First Buzz: 2023 Topps Series 1 baseball cards

[base set]

Originally Posted by RaceDog

I broke 3 boxes of Hobby ordered before seeing pack odds and I regret that decision immensely. Most boring 3 box break

The Positives:
Well, just 1....2 #'d Autos out of 3 boxes

The Negatives:
Only 1 gold /2023 of a common
Only 3 additional #'d card 1 of which was an insert - non insert /299 and /300 and insert /75
1 #'d Silver Pack card
Autos of No Names
7 Common Rainbow Foils
Most packs contained just base cards

3 Hobby Boxes - 1 Gold. Wow.

I hit 3 foils in just 6 hobby packs. Never buy a car built on Monday or Friday.

[oldgoldy97]

Greatest 2023 Topps series 1 set of all time!

[UCCF]

Originally Posted by base set

3 Hobby Boxes - 1 Gold. Wow.

I hit 3 foils in just 6 hobby packs. Never buy a car built on Monday or Friday.

I opened a hobby case. In terms of parallels:

2 Independence Day /76
2 red foil /199
5 orange foil /299
1 green foil /499
8 gold /2023
28 rainbow foils

And that was it.

[GrangerCollectr]

Did 2 Jumbo boxes today....hit two SSP in one box (Jordan Montgomery was the other along with the Abrams).

[Jolten Joe]

At least one of the big online sellers appears to be sold out of regular hobby cases but restocked Jumbo Cases at $1399

[ThoseBackPages]

i could see them raising the price

[worldtravel00]

Originally Posted by RaceDog

I broke 3 boxes of Hobby ordered before seeing pack odds and I regret that decision immensely. Most boring 3 box break

The Positives:
Well, just 1....2 #'d Autos out of 3 boxes

The Negatives:
Only 1 gold /2023 of a common
Only 3 additional #'d card 1 of which was an insert - non insert /299 and /300 and insert /75
1 #'d Silver Pack card
Autos of No Names
7 Common Rainbow Foils
Most packs contained just base cards

I am not bummed because of the No Name Autos....It was great getting auto in 2 out of 3 cases even if they are no names since I really don't buy Flagship for autos. VERY bummed because of the lack of anything but base cards when it seems like Jumbo boxes are loaded with color.

STAY AWAY FROM HOBBY - Buy only JUMBO

That is a lot better than my 3 hobby boxes.

1 Gold - no name
1 Green - no name
2 autos - no name
1 SSP - no name

Best cards out of these boxes were 2 1988 Chrome J Rodriguez cards other than no name SSP.

[RaceDog]

Originally Posted by worldtravel00

That is a lot better than my 3 hobby boxes.

1 Gold - no name
1 Green - no name
2 autos - no name
1 SSP - no name

Best cards out of these boxes were 2 1988 Chrome J Rodriguez cards other than no name SSP.

Ouch...Say NO to Hobby boxes!

[glassofwater]

Is it me are people making a mistake using auction on the ssp? I saw some sell for less than 20?

[Archimedes]

Originally Posted by GrangerCollectr

Did 2 Jumbo boxes today....hit two SSP in one box (Jordan Montgomery was the other along with the Abrams).

I like that you put the Ryan redemption in a one touch.

[Fanatics2026]

Do you think we’ll see 2023 series 1 jumbos get as high as 2022 update jumbos about 275-300 consistently?

[eldustino]

My Jumbo case has been strong, will post more hits later, but, multiple SSPs, a Home Field Advantage (the one I would have bought anyway), decent or good autos, and this Lumber Trout card. I'm on the last box and have no complaints and wish I had bought a second instead of a Hobby case in addition.

I know this isn't the trade forum, but if anyone hits the Mookie Betts lumber card, I'd trade this straight up and smile about it.

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by Fanatics2026

Do you think we’ll see 2023 series 1 jumbos get as high as 2022 update jumbos about 275-300 consistently?

Probably cause even at $275, the parallels are still cheaper than the other formats. Topps really messed this one up.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by glassofwater

Is it me are people making a mistake using auction on the ssp? I saw some sell for less than 20?

Honestly they should settle around $5-$10 for commons. There are twice as many as the black borders. I think the newness of them is what is causing them to sell for so much, not the rarity.

[ObanMontecristo]

Originally Posted by Fanatics2026

Do you think we’ll see 2023 series 1 jumbos get as high as 2022 update jumbos about 275-300 consistently?

I think it depends on the quality of the rookie class. Both releases had a good number of significant rookies, but IMO, the ones in ‘22 Update are probably better/stronger, so I don’t think ‘23 Series 1 jumbos are going to reach the same level as ‘22 Update. But I guess we’ll see after the initial novelty wears off and the players play…

[Jolten Joe]

after the 1/1's of the big 3-4 Rc's are pulled this product should nose dive fast. Harris '88 Super has been pulled already that I know of. It seems like this product has been out forever already because the massive amount that's been busted in just what a day and a half so far ? I think 2nd week in mark most of the bigger stuff should get pulled.

[Stech36]

Originally Posted by Jolten Joe

after the 1/1's of the big 3-4 Rc's are pulled this product should nose dive fast. Harris '88 Super has been pulled already that I know of. It seems like this product has been out forever already because the massive amount that's been busted in just what a day and a half so far ? I think 2nd week in mark most of the bigger stuff should get pulled.

