seems to be a new baseline and it’s much higher. I continue to be outbid trying to obtain a bronze PMG /199 of 2017 FUSM Miles Morales #MM50, the most recent one going for over $400, which it seems to routinely go for (why didn’t that card crash down to like $10?). This is just one data point, there are countless.

[alphaomegas]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

No, I’m disagreeing with this lol. Marvel being ‘junk’ before Covid. As someone who has collected/sold Marvel long before Covid, I will say it’s always been one of the strongest brands in Nonsports, with a large following. And in terms of Marvel art cards this is without the autographs that give many other Nonsport brands their value (yes there are artist/comic book writer autos, but this has never been the focus of marvel art cards, it’s the art).

Compare random 90s nonsport releases like fantasy sets of Vallejo/Hildebrandt or Jim Lee Wildcats etc to Marvel 90s sets, and the 90s Marvel always had the biggest market/popularity (and I’m not putting the other sets down, I like those fantasy cards, but just stating a fact which has the largest market/value). Newer marvel sets also always have/had a large collector base.

As for the deflation of prices, I have said I think the multiple tens of thousand dollar cards (talking about high end PMGs) will be hit the hardest and come back to reality- many already have- but good luck if you think these cards are going back to prices from like 5 years ago. They’re not going to. There seems to be a new baseline and it’s much higher. I continue to be outbid trying to obtain a bronze PMG /199 of 2017 FUSM Miles Morales #MM50, the most recent one going for over $400, which it seems to routinely go for (why didn’t that card crash down to like $10?). This is just one data point, there are countless.

time will tell wont it...keep catching that falling knife

[oldgoldy97]

Oh, IM. Love the new persona.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by alphaomegas

anit no troll speak the truth we all got opionion dont like it then let me hear yours.

marvel been junk before covid and it will go back to that prices soon enough. Greater fool theory.... people don't like to sell at a lost so they will hold it till end of days.

Its an opinion, not a fact or the truth.

You dont know anything about anything.

Go buy some more FB prizm retail so you can make a few bucks.

[marinocollector]

Originally Posted by alphaomegas

anit no troll speak the truth we all got opionion dont like it then let me hear yours.

marvel been junk before covid and it will go back to that prices soon enough. Greater fool theory.... people don't like to sell at a lost so they will hold it till end of days.

Originally Posted by alphaomegas

time will tell wont it...keep catching that falling knife

As someone who collected well before the rise, I have to say your opinion is baseless and 100% wrong. Not only are there more people collecting and interested and talking about Marvel cards than ever before, but cards are continually selling for a lot more. I remember thinking it was criminal that a Deadpool /15 from a $200 pack product could be had for $30-40, but that's the way it was.
There's no chance the market drops to those levels again. There's too much new enthusiasm. Add in that there really isnt a lot of Marvel cards either. Just a perfect storm

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by alphaomegas

time will tell wont it...keep catching that falling knife

I mean with the things I collect, such as MM sets, Im not collecting to make a profit or uber-focused on value. With other Marvel cards, I have made money from selling here and there, not hard to if you know roughly what you're doing and with the high prices going on (yes, they are still going on). Although unfortunately I didnt preorder any Spidey metal, if you got into that at the low base price, you be making bank by holding and selling, for example. If this is what 'catching a falling knife' means, I guess I dont get it. I personally dont buy $5k+ pmgs etc to hold, if thats what you mean.

[dd316]

Originally Posted by alphaomegas

Don’t worry guys marvel cards be printed every year until the end of days. Same old characters over and over again. Reason I see marvel being a fad and phase pump and dump. There be good cards like anything else but most Americans live paycheck to paycheck so not much money going around especially when card companies siphon money from hobby by selling inlafted boxs at high price and also selling fake junk epacks

Yeah, Marvel's a 70-year-old fad.

The Marvel brand is bigger than ever. Cards are selling at the highest levels in history, and while "most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck", there's clearly a high-end market for the other Americans - and also those outside the US.

It'll level out some, but to think it's going away anytime soon is ridiculous.

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by dd316

Yeah, Marvel's a 70-year-old fad.

The Marvel brand is bigger than ever. Cards are selling at the highest levels in history, and while "most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck", there's clearly a high-end market for the other Americans - and also those outside the US.

