Logan Paul’s $3.5 Million ‘Base Set’ Case May Be Fake

[webersfsc]

Originally Posted by mc1

King Pokemon had some not so kind words about BBCE. Clearly hes not impressed by their expertise.

I don't understand why BBCE got into gaming period. I have no doubt in my mind that he knows how to authenticate old SPORTS wax boxes.

[mindcycle]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

So what's the verdict? I would think if it was real, they would all be circle jerking on LIVE camera right now. Must be figuring out the story they want to tell, right now.

Yep. Cardporn on IG posted that he spoke to the "boss man" (Shyne i'm guessing) and confirmed it was opened and checked but the outcome has not been released.

In other words, 99% chance it's fake. If it was real those guys would be posting pics of the contents alongside stacks of $100's as is the code for social media narcissism these days.

[Allamericancard]

Originally Posted by mindcycle

Yep. Cardporn on IG posted that he spoke to the "boss man" (Shyne i'm guessing) and confirmed it was opened and checked but the outcome has not been released.

In other words, 99% chance it's fake. If it was real those guys would be posting pics of the contents alongside stacks of $100's as is the code for social media narcissism these days.

yeah I think the more time that passes, the more that it's fake

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by mindcycle

Yep. Cardporn on IG posted that he spoke to the "boss man" (Shyne i'm guessing) and confirmed it was opened and checked but the outcome has not been released.

In other words, 99% chance it's fake. If it was real those guys would be posting pics of the contents alongside stacks of $100's as is the code for social media narcissism these days.

I also noticed that one of the outed scammers commented on rattle's recent IG posts, asking him to check your DM's. Will be interesting to see if that conversation makes the next video, once the results of the second BBCE review are made public.

[Kobe101]

Originally Posted by mindcycle

Yep. Cardporn on IG posted that he spoke to the "boss man" (Shyne i'm guessing) and confirmed it was opened and checked but the outcome has not been released.

In other words, 99.99% chance it's fake. If it was real those guys would be posting pics of the contents alongside stacks of $100's as is the code for social media narcissism these days.

I am thinking they are figuring out how to unwind the deals before they say anything.

If they can just immediately refund Shyne they will make a statement saying they all got scammed and everyone was made whole.

If those two bosses can't pay the boss man back it could get interesting.

Anyone know what Shyne does? Is he one Chapos kids or something?

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by Allamericancard

yeah I think the more time that passes, the more that it's fake

If it was real, all the sketchy parties would have released information saying how they were correct, and Rattle is a moron. This case is now 100% not what it was sold as. As a scientist I don't like to say 100%, but that is now the result. Money compensation is now being worked out and we may never find out the results. BBCE may even give compensation to the parties to not release the information. Anyone involved in this, besides Logan Paul, does not want this information released. Logan Paul could make money off of this with social media, but he would be stupid to do so until the money is returned to him.

[KhalDrogo]

Scroll to the 7 minute mark. Great examples of what the product labels should look like on these cases after 20+ years.

[messier2]

I think right now all parties involved are talking:

1. Money going back the other way...best course of action.

2. Getting the lawyers and PR people involved. The goal is to make everyone look as "best" as possible once the case is revealed as "not what is supposed to be inside". This is very delicate as it can't be just a "oh snap, it's not 1st edition boxes, oh well, my bad!". It's more complicated than that!

Should be fun to see what the explanation is!

[pip]

Originally Posted by webersfsc

I don't understand why BBCE got into gaming period. I have no doubt in my mind that he knows how to authenticate old SPORTS wax boxes.

To what degree of accuracy? 50? 75% 90%

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by webersfsc

I don't understand why BBCE got into gaming period. I have no doubt in my mind that he knows how to authenticate old SPORTS wax boxes.

Based on what though? This shows that he isn’t good at what he does, which is authenticate sealed product. He failed on a 3.5 million dollar item. If he isn’t doing his due diligence with something this big, you trust all of the much lesser dollar items?

[gameissued]

To be fair I believe the acquisition cost at the time was only $75k ish.. still a large amount. The $3.5M figure never came into play until way afterwards.

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

Based on what though? This shows that he isn’t good at what he does, which is authenticate sealed product. He failed on a 3.5 million dollar item. If he isn’t doing his due diligence with something this big, you trust all of the much lesser dollar items?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by gameissued

To be fair I believe the acquisition cost at the time was only $75k ish.. still a large amount. The $3.5M figure never came into play until way afterwards.

The acquisition cost was that low because it is FAKE. Steve thought it was real. Booster boxes were in the $300-400k range at that time. A legitimate sealed case absolutely would have been in the $3M+ range at that time. If meelypoops and turdhuna told Steve it was a $100k item, and Steve didn’t know any better, that’s makes this even worse.