I see this kind of thing mentioned fairly often.

Do people actually bust series 1 thinking they have any remote chance at the platinum 1/1 of one of the big names?

I’ve opened 50-100 cases of flagship over the last 6 years. I hit exactly 1 platinum base 1/1. They’re so rare that they’re practically impossible. Better to put your money in a slot machine and hope for the jackpot.

[jduds]

Originally Posted by Stech36

I see this kind of thing mentioned fairly often.

Do people actually bust series 1 thinking they have any remote chance at the platinum 1/1 of one of the big names?

I’ve opened 50-100 cases of flagship over the last 6 years. I hit exactly 1 platinum base 1/1. They’re so rare that they’re practically impossible. Better to put your money in a slot machine and hope for the jackpot.

That kind of concern I think might matter for something like Flawless, but I don't think it enters into the equation at all for Flagship.

[Jolten Joe]

Originally Posted by Stech36

I see this kind of thing mentioned fairly often.

Do people actually bust series 1 thinking they have any remote chance at the platinum 1/1 of one of the big names?

I’ve opened 50-100 cases of flagship over the last 6 years. I hit exactly 1 platinum base 1/1. They’re so rare that they’re practically impossible. Better to put your money in a slot machine and hope for the jackpot.

Those that aren't buying just to collect a personal hand collated set what other reason would you buy a product but for a chance to hit something big ? It's the gamblers mentality of thinking the next pack is "THE BIG ONE". Most of the big hits come from breaker cases/boxes because those guys just rip massive quantities. They could care less because most of their product is already paid for before it gets opened from idiots paying $100+ a spot for the 2 or 3 big teams from that year.

[Stech36]

Originally Posted by jduds

That kind of concern I think might matter for something like Flawless, but I don't think it enters into the equation at all for Flagship.

That was my thought as well

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by Jolten Joe

after the 1/1's of the big 3-4 Rc's are pulled this product should nose dive fast. Harris '88 Super has been pulled already that I know of. It seems like this product has been out forever already because the massive amount that's been busted in just what a day and a half so far ? I think 2nd week in mark most of the bigger stuff should get pulled.

There are no cards that can be pulled in Series 1 that will have a direct effect on sealed prices. I understand the logic behind thinking differently, but it just isn't that way. Not a single time in history has anyone every muttered the words "I was going to buy some Series 1 baseball, but I saw someone pulled the 1/1 auto of the top rookie, so I'm out now".

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by Jolten Joe

Those that aren't buying just to collect a personal hand collated set what other reason would you buy a product but for a chance to hit something big ? It's the gamblers mentality of thinking the next pack is "THE BIG ONE". Most of the big hits come from breaker cases/boxes because those guys just rip massive quantities. They could care less because most of their product is already paid for before it gets opened from idiots paying $100+ a spot for the 2 or 3 big teams from that year.

But this just isn't a product where "something big" is limited to the handful of extremely hard to pull 1/1s. The camos of the big name rookies are "something big" and for that matter to some extent so are both the /50s, and the /72s, and the /76s - not to mention the clear /10s. A bunch of those low-numbered parallels of big name vets are also "something big" as there are SO MANY flagship collectors, people building an all-years run of their favorite player(s), etc. The autos of the big name rookies (and again, even some vets) are "something big."

There's just so much to chase in flagship (especially a series with so many good rookies) that people don't get scared off by seeing those few top-of-the-pile cards get pulled.

[eldustino]

Originally Posted by glassofwater

Is it me are people making a mistake using auction on the ssp? I saw some sell for less than 20?

Mistake?

I'd rather have $19 cash than a listing out there at $40 that will never sell.

Velocity of cash is a thing! And I'm willing to help establish the "real" market value of the fairly-common "SSPs" so that the couple of scrubs I want to acquire, don't sit at $80 BIN forever when it's a $12 card.

[ObanMontecristo]

Originally Posted by zworykin

But this just isn't a product where "something big" is limited to the handful of extremely hard to pull 1/1s. The camos of the big name rookies are "something big" and for that matter to some extent so are both the /50s, and the /72s, and the /76s - not to mention the clear /10s. A bunch of those low-numbered parallels of big name vets are also "something big" as there are SO MANY flagship collectors, people building an all-years run of their favorite player(s), etc. The autos of the big name rookies (and again, even some vets) are "something big."

There's just so much to chase in flagship (especially a series with so many good rookies) that people don't get scared off by seeing those few top-of-the-pile cards get pulled.

exactly right. I got a case of jumbo and hit an Adley ‘88 black auto /199 (among other things)- it’s cool to have and I’m gonna stick it in my collection. I also like having several base RCs around, or an occasional parallel I might hit- I sold off my base RCs of Trout, Harper, Betts, Judge years ago and later regretted it- so I’m hanging onto guys like Soto, Acuna, Ohtani, Vlad Jr, Julio, etc.

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by Fanatics2026

Do you think we’ll see 2023 series 1 jumbos get as high as 2022 update jumbos about 275-300 consistently?

2022 update jumbo is brutal buy at that price

With that being said because of FOMO and so many young collectors in hobby

I say yes series 1. With 700 thousand of each base card will get to 250-300 a box