It'll level out some, but to think it's going away anytime soon is ridiculous.

lmfao......... the bolded made me laugh much harder than it should have

The below isn't for you, just me giving my comment for the thread

Marvel is no different than any other collectible market.... where rarity meets popularity, we will see steady gains on average forever....... not many sets/characters/items really fall into this classification..... but those who can locate and buy the ones that do; they have it made. Millionaires were made from the late 00's through 2019 in the 90's sports insert space.... and the values of that stuff is still incredible after peaks and valleys of the past 3 years..... those who find the right niche in the modern marvel market will be rewarded at some point financially later on......... 99 percent of the stuff isn't it...... but someone like dyna-etch gets it

[webjon]

In the early 2000s Marvel wasn't doing very well.

The Iron Man movie made a huge difference.

Most of the 'higher end' (to me that's $100+) art/comic based Marvel cards that I've been following have lost significant value in the last few months.

Sure some segments of Marvel cards are still doing well, but other segments are not.

[jjcan]

Originally Posted by webjon

In the early 2000s Marvel wasn't doing very well.

The Iron Man movie made a huge difference.

Most of the 'higher end' (to me that's $100+) art/comic based Marvel cards that I've been following have lost significant value in the last few months.

Sure some segments of Marvel cards are still doing well, but other segments are not.

The same can be said of Magic, Pokemon cards in the mid 2000's, and amazingly they are ALL still here regardless of High and Low Low pricing drops through the last 3 years especially.

Marvel cards are doing fine, and Star Wars right behind it.

I wish all of the other brands of TV shows, movies and old Comic Images, Impels, Rittenhouse, UD, Inkworks could say the same. All brands for sure are not created equal.

[webjon]

I am not familiar with any entertainment cards outside of Marvel that have seen prices spike ~20 fold, then lose 80% of their value in the span of months.

Can anyone identify any other entertainment cards that has happened -- I'm sincerely interested.

I'm specifically looking for entertainment cards -- not gaming cards, comics, sports cards, etc.

[glorbgorb]

Besides Marvel, Star Wars is really the only non-sports property that has constantly put out card sets over the last couple of years. Aside from the original few series, you don't see headline-worthy auctions at the places like Heritage or Classic, and no Aoki-like personality snatching up rare graded cards and posting on social media.

Edit: I haven't kept up with the Gary Vee-related releases. I can't imagine they have retained value, but they were high out of the gate, so not really the same.

[Brobocop]

Honestly, I'm still amazed that I can offload base 2013 Retro cards for $30-$40 a clip. I've sold several for over $100. I might have missed the boat and sold a bit too late but I feel like a year or two ago, these cards were basically worthless.

[marinocollector]

Originally Posted by webjon

I am not familiar with any entertainment cards outside of Marvel that have seen prices spike ~20 fold, then lose 80% of their value in the span of months.

Can anyone identify any other entertainment cards that has happened -- I'm sincerely interested.

I'm specifically looking for entertainment cards -- not gaming cards, comics, sports cards, etc.

I don't think you will. I know Harry Potter items are going insane. But I have not seen much dip, but those items are much more limited.

The big thing about Marvel though, in my opinion, is that the biggest gains were with cards that have sports card backgrounds. No other entertainment brand has that kind of card branding to back it as well. Topps Star Wars had some Refractors and such going strong, but I do no know spike versus drop. And the Chrome brand, although strong, isnt PMG strong.

Topps Chrome Pokemon which is more entertainment than TCG based, has had huge spikes, and some drop off. I don't think 80%.

[Kobefan]

Originally Posted by jjcan

The same can be said of Magic, Pokemon cards in the mid 2000's, and amazingly they are ALL still here regardless of High and Low Low pricing drops through the last 3 years especially.

Marvel cards are doing fine, and Star Wars right behind it.

I wish all of the other brands of TV shows, movies and old Comic Images, Impels, Rittenhouse, UD, Inkworks could say the same. All brands for sure are not created equal.

Um, I'm not very familiar with the other hobbies, but are you sure about Magic? I was very active in Mtg in the 2000s and I don't recall its popularity declining during that period.

[SoccerRCs]

Man… marvel has just absolutely crash and burned. People being carried out on stretchers. Any guesses on where we go from here?

Looking for thoughtful comments, not just “We rebound” or “Nothing but down.”

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by SoccerRCs

Man… marvel has just absolutely crash and burned. People being carried out on stretchers. Any guesses on where we go from here?

