NBA Top Shot - High Risk, High Reward?

[Jamesebee]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Can we all please just take a moment to appreciate the fact a single KCP Finals Layup /33 is worth more than his entire kardboard market cap

For now, Ninja. For now...

I bet he does it again in the '21 Finals! But maybe the Away Uniform variant!

KCP HOF PDQ!

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by rifleman69

You couldn't be further from the truth. He has responded as a normal coherent adult.

My comment has nothing to do with HIS posts there BOPA. Am I being detained? If I am, can you call your supervisor Geechguy?

[grade]

Originally Posted by rifleman69

Pretty sure you put in more than $100. It's ok, monopoly money can be used in online monopoly games...no one will ever know.

Great thing about TS, anyone can actually try it for the price of 2 happy meals. . How can anyone take you guys serious worrying about a few bucks? Before my first post in this thread, there was a bunch of hating to the OP. If you have a strong mind and will, you can make a independent decision going against the flow and say something. Would hate to see a person in trouble needing help if you guys are around. So weak, it is ridiculous.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Jamesebee

For now, Ninja. For now...

I bet he does it again in the '21 Finals! But maybe the Away Uniform variant!

KCP HOF PDQ!

Series 2 Mojo HODLERS be docked front row next to Vegas Dave in the virtual crowd Game 7 gesturing to Pope like:



Yo ass better not shoot that.

[Jamesebee]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Series 2 Mojo HODLERS be docked front row next to Vegas Dave in the virtual crowd Game 7 gesturing to Pope like:



Yo ass better not shoot that.

We're probably not too far away from the NBA softly suggesting to players that, hey, a casual mention of "TopShot baby!" with varying degrees of excitement/profanity are destined for greatness on the platform in the future.

If the NBA came to me and said "These Dapper folks are going to pay you $X to say 'TopShot baby!' with your next garbage can 3-pointer or spin move"... are you kidding? Easy money!

Now if someone sold 20K of those moments for 3-10x what I got (primary)? I'd be irked. Maybe they could reserve #1 for me instead-let me sell it myself...?

I gotta stop giving these ideas out! Nab A Top Shot needs more word of mouth!

[mjwoop]

Originally Posted by grade

Great thing about TS, anyone can actually try it for the price of 2 happy meals. . How can anyone take you guys serious worrying about a few bucks? Before my first post in this thread, there was a bunch of hating to the OP. If you have a strong mind and will, you can make a independent decision going against the flow and say something. Would hate to see a person in trouble needing help if you guys are around. So weak, it is ridiculous.

You're up to 267 BS posts in this thread. Maybe it's time to take a break?

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Jamesebee

We're probably not too far away from the NBA softly suggesting to players that, hey, a casual mention of "TopShot baby!" with varying degrees of excitement/profanity are destined for greatness on the platform in the future.

If the NBA came to me and said "These Dapper folks are going to pay you $X to say 'TopShot baby!' with your next garbage can 3-pointer or spin move"... are you kidding? Easy money!

Now if someone sold 20K of those moments for 3-10x what I got (primary)? I'd be irked. Maybe they could reserve #1 for me instead-let me sell it myself...?

I gotta stop giving these ideas out! Nab A Top Shot needs more word of mouth!

I ain't slapping that full TS vinyl wrap on my '87 Lebaron unless it's cash up front. Mecum auctions hitting Tempe this summer and I just can't risk it. She's my baybay.


Can work out a deal for KYC Dapper Bux on a Riff Raff arm sleeve though. My body is ready.

[grade]

Originally Posted by mjwoop

You're up to 267 BS posts in this thread. Maybe it's time to take a break?

268. Maybe it is time for your break.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by mjwoop

You're up to 267 BS posts in this thread. Maybe it's time to take a break?

Occifer, do you you have probable cause?

[Jamesebee]

Originally Posted by grade

Great thing about TS, anyone can actually try it for the price of 2 happy meals. . How can anyone take you guys serious worrying about a few bucks? Before my first post in this thread, there was a bunch of hating to the OP. If you have a strong mind and will, you can make a independent decision going against the flow and say something. Would hate to see a person in trouble needing help if you guys are around. So weak, it is ridiculous.

My only counter to this is that this hasn't been the case for the past few weeks/drops. I would characterize "actually trying it" as browsing the secondary marketplace for PC players or moments that you like. Or, maybe more directly, checking out Discord to follow the chat there. It might be cheaper for the commons and undesirables, and, no, it doesn't have the same flash and panache as a pack drop does, but it's an experience. This is important: the introduction of bias that stands in the way of furthering the discussion. People are happy they got in early and are profiting, or are upset that they are not even able to buy into a single drop.

Take the most recent/most publicized drop: the $999 packs were closer in price to 300 Happy Meals (side note for the uninitiated: flippers there are trying to corner a mass-produced market like McDonald's toys, the biggest toy distributor in the country, because of Pokémon cards). If that did anything, it further accentuated our biases towards the platform. Maybe some people have changed their mind because of the payment withdrawal scenario. These are all important.

