2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Racism is defined as the "belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race". What you say may be true but to generalize that all African Americans do that would actually be racist. Your experience can influence racism.

I agree with your definition.
Ironically, isn't that kind of what's happening to LEO'S at this time? Painting an entire group of people by the actions of a few.
Some have said even the cops who don't do racist things are wrong because they don't stop their fellow officer(s) from doing them.
Shouldn't that standard apply to everyone?
We've all heard the phrase "snitches get stitches".
Obviously we hold LEO'S to a higher standard, and we should, but to ignore the fact that the general population's standards have lowered considerably over the years isn't right either.


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[NeedChapmans]

WTF is this (#*!?

https://twitter.com/ScottGordonNBC5/...34539158962176

Can my kids PLEASE go back to school now?

[Onions]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

It's too late and I am too tired (he said before replying). I will fight anyone to the death that believes that the system is racist. To my knowledge, there is no law, no system, no "thing" that creates racism in this country ... EXCEPT for Harvard (LOL).

People are racist. Ideas are racist but the second you start coming to me and telling me that the reason for xyz is the system and not the individual, you'll lose me. You can find racism most everywhere; I have no doubt that there are still many many Americans who think their skin makes them more valuable than others.

But that doesn't mean this country rewards it, caters to it or condones it. People have to be accountable for their actions. Bottom line. It's the not the system, it's you. And the more you blame the system, the more dependent you become to it.

Agreed.

Barack Obama was elected POTUS twice. There never will be a day that we can declare racism dead, but it is not widespread, institutionalized, systemic, or whatever many would have us believe.

Your last sentence illustrates exactly our current problem. We have an entire political party convincing struggling minorities that they are not successful because they are victims of society. Once you convince someone that they are a victim and have no control over their success, you have removed their incentive to even try. It's disgusting to watch.

[mnvikingstwins]

Is there a stronger component to systemic racism / inequity of outcomes than the black vs white vs others nuclear family structure? Sure the "school to prison" pipeline, targeted drug arrests, and poverty but I think the fixing overwhelming differences of single parents and kids out of wedlock would be the most significant thing to fix

[mnvikingstwins]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

WTF is this (#*!?

https://twitter.com/ScottGordonNBC5/...34539158962176

Can my kids PLEASE go back to school now?

Coronavirus better vanish from the news in a week or two unless the hospital systems are completely overwhelmed. At least we're getting a great head start on herd immunity exposure

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

WTF is this (#*!?

https://twitter.com/ScottGordonNBC5/...34539158962176

Can my kids PLEASE go back to school now?

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

Coronavirus better vanish from the news in a week or two unless the hospital systems are completely overwhelmed. At least we're getting a great head start on herd immunity exposure

Somebody get Heel and Verlander in here. I want all of those people arrested for assault and imprisoned for years. What terrible human beings they are; probably going home right now to Mom and Dad. Death merchants.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Jazzer540

At this point, there is no proof The officer did it because of racism. I have been curious to know all the other accounts against him if they were all towards minorities. They haven’t released that information. If it was he had several complaints about him but we’re equal of race.... well then, he was just a crappy cop and it wasn’t necessarily racism. I wonder why they haven’t released that info?

Yeah, I was thinking of his complaints as well. I think it was 18. But it was over I think 17 years. Were the complainees all or predominantly black? How does that match up with arrest statistics? His department's? Chauvin obviously mistreated Floyd. We know this. And mistreated is an understatement. He probably killed him. But after that, what do we know for sure?

I'm sure some people will think this is a defense of Chauvin, but it's not. But the worst case scenario would be that the facts down the line don't match up with what we've been told now. Just some food for thought.

[Alvarez09]

Here is what makes me very angry about all of this. Literally forever, we hear the pro second amendment crowd screaming that we can't have gun regulation, and that they need their guns to protect themselves from an oppressive government. Then, when we see that oppressive government in action over and over again, where are they? Why aren't they ever alongside the black lives matter protests as more and more people are murdered by the police? Why are they not enraged at a peaceful protest being tear gassed because the president wanted a photo op? Why aren't they enraged that Trump is threatening use of the military on US citizens?

I hope people remember this going forward when we hear excuses as to why there can't be more gun laws.

[Jazzer540]

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

Is there a stronger component to systemic racism / inequity of outcomes than the black vs white vs others nuclear family structure? Sure the "school to prison" pipeline, targeted drug arrests, and poverty but I think the fixing overwhelming differences of single parents and kids out of wedlock would be the most significant thing to fix

It is definitely where kids and young adults get their ideals. I heard a speaker say that we do not need politicians to address this situation going on, we need rappers to do something productive because this generation gets a lot of ideals off rappers saying *$&$ the police, take whatever you can, money is everything, etc.

If 1 rapper who did time in jail was to actually admit, yes, I should have been arrested for doing xyz... it would go a long way

[mnvikingstwins]

Originally Posted by Jazzer540

It is definitely where kids and young adults get their ideals. I heard a speaker say that we do not need politicians to address this situation going on, we need rappers to do something productive because this generation gets a lot of ideals off rappers saying *$&$ the police, take whatever you can, money is everything, etc.