Looking for thoughtful comments, not just “We rebound” or “Nothing but down.”

Lol… I think people will respond how they want.

Beyond the overall declining economy, One of the big issues this year with Marvel cards is only one set released in hobby so far this year and that was in the second week of January.

Looks like MUSM drops 8/10 so that will be a good barometer if Marvel cards can get hot again. I mean look at how well Star Wars Chrome Sapphire has done. Box prices for that 4x’d in like 2 weeks. There are still people throwing money at cards… Upper Deck just needs to do a better job of putting Marvel cards out.

[webjon]

What is dropping now? I stopped looking it was too depressing.

[oldgoldy97]

Remember all those bursting bubble threads?

[newhobbygeek]

Originally Posted by SoccerRCs

Man… marvel has just absolutely crash and burned. People being carried out on stretchers. Any guesses on where we go from here?

Looking for thoughtful comments, not just “We rebound” or “Nothing but down.”

Overall... I don't think Marvel has absolutely crashed and burned. It might help to apply time based filters to this statement. Also, you can apply sub-categories to Marvel cards or brand/types/character filters.

If anyone wants to add more specifics to, "marvel has just absolutely crash and burned" and change it to "Spider-man card XYZ hit record sales of $XX,XXX in 2021 and now is selling for fraction." I can see how people think things crash and burned. I would be inclined to agree with them short-term on certain cards.

Looking long-term at Marvel card values 10, 5, 3, 2, and 1 years ago isn't everything up? I'm not referring to Spider-man PMG's selling for 80-100K+ a year ago and now for much less. I'm saying look back when a card set actually released. I look at Marvel Black Diamond cards released just couple years ago and not seeing crashing prices.

I'm still buying Marvel MCU cards for various sets and collections but not seeing crashing prices. I wish things would crash so I could afford to fill some collection holes. However, most collectors seem to be holding onto cards or listing them for high prices. A $1000 got me a lot of Marvel cards in 2018, but today not as much. Trading is one tool I've been trying to leverage more to help neutralize price increases.

Ignore value though. Do you think 'marvel card hobby' or 'number of marvel card collectors' is up or down? Apply long-term and short-term filter to those?

I cannot completely answer because I didn't observe the hobby ten years ago. I started collecting Star Wars/Marvel(MCU) cards around Summer 2018... this is around when Infinity War card set was released. Short-term from when I joined ePack and here, it looks to me more people collect Marvel MCU cards since then, but I cannot speak for 10 years ago. Interest in Marvel comic sets definitely seem to be up. Another way to ask my question: Has the number of individuals in the Marvel card collecting hobby grown or shrunk?

Where do we go from here... Eventually a ton of Marvel Comic and MCU sets will be released. I'm super excited for new sets with Marvel MCU Phase 4 content. I'm still concerned about not being able to afford breaking new sealed products. I'm not really interested in Marvel Spider-man metal. I am interested in Fleer Ultra Avengers, but I think price point of available pre-orders is to high for me. I'll wait to see where box prices end up once released hobby or epack.

Couple things I want to happen in hobby:

1. I'm probably in the minority, but I want Marvel card values to crash more. I would like to see value of the dollar/purchase-power increase. Singles and boxes prices keep increasing at levels higher than inflation.

2. Another option I would be happy with, I want Upper Deck to increase print runs and/or release Marvel Comic and MCU card sets at the same time. Somehow I want to see new sealed box prices come down. Supply needs to start matching demand.

Few things I don't want happen:

1. I don't want things in Marvel card hobby to crash so badly that Upper Deck doesn't make Marvel cards. This runs counter to open flood gate/print run and value drop comments above, so definitely a hard problem. However, I must say BOGO sales on epack were a blast few years ago!

2. I don't want to see collectors leave hobby because they get priced out new products.

3. I don't want to see watered down products. This could be result of increased print runs. I bought bunch Thor Dark World MCU hobby boxes prior to Marvel hobby taking off during COVID. Those had several hits in them. Usually got couple plexi-cards, couple movie relics, and maybe an actor or comic auto or sketch. However, look at Spider-man: Far From Home.. SMFFH you basically got a auto, sketch or one single plexi-diecut card... meh. Upper Deck Infinity war was great set too. IW had ton chase inserts available. It will be interesting in future to see how UD handles this and balances quality v. quantity v. increased license/production costs.