I like advancing the conversation, and I presume many others do. We also need levity, and it extends beyond the hobby, Happy Meals, TopShot, and the individuals debating their opinions. I'm choosing not to support it myself, but I'm happy to continue debating it without necessarily torching the model or its customers/fanbase.

The OP has graciously added new pros and cons (by request, thanks OP!), and until something new or significant emerges about the platform, it'll just be a territorial, defensive struggle to try to convince each other that we're more correct than they are. That doesn't sound like a "happy meal" at all! That's more like the quickly-discontinued Bojangles' "Groovy Gravy & Gruel" Kids Pac. Don't ask me about the toys for that one...

[Jamesebee]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Can work out a deal for KYC Dapper Bux on a Riff Raff arm sleeve though. My body is ready.

[grade]

Originally Posted by Jamesebee

My only counter to this is that this hasn't been the case for the past few weeks/drops. I would characterize "actually trying it" as browsing the secondary marketplace for PC players or moments that you like. Or, maybe more directly, checking out Discord to follow the chat there. It might be cheaper for the commons and undesirables, and, no, it doesn't have the same flash and panache as a pack drop does, but it's an experience. This is important: the introduction of bias that stands in the way of furthering the discussion. People are happy they got in early and are profiting, or are upset that they are not even able to buy into a single drop.

Take the most recent/most publicized drop: the $999 packs were closer in price to 300 Happy Meals (side note for the uninitiated: flippers there are trying to corner a mass-produced market like McDonald's toys, the biggest toy distributor in the country, because of Pokémon cards). If that did anything, it further accentuated our biases towards the platform. Maybe some people have changed their mind because of the payment withdrawal scenario. These are all important.

I like advancing the conversation, and I presume many others do. We also need levity, and it extends beyond the hobby, Happy Meals, TopShot, and the individuals debating their opinions. I'm choosing not to support it myself, but I'm happy to continue debating it without necessarily torching the model or its customers/fanbase.

The OP has graciously added new pros and cons (by request, thanks OP!), and until something new or significant emerges about the platform, it'll just be a territorial, defensive struggle to try to convince each other that we're more correct than they are. That doesn't sound like a "happy meal" at all! That's more like the quickly-discontinued Bojangles' "Groovy Gravy & Gruel" Kids Pac. Don't ask me about the toys for that one...

Like anything in life, things change and to survive change one must make fast and decisive decisions on the fly. My activity on TS has totally changed the last week. Similar to trading "stocks", decisions can change day by day due to changing markets, laws and events. With the current "pack" drop nonsense, i personally been buying "serial" numbers. I actually use TS so can experience what works and does not work. I have sold many strange and not so strange Serial numbered cards for surprising prices. just today i sold a market $3 moment for $33 because the serial number was #3335. Sold $2 commons for $99 because the serial # was #99. I posted some screenshot of Luka with "77" in the serial numbers. there is so much ways to go about collecting and making money on TS. My thinking is that the TS users are more digital and much more number oriented that the cardboard collectors.

Now for your Mcdonald senario, i went to mcdonalds today and bought 2 kids meal to see what all the fuss was about. The Pokemon cards is all the crazy, but decided the cards are too mass produced to be worth the hassles of buying 300 or greasing a district rep for a case of Pokemon cards. The right move is to preorder the next issue of Japanese Pokemon ichigeki and rengeki master wax that may never be released in USA and see how that works out instead of chasing the mcdonalds pokemon that will obviously flood the market ..

As i always been stating, Luck and timing is so important when it comes to success in anything. But i guess i should mention, to be lucky, you need to be prepared to be lucky.

There is much more to luck that i can explain. But most in this thread let luck pass them by, so what is the point?

[BaseGravenberch]

Originally Posted by Jamesebee

I still bristle a bit at three key factors:
-Philanthropy/profit-sharing transparency
-Limited variety and scarcity concerns
-Availability (five 9's)

I feel like the financial situation isn't as pressing (perhaps they'll evaluate their payment platform soon). I also feel like there's a capability to find a set number of highlights a week and get a better curated game plan for release together. Limited by labor availability, most likely.

Marketing is definitely something that could pay off. NBA Media/PR could be more assertive in that regard.

1. They've mentioned auctioning off moments for charity before. They've said part of the sales fees goes to the NBPA.
2. Common packs are not meant to be scarce, the scarcity will be in the rare/legendary drops. Their current focus is to hire more people/get these packs out the right way before making more variety and dropping more packs.
3. Their goal is to always have a pack available, which probably means in the long run they'll flood the market until buying packs isn't guaranteed profit anymore.

The NBA/NBPA gives them the moments on a weekly basis and they can make some requests of their own.

Their current marketing is on hold since January 10 because they want to scale the platform first to be able to handle a new influx of people. There will be player promotions and the NBA will be promoting it once they get out of beta.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by BaseGravenberch

1. They've mentioned auctioning off moments for charity before. They've said part of the sales fees goes to the NBPA.
2. Common packs are not meant to be scarce, the scarcity will be in the rare/legendary drops. Their current focus is to hire more people/get these packs out the right way before making more variety and dropping more packs.
3. Their goal is to always have a pack available, which probably means in the long run they'll flood the market until buying packs isn't guaranteed profit anymore.