If 1 rapper who did time in jail was to actually admit, yes, I should have been arrested for doing xyz... it would go a long way

Yep, was going to add as edit but can quote here. The fact that rappers can be a replacement learning what fathers can teach has just gotten out of control.


If there's a campaign from Obama, Samuel Jackson, Michael Jordan and idk throw in whichever other respected black voices (not activists like Jesse Jackson) targeted directly at estranged black fathers to reunite with their families, that'd do more than anything Trump can say right now.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Then, when we see that oppressive government in action over and over again, where are they?.

The sovereign citizen movement is absolutely there. But the media only mocks them.

Look beyond the headlines.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by rman112

Yeah, I was thinking of his complaints as well. I think it was 18. But it was over I think 17 years. Were the complainees all or predominantly black? How does that match up with arrest statistics? His department's? Chauvin obviously mistreated Floyd. We know this. And mistreated is an understatement. He probably killed him. But after that, what do we know for sure?

I'm sure some people will think this is a defense of Chauvin, but it's not. But the worst case scenario would be that the facts down the line don't match up with what we've been told now. Just some food for thought.

If this was a one off, and not a recurring issue, you would have a point. It is not though...it happens over and over again.

Whether it was driven by racism or not, it happens over and over again and needs to stop.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

WTF is this (#*!?

https://twitter.com/ScottGordonNBC5/...34539158962176

Can my kids PLEASE go back to school now?

Covid is dead.

Did they go home, though? Props if so.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

The sovereign citizen movement is absolutely there. But the media only mocks them.

Look beyond the headlines.

Where are the people that were protesting COVID at state capitols two weeks ago?

[Jazzer540]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Here is what makes me very angry about all of this. Literally forever, we hear the pro second amendment crowd screaming that we can't have gun regulation, and that they need their guns to protect themselves from an oppressive government. Then, when we see that oppressive government in action over and over again, where are they? Why aren't they ever alongside the black lives matter protests as more and more people are murdered by the police? Why are they not enraged at a peaceful protest being tear gassed because the president wanted a photo op? Why aren't they enraged that Trump is threatening use of the military on US citizens?

I hope people remember this going forward when we hear excuses as to why there can't be more gun laws.

So you think this all would end better if all the thousands of angry citizens being very violent all had a gun right now in the middle of this?

[coltsnsox07]

Dang, lots of folks don't know what a curfew is. Must not have had one growing up. I did, if I missed it I was stuck home for a week. I missed a great show by The Exploited because of it.

[Alvarez09]

Originally Posted by Jazzer540

So you think this all would end better if all the thousands of angry citizens being very violent all had a gun right now in the middle of this?

No, you misunderstand my point. I think those folks that talk this big talk are essentially full of it.

[NeedChapmans]

Looking up and down 5th and 6th avenue right now is amazing. Every other store is smashed in ... empty.

8,000 cops out and about says Bill; and the kids owned the streets. Incredible.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Where are the people that were protesting COVID at state capitols two weeks ago?

Home, with their families.

[mnvikingstwins]

It's also something that the celebrities that talk about all the "amplifying voices" can go after. There's been a reshared thing that white people should reconsider if posting food or beach photos right now that take up valuable space on the internet that could be used by peaceful protesters now. Once this is all over, stop amplifying and increasing platforms for idiots like S6xN9ne and whatever other awful rappers there are who just rant about f*** Trump and cops, start promoting people like Lecrae or others that have useful unifying messages.

[Coach Ditka]

It's sad that the United States of America is really just the States of America.
99%+ of police are good & 99%+ of the protesters have good intentions but yet 99% of the coverage now is about the bad cops that should be in jail along with the lunatics destroying stores & neighborhoods.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

Where are the people that were protesting COVID at state capitols two weeks ago?

Most of them are back at work at the jobs they were protesting to return to so that they could support their families.

They stated all of this upfront despite the media's attempt to paint them as "Karens" who only wanted "hair cuts and rounds of golf."

Again, look beyond the headlines.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

No, you misunderstand my point. I think those folks that talk this big talk are essentially full of it.

No, most of those folks are not sided politically with what you're thinking they should do.
If their ideology was under attack you would see them.
Not saying that's right or wrong, just the way it is.

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[rman112]

Originally Posted by Alvarez09

If this was a one off, and not a recurring issue, you would have a point. It is not though...it happens over and over again.

Whether it was driven by racism or not, it happens over and over again and needs to stop.

I'm talking about Chauvin and Floyd specifically. I don't anyone disagrees that police brutality is bad. But they worked together at a club. We don't know that parts of a personal relationship didn't factor in.

[mnvikingstwins]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Looking up and down 5th and 6th avenue right now is amazing. Every other store is smashed in ... empty.

8,000 cops out and about says Bill; and the kids owned the streets. Incredible.

It was great seeing Fox News having its (clueless) reporter on the street of Macy's, the geniuses knocked out just the front through the boarded up windows so that they locked themselves in for cops to go in and arrest at least 3 of them