[PensChronicles]

Originally Posted by gameissued

To be fair I believe the acquisition cost at the time was only $75k ish.. still a large amount. The $3.5M figure never came into play until way afterwards.

How long, exactly, would you expect any authenticator to spend with an item valued at $75,000?

Based on the video, it appeared that BBCE spent about an afternoon or so - probably less given the time crunch that Jameel and Jacob appeared to be under in their own published videos.

It’s clear that it was complete amateur hour from Jameel, Jacob and Steve Hart (BBCE) throughout this entire process.

[pip]

Originally Posted by gameissued

To be fair I believe the acquisition cost at the time was only $75k ish.. still a large amount. The $3.5M figure never came into play until way afterwards.

Doesn't matter. The value of single boxes, if authentic, is pretty well established ($350k to $430k) given the average of 12 holos per and a roughly 54% chance of pulling a charizard holo.

[pip]

Originally Posted by PensChronicles

How long, exactly, would you expect any authenticator to spend with an item valued at $75,000?

Based on the video, it appeared that BBCE spent about an afternoon or so - probably less given the time crunch that Jameel and Jacob appeared to be under in their own published videos.

It’s clear that it was complete amateur hour from Jameel, Jacob and Steve Hart (BBCE) throughout this entire process.

Like an episode of the three stooges.

[KhalDrogo]

Gary is over on E4 singing Rattle’s praises. So even though we already know, here’s another piece for the doubters until we get the reveal.

[jjcan]

Not that my box is a 1st ed. booster case. This is an inner box of 24 base unlimited blisters. The tag is pretty bold and different from the other cases seen in videos.

Bottom of box just says booster inner.

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[Kobe101]

I wonder how they convinced Rattle to not make another video about it.

[BamBam20]

Originally Posted by Kobe101

I wonder how they convinced Rattle to not make another video about it.

Does anyone know if Rattle has been on any of the forums questioning what happened with the reveal?
If he has been silent then maybe there is going to be a collab with Rattle for the final video? Probably unlikely but would be interesting.

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[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by BamBam20

Does anyone know if Rattle has been on any of the forums questioning what happened with the reveal?
If he has been silent then maybe there is going to be a collab with Rattle for the final video? Probably unlikely but would be interesting.

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A Logan Paul collaboration with Rattle may be in the works. Those two are the only winners from this. Logan will get money refunded and can make money off of social media. All the other people involved in the selling and authentication of this fake case have taken a huge hit in reputation. They all come across as scammers and their expertise in Pokémon is questionable at best.

They knew this case was questionable at best and got it wrapped by BBCE the day they received and flipped it as quickly as possible. Playing hot potato with this case they knew was fake. In this story the only two people I believe is Logan Paul for being gullible and believing Steve Hart knew how to authenticate Pokemon and Rattle for giving the real evidence.

[CanadianKid]

It would be interesting to see Rattle in a LP vid at BCCE only because he doesn't seem like the type who would hop a flight to hang and see the results. And then what, say I told you so to their face? Take a pic with Steves new bike? Stand around and converse with the players he has nailed to the wall for weeks? At most I see a video with him interviewing or being interviewed included in a LP vid but thats about it.

Nah there's no on site teaming up for likes.

[TimBuckTwo]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

They knew this case was questionable at best and got it wrapped by BBCE the day they received and flipped it as quickly as possible. Playing hot potato with this case they knew was fake. In this story the only two people I believe is Logan Paul for being gullible and believing Steve Hart knew how to authenticate Pokemon and Rattle for giving the real evidence.

I agree.

I think the plan was to get it BBCE wrapped to "prove" authenticity to an buyer lacking in knowledge and the BBCE authenticator being unknowledgeable also just helped the cause.

BBCE - We authenticate it is sealed. - Horse crap.

[BobCollects]

Assuming the case is fake, and the truth comes out in full detail, does anyone think this will really have much of an impact on the larger trading card hobby? It seems like anyone with knowledge of Pokémon knew it was fake from the start, so unless this tale gets spread far and wide, it may be quickly forgotten.

[grade]

The only factor that can cause the most damage is if BBCE took a bribe of some sort. The sellers all seemed to be known flipper or scammers already.

Everyone else is just doing what they do. LP social media, Rattle making good vids.

[TimBuckTwo]

Originally Posted by grade

The only factor that can cause the most damage is if BBCE took a bribe of some sort. The sellers all seemed to be known flipper or scammers already.

Everyone else is just doing what they do. LP social media, Rattle making good vids.

BBCE guy seems like a douche.

The other two seem like idiots.