The NBA/NBPA gives them the moments on a weekly basis and they can make some requests of their own.

Their current marketing is on hold since January 10 because they want to scale the platform first to be able to handle a new influx of people. There will be player promotions and the NBA will be promoting it once they get out of beta.

So then you work for Topshot?

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

So then you work for Topshot?

Are you going to read him his rights before you start this?

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Are you going to read him his rights before you start this?

Why are you so emotional over this company? You trying to get a job? You want them to sneak you some free back door packs? Simping hardcore for some gifs.

You’re becoming more and more unhinged with each post.

I have nothing against you personally and can tell you’re not a TS plant like these other dudes but you’re trying to fight the whole board and getting nowhere

[brock]

Really really pleased by the Happy meal picture. That really had me laughing. And confirms everything we thought we knew about grade.

What I don't like is how grade has now left me confused. For several days everything was measured in the cost of Pokemon cards. Now it is in Happy meals... but in happy meals that contain Pokemon cards.

What's the exchange ratio there??!



Dear arch angel of mercy... Please also slap me down with a police badge. I have doubted and sinned against the topshot demigods.


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[whodatbeastly16]

I'm sorry, I thought Archangel was going to block all the posters being negative. Guess he doesn't have the willpower to follow through.

[Howie7107]

You know, I’m not going to read all of this non-sense because both sides our kind of out of touch, but the anti-TS side of this just wreaks of sour grapes. Why do you care so much that people probably made money on this? Obviously we’ll see if it becomes accessible in the coming weeks, but I think it’s a fairly safe bet at this point. And hey, even if it’s not, you know that’s cool but it certainly doesn’t do much for you by any means other than get you a big, worthless “I told you so.”

[whodatbeastly16]

Who said "I told you so's" are worthless?

[Jamesebee]

Originally Posted by BaseGravenberch

1. They've mentioned auctioning off moments for charity before. They've said part of the sales fees goes to the NBPA.
2. Common packs are not meant to be scarce, the scarcity will be in the rare/legendary drops. Their current focus is to hire more people/get these packs out the right way before making more variety and dropping more packs.
3. Their goal is to always have a pack available, which probably means in the long run they'll flood the market until buying packs isn't guaranteed profit anymore.

The NBA/NBPA gives them the moments on a weekly basis and they can make some requests of their own.

Their current marketing is on hold since January 10 because they want to scale the platform first to be able to handle a new influx of people. There will be player promotions and the NBA will be promoting it once they get out of beta.

Appreciate the info, thanks for providing.

It kind of makes sense that they get clearance to use moments before creating it. I imagine Series 1 is more like what they hoped to achieve with product differentiation, but naturally, when people flock to the open beta, anything could happen.

Perhaps it will be different and they take our experiences and advice to heart. I believe the next wave of influence will be dictated by measurable results and qualitative research. There's probably a well defined playbook that defines what exactly a "Moment" can and can't be (for vencap clarity). "No longer than 15 seconds, at least 3 camera angles", etc. So it feels weird to debate the variety there.

Will be interesting to hear Kevin Harlan someday say during a game, "Grab your favorite player moments from tonight's game and from the entire NBA season at..." I suppose Tyler's already been doing that, though. And there have already been Panini TV commercials before. Subject matter was a bit different, though.

[brothertona]

I put in $9, I'm up over $700. That's fun - if they ever fix the withdrawal system that's a Vitamix or a PS5. I still think the team is terrible. They can't handle the demand on the site, and the lack of regular pack drops has stifled a lot of the buzz. I could very well see the minute withdrawals become easy that a large percentage of the market disappears. I think the idea is great - I think the team that is working on this is really bad.

[Howie7107]

Originally Posted by brothertona

I put in $9, I'm up over $700. That's fun - if they ever fix the withdrawal system that's a Vitamix or a PS5. I still think the team is terrible. They can't handle the demand on the site, and the lack of regular pack drops has stifled a lot of the buzz. I could very well see the minute withdrawals become easy that a large percentage of the market disappears. I think the idea is great - I think the team that is working on this is really bad.

Totally agree. I said this all fairly early on and I think you’re spot on. Their team is a disaster and has executed an otherwise awesome idea just horridly. I just hope that this doesn’t leave lasting damage that hinders other Digital Collectibles projects in sports.

[Vinny1984]

Originally Posted by brothertona

I put in $9, I'm up over $700. That's fun - if they ever fix the withdrawal system that's a Vitamix or a PS5. I still think the team is terrible. They can't handle the demand on the site, and the lack of regular pack drops has stifled a lot of the buzz. I could very well see the minute withdrawals become easy that a large percentage of the market disappears. I think the idea is great - I think the team that is working on this is really bad.

I’ve been very critical of the team behind this and for good reason. To be fair, their website has gotten infinitely better. Really no 24/7 bugs anymore. Pack drops seem to be going in the right direction. BUT that $1k pack drop (that they clearly didn’t have a solid plan for) was a blatant money grab. That turned a lot of people off.

[jcardstore]

Digital collectibles will only become more popular as time goes on.